Honestly, what do people have against Hillary?

Originally posted by PVS
i dislike her and her husband because they put their own careers above the good of the american people, and by blindly cheerleading bush's war: even american/iraqi lives. now she'll squawk and yell but ultimately the theme of any opposition will be 'flip flop' and unlike with john kerry the accusation will be well founded with her. every shift she has made politically has been timed with trend and not with reason. thats how i see it. however i would vote for her over saint mccain.

Damn, if you had said "hate" instead of "dislike", you would have "pwned" yourself with that reply and I would have been happy to point it out with a silly picture.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, the Democratic party will be spilt between Hillary and Obama? Then the Republicans will win. 🙁

Originally posted by Soleran
You tell me, you seem to flow with the "left wing" mentality.

Originally posted by Strangelove
. George Soros and Bill Gates. Both billionaires that have donated untold amount of money to help those in need. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's impossible

I get it, thats why I said they used their political station to acquire the wealth.

Anyway I'm not fond of the Clintons nor any politician really and PVS did a good job of summing it up in regards to the Clintons.

Originally posted by Soleran
I get it, thats why I said they used their political station to acquire the wealth.

Anyway I'm not fond of the Clintons nor any politician really and PVS did a good job of summing it up in regards to the Clintons.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Balanced the federal budget and created an economic surplus that was supposed to last for a decade until Bush squandered it; Opened up trade borders in North America. Ended the violence is Bosnia and Kosovo....he was pretty damn good

Yes, Strange he did some pretty good things.
But, the crap now....

Don't go telling me he has the capability of ending the fiasco known as Iraq. He fudged up taking out Osama anyway when the chance was there. 9/11 would not have happened under Bush's watch had Clinton done his job.

And it was his economics that plunged us into the recession of the early 2000s. ...leading to the outsourcing of thousands of Americam jobs overseas. ...such a crock that Bush gets blamed for that all the time.

Yes recessions are cyclical and enigmatic in themselves, but his economic philosophy helped contribute to that.

Yes, Bush is an idiot. You will never hear me argue/debate for him being a good president while in office. The sum of his years will be terrible, despite his first 3 being somewhat good. However, Clinton was no great one either.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Yes, Strange he did some pretty good things.
But, the crap now....

Don't go telling me he has the capability of ending the fiasco known as Iraq. He fudged up taking out Osama anyway when the chance was there. 9/11 would not have happened under Bush's watch had Clinton done his job.

And it was his economics that plunged us into the recession of the early 2000s. ...leading to the outsourcing of thousands of Americam jobs overseas. ...such a crock that Bush gets blamed for that all the time.

Yes recessions are cyclical and enigmatic in themselves, but his economic philosophy helped contribute to that.

Yes, Bush is an idiot. You will never hear me argue/debate for him being a good president while in office. The sum of his years will be terrible, despite his first 3 being somewhat good. However, Clinton was no great one either.

^^^^adding to that, it's reasonable to say that the balanced budget and surplus that Clinton did enjoy before the recession he caused led to outsourcing...... was due to Reganomics working properly and taking effect.

Clinton just inherited it and America enjoyed a prosperous time because of what Ronald Regan put into motion years earlier.

I've often wondered why a Republican can still vote for a Democrat, but it is literally inconceivable for Democrat to vote for a Republican.

...just baffles the %$^# out of me.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Yes, Strange he did some pretty good things.
But, the crap now....

Don't go telling me he has the capability of ending the fiasco known as Iraq. He fudged up taking out Osama anyway when the chance was there. 9/11 would not have happened under Bush's watch had Clinton done his job.

And that's bullshit right-wing propaganda that says Clinton had the chance to stop Osama but didn't. Complete lie. Bush had a much more clear opportunity to stop 9/11 (PDB "Osama bin Laden determined to attack within United States", anyone?)

And it was his economics that plunged us into the recession of the early 2000s. ...leading to the outsourcing of thousands of Americam jobs overseas. ...such a crock that Bush gets blamed for that all the time.

Yes recessions are cyclical and enigmatic in themselves, but his economic philosophy helped contribute to that.

Yes, Bush is an idiot. You will never hear me argue/debate for him being a good president while in office. The sum of his years will be terrible, despite his first 3 being somewhat good. However, Clinton was no great one either.

And Clinton was a great president.

Originally posted by BobbyD
I've often wondered why a Republican can still vote for a Democrat, but it is literally inconceivable for Democrat to vote for a Republican.

...just baffles the %$^# out of me.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
^^^^adding to that, it's reasonable to say that the balanced budget and surplus that Clinton did enjoy before the recession he caused led to outsourcing...... was due to Reganomics working properly and taking effect.

Clinton just inherited it and America enjoyed a prosperous time because of what Ronald Regan put into motion years earlier.

Originally posted by Strangelove
.....And Clinton was a great president.

I'll have what he's having.

Originally posted by Strangelove
It's called a Reagan Democrat. In 1984 Reagan carried every state except Minnesota and D.C. because he had such a huge Democratic backing.

Okay, Strangelove. ....by your responses, you reek of left wingedness so much I can hardly breathe. But, it is obvious that you know your politics, even if you and I must agree to disagree on some things.

Anyway here's your test: given the choice between a Democratic candidate for president who stinks (by YOUR standards), and a Republican one who clearly (for whatever reason YOU think so) is the better choice, who would you vote for?

*drum roll please*

Originally posted by Strangelove
You know why a lot of people hate her? Her husband.

In a recent poll Bill had a positive perception rating far beyond any other political figure, only behind Laura Bush.

Originally posted by Strangelove
It's called a Reagan Democrat. In 1984 Reagan carried every state except Minnesota and D.C. because he had such a huge Democratic backing.

No, its because he won a plurality in each state. That means he got at least 49 more votes than Mondale.

See: US' disporportional electoral system.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Okay, Strangelove. ....by your responses, you reek of left wingedness so much I can hardly breathe.

What sort of stupid assessment is that?

Originally posted by Alliance
No, its because he won a plurality in each state. That means he got at least 49 more votes than Mondale.

See: US' disporportional electoral system.

What sort of stupid assessment is that?

😂

Shuush.

🙂

Originally posted by Alliance
Really, all I hear is constant b*tching about how nobody like Hillary Rodham Clinton.

What's the reason for this? It makes no sense to me.

It really doesn't matter. People need to take control of their own lives and not put a single person up on a pedastal and depend soley on them to justify if the state of the nation is in good or bad shape. Whoever the President is, whatever laws are passed, taxes cut, this and that, nothing will change if we as individuals don't take control and meet the responsibilities that are ours and no one elses. If you have a kid, be a parent. If you need money, get a job. If you pay too much for gas, get a bike. If you don't like your weight, excercise. If you are lonely, go make friends. Nick Nolte would be just as good a president as Hillary Clinton, because it just doesn't matter in my book.

I highly doubt that. The President is not Democracy, but he is the face of democracy and has considerable inpact on policy, which over time, creates the nation and, through its people, its democracy.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Okay, Strangelove. ....by your responses, you reek of left wingedness so much I can hardly breathe. But, it is obvious that you know your politics, even if you and I must agree to disagree on some things.

Anyway here's your test: given the choice between a Democratic candidate for president who stinks (by YOUR standards), and a Republican one who clearly (for whatever reason YOU think so) is the better choice, who would you vote for?

*drum roll please*

Originally posted by Alliance
No, its because he won a plurality in each state. That means he got at least 49 more votes than Mondale.

See: US' disporportional electoral system.

Originally posted by Alliance
I highly doubt that. The President is not Democracy, but he is the face of democracy and has considerable inpact on policy, which over time, creates the nation and, through its people, its democracy.

Look, all I'm saying is that we don't really need a President.