Darth Malak vs. Darth Sion

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Darth Malak vs. Darth Sion

Let us imagine that Darth Sion completed all his Sith training before the end of the Jedi Civil War and decided to challenge Malak for the reign of Dark Lord of the Sith, could he have done it?

Malak vs. Sion

Location: Aboard the Leviathan

Malak was the leader of the Sith for a reason. Probably because he's more powerful.

Yes, but Traya and her two apprentices weren't active in the Jedi Civil War, otherwise they would have likely challenged Malak.

Well, even if they had been active, I don't see Sion winning. Malak's pretty darn good.

He is immune to physical attacks and only through kreia is where sion died, remember? the exile Used dun moch to wear sion down?

First the ancient sith, then revan, then ragnos, then bane and now malak?

Pft

Sion died because the exile more likely persuaded him to do so, to give up and malak is a useless piece of shit

Originally posted by Kadesh
He is immune to physical attacks and only through kreia is where sion died, remember? the exile Used dun moch to wear sion down?

First the ancient sith, then revan, then ragnos, then bane and now malak?

Pft

Sion died because the exile more likely persuaded him to do so, to give up and malak is a useless piece of shit

Ahh, Kadesh, now I can't say it

Originally posted by Kadesh
He is immune to physical attacks and only through kreia is where sion died, remember? the exile Used dun moch to wear sion down?

First the ancient sith, then revan, then ragnos, then bane and now malak?

Pft

Sion died because the exile more likely persuaded him to do so, to give up and malak is a useless piece of shit

And what makes you think Malak couldn't do the same? You can wear Sion down by simply repeating "You suck" "Im stronger" "You'll never win" all stuff Malak can and does do in battle, plus we have the fact that he's an expert saber duelist, has remarkable physical power over Sion. Malak takes this, despite how much you want to underestimate him because of silly bias.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
And what makes you think Malak couldn't do the same?

Sion isn't some kind of weak willed fvck like people seem to think, the fact that his willpower had a large part in his uber physical invincibility technique speaks volumes. The only reason that The Exile did so well against him is because of her link to Traya - the one person Sion truly loved, and his only mental weakness; a weakness Malak will not be able to exploit.

You can wear Sion down by simply repeating "You suck" "Im stronger" "You'll never win" all stuff Malak can and does do in battle,

Right, sure thing.

plus we have the fact that he's an expert saber duelist, has remarkable physical power over Sion.

Not one bit of proof for this.

Malak takes this, despite how much you want to underestimate him because of silly bias.

Malak's very good, but he's not uber like Sion is. He can't physically harm Sion, and there's no proof that he's of such a degree of superiority (or superiority, alone) in the force that he'd be able to break down his force defences, with an attack such as force drain. Logic points to Sion taking this.

Sion isn'tt some kind of weak willed fvck like people seem to think, the fact that his willpower had a large part in his uber physical invincibility technique speaks volumes. The only reason that The Exile did so well against him is because of her link to Traya - the one person Sion truly loved, and his only mental weakness; a weakness Malak will not be able to exploit.

No as I said, play the scene on Trayus Academy again, you don't even have to mention Kreia at all one of the EXACT quotes:

"You can rise a hundred times Lord of Pain and I will keep striking you down."

You can keep saying phrases along those exact same lines, without mentioned Traya. Your wrong. Nobody said Sion was a weakling, I happen to think he's very strong and he's one my favorite characters in SW, regardless, Malak appears to be more powerful.

Right, sure thing.

Nice rebuttal.

Not one bit of proof for this.

Uh yeah there is: He has displayed powerful force techniques, he put your "force Juggernaut" Bastila is a stasis with a flick, put a whirlwind on Revan, used choke, lighting and tossed his saber at the same time to kill 2 Jedi. Has battle numerous Jedi(on Dantooine and during both wars) without the handicap Sion has. Sion holds him in awe, and really when Revan was a dark lord he was only a step below him.

Malak's very good, but he's not uber like Sion is. He can't physically harm Sion, and there's no proof that he's of such a degree of superiority (or superiority, alone) in the force that he'd be able to break down his force defences, with an attack such as force drain. Logic points to Sion taking this.

Sion isn';t uber. considering Malak has force drain too, and he has some other power that allows him to keep beings in a balance between life and death, Malaks force mastery is far superior to Sions.

No as I said, play the scene on Trayus Academy again, you don't even have to mention Kreia at all one of the EXACT quotes:

"You can rise a hundred times Lord of Pain and I will keep striking you down."

You can keep saying phrases along those exact same lines, without mentioned Traya. Your wrong. Nobody said Sion was a weakling, I happen to think he's very strong and he's one my favorite characters in SW, regardless, Malak appears to be more powerful.

Bullshit, whether you mention anything about Traya or not, that is still the reason that Sion takes such displeasure in being outclassed by the one person who Traya really loved (who also happened to be the one person Sion truly loved).

And seriously, don't be lying now, if Sion was truly one of your favorite characters, you would see his technique for what it truly is: uber. There's nothing that suggests that Malak was more powerful than Sion.

Nice rebuttal.

I covered everything in the post before, moron.

Uh yeah there is: He has displayed powerful force techniques, he put your "force Juggernaut" Bastila is a stasis with a flick, put a whirlwind on Revan, used choke, lighting and tossed his saber at the same time to kill 2 Jedi. Has battle numerous Jedi(on Dantooine and during both wars) without the handicap Sion has. Sion holds him in awe, and really when Revan was a dark lord he was only a step below him.

And that compares to Sion being able to make his body invincible, how?

Sion isn';t uber.

You don't consider being physically invincible uber? And he's one of your favorite characters? I don't even like him, and I can still see the feat for what it is.

and he has some other power that allows him to keep beings in a balance between life and death

Were you asleep during the final battle? It was the Kolto/Bacta tanks that were keeping the jedi in their state, not any of Malak's powers.

considering Malak has force drain too
Malaks force mastery is far superior to Sions.

Bullshit, no proof that he has superior force mastery to Sion, the same Sion that was able to hold his entire body together with the force, and make it physically invincible.

Bullshit, whether you mention anything about Traya or not, that is still the reason that Sion takes such displeasure in being outclassed by the one person who Traya really loved (who also happened to be the one person Sion truly loved).

It doesn't matter, Sion would take displeasure in CONSTANTLY being outclassed by anyone (and considering The Exile owned the shit out of him 5 times he's not that good with a saber) While certainly I helped that there was a connection but based on all logic anyone with high enough charisma, power could break him.

And seriously, don't be lying now, if Sion was truly one of your favorite characters, you would see his technique for what it truly is: uber. There's nothing that suggests that Malak was more powerful than Sion.

Why would I lie? Do I have to verbally fellate my said character to like them? (like you do with Bane) I infact don't like him for his power (while cool) its the character, and original personality that makes me like him.


I covered everything in the post before, moron.

You didn't prove a damn thing, sock.

And that compares to Sion being able to make his body invincible, how?

It doesn't and that little ability will save him from being mentally dominated?

You don't consider being physically invincible uber? And he's one of your favorite characters? I don't even like him, and I can still see the feat for what it is.

Addressed above, I could careless for the feat (!) shocker isn't it.

Were you asleep during the final battle? It was the Kolto/Bacta tanks that were keeping the jedi in their state, not any of Malak's powers.

Ah no, they weren't being held in any tank dip shit. Malak comments on how HE put them in a stasis between life and death and was using the SF to draw power from them, he planned on doing the same to Revan

Bullshit, no proof that he has superior force mastery to Sion, the same Sion that was able to hold his entire body together with the force, and make it physically invincible.

Will =/= Mastery, Raw power =/= Mastery, use your damn head for once.

Hey, Styles, ever gonna get on AIM again?

Originally posted by Kadesh
He is immune to physical attacks and only through kreia is where sion died, remember? the exile Used dun moch to wear sion down?

First the ancient sith, then revan, then ragnos, then bane and now malak?

Pft

Sion died because the exile more likely persuaded him to do so, to give up and malak is a useless piece of shit

ya don't need to kill him Sion's a ***** look at the deleted content here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_4r6GjgWDI now you name one of those force powers MAlak can't use.

Maybe later Ima bout to get offline in a second.

It doesn't matter, Sion would take displeasure in CONSTANTLY being outclassed by anyone (and considering The Exile owned the shit out of him 5 times he's not that good with a saber)

1. The Exile was incredible.
2. Sion was clearly not fighting to his best, given the whole Traya situation.
3. Malak's no Exile.
4. Getting outclassed by someone who has no mental dominance over him (not saying that he would get outclassed, just saying) would only fill him with more fury, and make him want to slaughter Malak.

While certainly I helped that there was a connection but based on all logic anyone with high enough charisma, power could break him.

'Cause Malak was so charismatic (you have the hots for Malak too?)...

Why would I lie? Do I have to verbally fellate my said character to like them? (like you do with Bane) I infact don't like him for his power (while cool) its the character, and original personality that makes me like him.

Sure you do, because he really is just that likeable. 🙄

It doesn't and that little ability will save him from being mentally dominated?

It won't, his will and incompetance on Malak's part will do that.

Ah no, they weren't being held in any tank dip shit.

Yes they were, watch it again.

Malak comments on how HE put them in a stasis between life and death and was using the SF to draw power from them, he planned on doing the same to Revan

That's a lie.

Will =/= Mastery, Raw power =/= Mastery, use your damn head for once.

So force mastery had nothing to do with him holding his entire body in such a way? Use your damn head, for once!! 😠

Sion can't die, so he wins by default. If he is able to die Malak may be able to take this, but I'm not certain.

Well if Malak can break his will to live and then kill him, he can win this.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Sion can't die, so he wins by default. If he is able to die Malak may be able to take this, but I'm not certain.

Something like that.

No offense, but some of you sound like retards.
I can't beleive this wasn't more obvious to you guys from the beggining.

Scion is a practioner of the Discipline of Pain.
He cannot die, unless he allows himself to.
If he and Malak fought, even If Malak were able to hit him, Scion would just keep coming at him until Malak wore himself down, and then Scion would just kill him.

Regaurdless, you should know even without his immortality, Scion would still be more powerful than Malak, and probally a better swordsman as well.
He would still win by just a little bit.

Scion wins this. Plain and simple. 🙄

Acstyles you cant simply beat up sion and repeat you suck or im bettr than you, the exile knew sions weakness and that is kreia, she kept telling sion picked exile oveer him time and again and thats what wore him down, So malak is going to have to tap into his mind to exploit his weakness, then malak will win

1. The Exile was incredible.

LOL!

2. Sion was clearly not fighting to his best, given the whole Traya situation.

Sure.

3. Malak's no Exile.

Your right he's better.

4. Getting outclassed by someone who has no mental dominance over him (not saying that he would get outclassed, just saying) would only fill him with more fury, and make him want to slaughter Malak.

A huh, and you can prove that how based on his psyche? Considering Sion tends to underrate himself and hero worship(he goes on about how great Malak was) I'd see him buckling under an assault by Malak.

'Cause Malak was so charismatic (you have the hots for Malak too?)...

Enough of it to say "Sion you dumbass you suck" which would be all he'd need. Im not saying Malak wasn't a bit of idiot but he's still very skilled regardless of his intelligence level.

Sure you do, because he really is just that likeable. 🙄

Well considering I'm talking to a child who only knowledge of character depth is "OMFG he nudged a moon!!!!" Sion is one of the deepest characters in Star Wars, something I appreciate MUCH more over "OMG random uber feat #10" and anyways I don't have to justify shit too you.

It won't, his will and incompetance on Malak's part will do that.

Ahuh.

Yes they were, watch it again.

No they weren't YOU play it again. And every secondary source makes NO mention of a tank, it only says they were held captive.

That's a lie.

Thats very funny coming from YOU. I'd recommend you play the game again.

So force mastery had nothing to do with him holding his entire body in such a way? Use your damn head, for once!! 😠

No, it was his WILL POWER, his sheer hate. Thats it. Its stated MULTIPLE times in the game by Kreia and himself.