Originally posted by spidey-dude
splinter found them as babies at the same time and age before the ooze so there all the same age
Well I have an old ass issue of a turtles comic. It states that Leo is the oldest. It also states it in the 4 player arcade version that he is the oldest. You could probably reasearch this anyway on the net.
Originally posted by python99like i sad before that splinter found them at the same time as babies. yes leonardo can be the oldest from being born 2 mins earlier 😄
Well I have an old ass issue of a turtles comic. It states that Leo is the oldest. It also states it in the 4 player arcade version that he is the oldest. You could probably reasearch this anyway on the net.
Leo would easily win this...Though Mikey would be the he'd have to fight since Mikey is the second best fighter. Donny is the worst and hates fighting, and Raph is a brawler. Mikey can beat both of them. Leo is just more serious at the style and Mikey isn't. Leo also can't be easily tricked as Raph so Mikey isn't winning against Leo.
Originally posted by Kento
Leo would easily win this...Though Mikey would be the he'd have to fight since Mikey is the second best fighter. Donny is the worst and hates fighting, and Raph is a brawler. Mikey can beat both of them. Leo is just more serious at the style and Mikey isn't. Leo also can't be easily tricked as Raph so Mikey isn't winning against Leo.
no one would win easily, thats for sure
Hmmm interesting. I was reading up on them on Wiki, and found that in the Comics, Mikey actually won a tournament that made him the greatest fighter in the (galaxy?).
As the Turtles personalities have been already discussed, let me talk about the weapons. In national geographic's fight science, they discussed the weapons based on three different criteria:
Range
Control
Striking ability
Bo Staff:
While the Bo staff topped the charts (of the weapons being discussed in THIS fight) with range and control it lacked in striking ability slightly. However, its speed was incredible (since one side of the bo leads to the other) and is MY personal favorite
Sai
While the Sai's were not talked about I can estimate that control would be great, and striking force would be meduim range (sticking things can be deadly, but in pure force it lacks compared to the others). Range would suck. But the tactical advantage the three prongs provide could turn the tide in any battle
Nunchucks
Fastest of the bunch here, its range was minimal, its control lacking (since when using it there is always a split second where you do not control it). Its striking ability was not that great, but the speed made up for it. Using it as a grabbing tool could be useful as well.
Katana:
According to them, it was the greatest of the weapons. It had the best mix of everything, in range, control, and striking force (providing both sticking ability to go through the body and a full body slash).
I would personally use a Bo Staff but that is just preference, and all weapons can be effective it just depends on the skill level.
That all being said, I think that Leo would win. While ralph can take more of a beating, and Mikey has more potential, and Don could possibly outsmart him, in battle Leo is better skilled so does not need to take as much of a beating like Ralph, REALIZED his potential unlike Mike, and is TACTICALLY smarter than Don. With all this said Leo wins
Contrary to what has been stated, a bo is nothing like an axe. An axe is built for heavy striking, as is meant to maim or kill with a single hit, while a bo is mainly defensive, and relies on range and combinations for offense. An axe works more like a scythe, but with less range. certain martial arts use staffs as well these days. Dragon uses a long ten-foot pole controlled at the waist, while Kali sticks is a martial art from Phillipines that uses dual short staffs like nunchucks.
Katanas were considered the best partially due to the eminence of Hanzo and the rest of the samurai, and the historical battles and so on. I do not think they are taken to be the best these days, however.
Nunchucks. Ah, memories of Bruce Lee there. And yes, they lack range, but make up with it in speed and grappling ability. The one ecletic yet standout weapon for feudal Japan was the kusari-gama, basically built like nunchucks, but with one end weighted and with a kama attached to the other side. The Kama is the japanese sickle, and in this weapon could even be abbreviated to a normal blade. Users combine defense with tangling ability and the chains, as well as offense from flicking the bladed side forward like a cobra would strike, and it also has use as a makeshift garotte for strangling purposes. Nunchucks use concussive force, while kusari-gamas use twirling and flicking motions. The difference is clear.
The sais are actually defensive weapons. Don't confuse Elektra's use for traditional sai usage. The jitte, a sai variant, was actually crafted to defend against swords, and they were very effective. Sais defend by tangling weapons, and attack by moving into close quarters where ranged weapons fail. Very useful weapons indeed.
Staying on Topic, Raph and Leo are going to be the last two standing, and Raph's sais give him an advantage against Leo. By the way, katanas were not meant to be used as a pair, due to balance issues. Raph should take that with his weapons.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Contrary to what has been stated, a bo is nothing like an axe. An axe is built for heavy striking, as is meant to maim or kill with a single hit, while a bo is mainly defensive, and relies on range and combinations for offense. An axe works more like a scythe, but with less range. certain martial arts use staffs as well these days. Dragon uses a long ten-foot pole controlled at the waist, while Kali sticks is a martial art from Phillipines that uses dual short staffs like nunchucks.Katanas were considered the best partially due to the eminence of Hanzo and the rest of the samurai, and the historical battles and so on. I do not think they are taken to be the best these days, however.
Nunchucks. Ah, memories of Bruce Lee there. And yes, they lack range, but make up with it in speed and grappling ability. The one ecletic yet standout weapon for feudal Japan was the kusari-gama, basically built like nunchucks, but with one end weighted and with a kama attached to the other side. The Kama is the japanese sickle, and in this weapon could even be abbreviated to a normal blade. Users combine defense with tangling ability and the chains, as well as offense from flicking the bladed side forward like a cobra would strike, and it also has use as a makeshift garotte for strangling purposes. Nunchucks use concussive force, while kusari-gamas use twirling and flicking motions. The difference is clear.
The sais are actually defensive weapons. Don't confuse Elektra's use for traditional sai usage. The jitte, a sai variant, was actually crafted to defend against swords, and they were very effective. Sais defend by tangling weapons, and attack by moving into close quarters where ranged weapons fail. Very useful weapons indeed.
Staying on Topic, Raph and Leo are going to be the last two standing, and Raph's sais give him an advantage against Leo. By the way, katanas were not meant to be used as a pair, due to balance issues. Raph should take that with his weapons.
thats what i was saying sai´s are prepared to fight against katanas, to lock the katana between them and strike. of course eventually the winner is the one who uses better his weapon.
Someone said i think leo had an avantage because he uses 2 swords, thats not exatcly true, it dependes on the style, someone qith only one katanna can have a better change (remembering kenshin talking about this now lol).
and by the way i also love the bo staff its a great weapon.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hmmm interesting. I was reading up on them on Wiki, and found that in the Comics, Mikey actually won a tournament that made him the greatest fighter in the (galaxy?).
yes,, you're reffering to the battle nexus tournement....
previous winners to this tournement included splinter himself as well as the shredder....
however, when mikey won, it was through use of plot device, leonardo was prematurely taken out of the tournment when he was nailed with a poisoned dart.
My brilliant mind just produced a brilliant idea!
Maybe there is a rock scissors paper phenomenon here, as in each turtle can overcome another turtle but will have weaknesses to a different turtle.
Leo > Don but Raphael > Leo
Raphael > Leo but Michaelangelo > Raphael
Michaelangelo > Raphael but Don > Michaelangelo
Don > Michaelangelo but Leo > Don
Originally posted by Loot
thats what i was saying sai´s are prepared to fight against katanas, to lock the katana between them and strike. of course eventually the winner is the one who uses better his weapon.
Someone said i think leo had an avantage because he uses 2 swords, thats not exatcly true, it dependes on the style, someone qith only one katanna can have a better change (remembering kenshin talking about this now lol).and by the way i also love the bo staff its a great weapon.
Two swords does not equal any form of advantage. Balance is often awkward, and so is conpensation and defense.
And yes, sais were indeed meant to be defensive weapons. Damn you, Elektra.
"My brilliant mind just produced a brilliant idea!
Maybe there is a rock scissors paper phenomenon here, as in each turtle can overcome another turtle but will have weaknesses to a different turtle.
Leo > Don but Raphael > Leo
Raphael > Leo but Michaelangelo > Raphael
Michaelangelo > Raphael but Don > Michaelangelo
Don > Michaelangelo but Leo > Don"
If this is considered brilliant I shudder to think of waht happens when you have one of your intellectually "off" days.