Originally posted by Mr Master
Manifest actually.Abraxas is always alive, but he's imprisoned within Multi-Eternity until Galactus is returned to his Natural State (that of a Star) or in laymens terms "Dies" ...
Still,
once set free NOTHING can stop Abraxas except for the Ultimate Nullifier.
how far would you go with that nothing statement ??? when you say nothing, I am thinking of some very powerfull cosmic entities that i think could take him down. 🙄
Originally posted by Utrigita
how far would you go with that nothing statement ??? when you say nothing, I am thinking of some very powerfull cosmic entities that i think could take him down.
Well the Ultimate Nullifier had to erase then create a New Multiverse in order to banish Abraxas back into Multi-Eternity.
Now who are your "powerful cosmic entities" that can ERASE a Multiverse?
Originally posted by guy222
do u think roma is as powerful as living tribunal
I'm not really sure where the heck Roma stacks up in the Hierarchy concerning the Power department.
I know Roma in terms of Role and Authority is as high as they come, definitely equal to the Living Tribunal.
But Marvel seems to leave her in obscurity when displaying her power.
She has control over Time and can alter the Past with a thought.
She apparently is always manipulating the events of the Omniverse.
Abraxas killed her but then again Merlin FAKED his own death, according to the bio it's possible Roma did the same thing, in order to test the whole situation, see how it turns out on it's own.
But she manipulated that event too, because Roma had nurtured and kept safe Valeria Doom specifically for this time of Abraxas, so that Valeria and Franklin could resurrect Galactus in the end.
One of Roma's best showings is when Merlin (Her Father) and herself are playing a game of Chess, and the Chess Board is the prime Marvel Multiverse, and the pieces on the board represent Universes.
They also had other Multiverses floating around them.
the Brothers, Living Tribunal can exterminate a univers with a blink of his eyes, so i think he will take down abraxas, this isn't the omnivers pale, pre recon beyonder could also do it, and the MM who fought against the beyonder in secret wars 2, do I need to continue.
And no guy222 I don't think so
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not really sure where the heck Roma stacks up in the Hierarchy concerning the Power department.I know Roma in terms of Role and Authority is as high as they come, definitely equal to the Living Tribunal.
But Marvel seems to leave her in obscurity when displaying her power.
She has controlled over Time and can alter the Past with a thought.
She apparently is always manipulating the events of the Omniverse.
One of Roma's best showings is when Merlin (Her Father) and herself are playing a game of Chess, and the Chess Board is the prime Marvel Multiverse, and the pieces on the board represent Universes.
They also had other Multiverses floating around them.
very well said
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Originally posted by Utrigita
the Brothers, Living Tribunal can exterminate a univers with a blink of his eyes, so i think he will take down abraxas, this isn't the omnivers pale, pre recon beyonder could also do it, and the MM who fought against the beyonder in secret wars 2, do I need to continue.And no guy222 I don't think so
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truelivingtribunal>truebeyonders>moleculeman=beyonder 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
the Brothers, Living Tribunal can exterminate a univers with a blink of his eyes, so i think he will take down abraxas, this isn't the omnivers pale, pre recon beyonder could also do it, and the MM who fought against the beyonder in secret wars 2, do I need to continue.And no guy222 I don't think so
I wasn't considering PRE-Retcon characters.
I'm sure LT can vaporize Abraxas but like I explained before, it will NEVER happen in Comics.
The Brothers, who are Two Megaverses, are above Abraxas I would guess, but then again, who knows.
Multi-Eternity is FAR bigger than Abraxas and it could do nothing to him.
Why would the Brothers be able to, if they are just MORE of the Same stuff?
Originally posted by Mr Master
I wasn't considering PRE-Retcon characters.I'm sure LT can vaporize Abraxas but like I explained before, it will NEVER happen in Comics.
The Brothers, who are Two Megaverses, are above Abraxas I would guess, but then again, who knows.
Multi-Eternity is FAR bigger than Abraxas and it could do nothing to him.
Why would the Brothers be able to, if they are just MORE of the Same stuff?
you question was regarding who would be capable of destroying a multiverse, I have just listed a number of beings that I think i capable of pulling that show off.
And the brothers was in the beginning believed to be the Presence and TOAA but that was later changed if I remember correctly. But still would be capable of vaporizing Abraxas seeing how spectre and LT fought against them, And again multieternity I am not sure about didn't even list him.
Originally posted by Utrigita
you question was regarding who would be capable of destroying a multiverse, I have just listed a number of beings that I think i capable of pulling that show off.And the brothers was in the beginning believed to be the Presence and TOAA but that was later changed if I remember correctly. But still would be capable of vaporizing Abraxas seeing how spectre and LT fought against them, And again multieternity I am not sure about didn't even list him.
what's multi eternity
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Multiverse ...Eternity is One Universe.
Multi-Eternity is an Infinite amount of Universes rolled into One.
"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS Universe, a MULTI-ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS MULTI-VERSE"
good evening
thanks for the tip
i have wondered what's multi eternity for a while
LT snaps, Abraxas goes away.
Hell there is no proof that Abraxas was only capable of being erased by just the UN.
Just a couple statements being interpeted into the UN only being able to do it.
Now, why the UN you ask? What other weapon could the Four have used to take out Abraxas? Nothing on hand.
Was there really any proof that Abraxas was more powerful than even 616 Galatcus? Not really.
Anyway team one, easily.
Originally posted by bigbran
LT snaps, Abraxas goes away.
In a versus thread it's plausible, in Comics, it's impossible.
LT can't interfere with any of Abstract's Conceptual Funtion.
Abraxas is the embodiment of destruction, and as such can collapse ALL the Universes in Marvel and LT wouldn't be able to do squat
Originally posted by bigbran
Hell there is no proof that Abraxas was only capable of being erased by just the UN.
Just a couple statements being interpeted into the UN only being able to do it.
The ONLY way to Banish Abraxas was to Erase and Create a NEW Multi-verse in which Abraxas never manifested in.
Here Roma says it:
"It will be a WEAPON of UNIMAGINABLE POWER that will WIN this DAY"
Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:
"But THIS Time, THIS Day can END ONLY ONE WAY"
Reed says, "Yes.... God help me, I can see that now"
Here when Reed uses the UN, Abaxas and Reed say to each other:
Abraxas says, "Put it down Richards, you have no idea"
Reed says, "Actually Abraxas I do, You NEVER INTENDED to FIRE the Nullifier for the very same Reason I MUST"
So you see, it's quite clear that Abraxas himself KNEW, the ONLY possible way to get rid of him, (even if he used it himself), was with the Ultimate Nullifier.
Originally posted by bigbran
Now, why the UN you ask? What other weapon could the Four have used to take out Abraxas? Nothing on hand.
Interesting,
Roma was helping the FF4 and she has her Celestial Nullifier on hand all the time, it can ERASE ANY Universe in the Omniverse:
"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"
And evidently this wasn't enough, but then again we should know this because On Panel it was suggested several times ONLY the UN was capable of defeating Abraxas.
Originally posted by bigbran
Was there really any proof that Abraxas was more powerful than even 616 Galatcus? Not really.
Roma flat out says,
"If we don't act soon ALL of TIME (the Multi-verse) will be LOST to us" (with a Statue of Abraxas in her hands)
right after Franklin says,
"Roma, she's gonna HELP us fight the Dark Man" (Abraxas)
Is she not saying that Abraxas will destroy the Multi-verse in other words?
IMAGINE a World WHERE: (in other Universes)
IMAGINE a World WHERE: (in other Universes)
From the WRITER'S own Words:
"IMAGINE EACH of those Worlds (other Universes) like Sand in an Hourglass, an Hourglass which ABRAXAS WILL SHATTER"
"Roma, she's gonna HELP us fight the Dark Man"
"And if we don't act SOON, ALL of TIME will be LOST to us"
Because of WHO?
Because of the "Dark Man" (Abraxas)
Abraxas>any Galactus
Originally posted by bigbran
Anyway team one, easily.
I'll agree.
Originally posted by Utrigita
But if Abraxas>any Galactus then why was galactus the seemingly only being that was capable of taking the UN from Abraxas, and if FF thought that galactus wouldn't be capable of doing anything then why bother to resurrect him? just interest.
abraxas, i believed used the un
it took two celestials to revive g
i remember g was afraid of the un way back when
i smell a retcon
Originally posted by Utrigita
Reviving people isn't so difficult and remember that they completely burned out there powers, and when did Abraxas use the UN, and of cause he was afraid wouldn't you be afraid of a thing that can easily kill you?
abraxas used the un to kill other galacti, not 616 galactus
imo, without the un, he probably wouldn't have killed roma last point regarding franklin and valeria who help remake galactus, they are brother and sister and they are also celestials i didn't see anyone else reform big g
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