Originally posted by celestialdemon
Not necessarily. He was able to telepathically keep Jean, Quicksilver, and Wanda frozen in place while motivating the mutates on Genosha to start killing people. While he was doing that, he still withstood a direct psychic assault from Xavier.
That was PIS. The issue stated that Xavier was the most powerful telepath on the planet. The whole issue was PIS. Exodus was not given enough power to be able to stand up against that character lineup. Strategic powerful characters were written down in that arc. Its no different from Magneto taking on the entire X-Men team when you have members on the team who are strong enough to challenge him one-on-one and overpower him. PIS of the highest order.
X-Men lose this. None of them have anything that to combat her TK, flight or speed. All she has to do is grab them all with her TK, fly them to space and leave them there. She can also turn off access to their powers. That's the problem with high level TPs fight mutants...Or she could turn them all into turtles...
Originally posted by Rutog98
That was PIS. The issue stated that Xavier was the most powerful telepath on the planet. The whole issue was PIS. Exodus was not given enough power to be able to stand up against that character lineup. Strategic powerful characters were written down in that arc. Its no different from Magneto taking on the entire X-Men team when you have members on the team who are strong enough to challenge him one-on-one and overpower him. PIS of the highest order.
Xavier has always been regarded as the most powerful telepath on the planet. That moniker will never go away even when more powerful people appear (Nate Grey, Legion). It's not PIS. Exodus is just that powerful. That's why Fabien Cortez and even Magneto (in AoA) were afraid of his powers.
Magneto has regularly owned the X-Men. It's not PIS if it always happens. PIS is Kazaar defeating Thanos.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Xavier has always been regarded as the most powerful telepath on the planet. That moniker will never go away even when more powerful people appear (Nate Grey, Legion). It's not PIS. Exodus is just that powerful. That's why Fabien Cortez and even Magneto (in AoA) were afraid of his powers.Magneto has regularly owned the X-Men. It's not PIS if it always happens. PIS is Kazaar defeating Thanos.
Its PIS with Magneto because characters like Storm are never given their full range of power and are consistently written weaker in Magneto arcs while they display power levels higher than Magneto in other stories where he is not involved.
Magneto even killed Apacolypse in AOA. There was no way he could do this given Poccy's powers. How can he tear Poccy apart when the guy can absorb and rechannel energy directed against him via Bishop and he has control over his body at the atomic level? Total PIS.
MAgneto has gained a reputation for this. Whenever he goes up against characters or odds that are beyond him, they are always written down. This was really the case in the 90s.
If Exodus were really that powerful, why didn't Sersi use her transmutation power against him? Why was that power forgotten in that fight? Why weren't Storm's powers more powerful? She displayed much higher power levels than she did in that issue. Heck, in an Averger story after this arc, War MAchine was scolded for allowing Exodus' words to get to him prior to their battle. IIRC, it was stated that War Machine probably should have been able to take Exodus by himself had he kept it together mentally and spiritually. This Exodus thing was craptastic. An entertaining plot, but horrible showing for some of the heroes.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Its PIS with Magneto because characters like Storm are never given their full range of power and are consistently written weaker in Magneto arcs while they display power levels higher than Magneto in other stories where he is not involved.Magneto even killed Apacolypse in AOA. There was no way he could do this given Poccy's powers. How can he tear Poccy apart when the guy can absorb and rechannel energy directed against him via Bishop and he has control over his body at the atomic level? Total PIS.
MAgneto has gained a reputation for this. Whenever he goes up against characters or odds that are beyond him, they are always written down. This was really the case in the 90s.
You're talking about Magneto's battles being PIS when he has years of support for how powerful he's been. Yet, you are inflating Storm's power level, claiming she can beat people she normally wouldn't have a chance against? Seems a little biased to me.
However, I will agree that Magneto tearing Apocalypse apart is PIS. Could Magneto beat Apocalypse? I think so, but not like that.
Originally posted by Rutog98
If Exodus were really that powerful, why didn't Sersi use her transmutation power against him? Why was that power forgotten in that fight? Why weren't Storm's powers more powerful? She displayed much higher power levels than she did in that issue. Heck, in an Averger story after this arc, War MAchine was scolded for allowing Exodus' words to get to him prior to their battle. IIRC, it was stated that War Machine probably should have been able to take Exodus by himself had he kept it together mentally and spiritually. This Exodus thing was craptastic. An entertaining plot, but horrible showing for some of the heroes.
I don't believe Sersi ever tried her transmutation power against him. She attacked him once, he got up and used his psychic power against her. She was shocked by his power, but from then on she fought him psychically. Had she used her other powers, she probably would have beat him. But she chose not to. Since she was holding her own against him, that proves how powerful a psychic she is and how Emma couldn't take her.
War Machine couldn't beat Exodus. He hit Exodus several times, and it did nothing to him. Rodney was scolded for letting Exodus get under his skin. That's it. He couldn't have beaten Exodus.
Magneto doesn't use all of his powers in battle either: no one does. That doesn't really make much of a difference. Magneto is certainly one of the most powerful mutants in existence: that's never been in dispute. PIS happens to every character. His showings over the years, however have been fairly consistent in that the X-Men can usually thwart his plans, but never truly defeat him.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Magneto doesn't use all of his powers in battle either: no one does. That doesn't really make much of a difference. Magneto is certainly one of the most powerful mutants in existence: that's never been in dispute. PIS happens to every character. His showings over the years, however have been fairly consistent in that the X-Men can usually thwart his plans, but never truly defeat him.
Magneto is an amazingly powerful character - and that's considering he's only an alpha-level mutant.
His control of his abilities and experience with his power allows him to take on herald-level beings and hold his own. Most alphas would get crushed. Gotta give him his props.
Edit: I know, I know I mentioned Alpha level blah blah blah.....people hate that so I expect to get flamed