Originally posted by BackFire
Thought it was already established that polls of 3 months ago are worthless to today. You admitted as such, so stop backtracking and referencing polls that are ancient news. Unless you have a poll from today showing that, it's pointless.
1) One month old poll, not 3 month old.
2.) I didn't "admit it was pointless", I just said that things could change and it should be taken with a grain of salt.
3.) True, it's not from this morning, but it's relevant because you seem to think that it's some sort of "lock" for Obama if he has Hillary as VP and I'm sure that the voters polled in New York would disagree with you. In fact, he does worse with her.
But no matter. You're so sure that Obama will be president so you have nothing to worry about, right?
Right?
I don't think it's a lock. Never said that. Simply that Obama has his best shot of winning with Hillary on the ticket.
One month old might as well be a year old. That poll is worthless today since it doesn't show what would happen today. And today's poll would be worthless because it isn't indicative of what will happen in November; and that's all that matters. In short, daily polls are a poor source for anything. All they show is how (a few) people feel that day and nothing more.
Yes, I'm confident that Obama will win. Doesn't mean I can't retort BS when I see it.
Also, Rice has more or less been written off as a running mate for McCain. She's not likely at all.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
1) One month old poll, not 3 month old.2.) I didn't "admit it was pointless", I just said that things could change and it should be taken with a grain of salt.
3.) True, it's not from this morning, but it's relevant because you seem to think that it's some sort of "lock" for Obama if he has Hillary as VP and I'm sure that the voters polled in New York would disagree with you. In fact, he does worse with her.
But no matter. You're so sure that Obama will be president so you have nothing to worry about, right?
Right?
cbs polls T-O-D-A-Y
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/may08b-GENERALELECTION.pdf
if you have nothing to add besides "obama wont win" and outdated and meaningless polls, perhaps you should stay out of this discussion.
...and btw everything you say, ever, is taken with a grain of salt by everyone here, so don't sweat it.
Originally posted by SchecterThat adds up to 99%
cbs polls T-O-D-A-Yhttp://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/may08b-GENERALELECTION.pdf
if you have nothing to add besides "obama wont win" and outdated and meaningless polls, perhaps you should stay out of this discussion.
...and btw everything you say, ever, is taken with a grain of salt by everyone here, so don't sweat it.
Originally posted by SchecterThe same poll had Clinton leading 50-41-6
cbs polls T-O-D-A-Yhttp://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/may08b-GENERALELECTION.pdf
if you have nothing to add besides "obama wont win" and outdated and meaningless polls, perhaps you should stay out of this discussion.
...and btw everything you say, ever, is taken with a grain of salt by everyone here, so don't sweat it.
Democratic primary voters want Obama to pick Clinton as his running mate 59-35
Originally posted by Schecterseems like a relatively low-budget ad to be produced by the DNC.
YouTube video
Originally posted by Schecter
cbs polls T-O-D-A-Yhttp://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/may08b-GENERALELECTION.pdf
if you have nothing to add besides "obama wont win" and outdated and meaningless polls, perhaps you should stay out of this discussion.
...and btw everything you say, ever, is taken with a grain of salt by everyone here, so don't sweat it.
That's a good poll. Note the 6% undecided. Let's say "theoretically" that they voted for McCain, then you'd have a tie. It's still close at this point.
Also, it's among registered voters. Many more people may register in the fall and vote than have been accounted for.
Particularly millions of young 18-25 year olds who are fed up with the status quo....of liberalism! Yup, I'm talking about the Christian youth, and there are millions of them.
We're at the point where some churches have 5,000 or 2,000 on fire young people in ONE CHURCH! Imagine those numbers across the country and then imagine them being given a real picture of what an Obama America will look like and what a McCain America will look like.
Of course there's the other end of that coin, the young liberal voters who watch the Daily Show, think Keith Olberman is a source of great wisdom and rock out to Eminem's "Mosh" while watching Fahrenheit 911. They may come out in force this time, unlike 2004 when Diddy wanted them to "vote or die".
All I'm saying is that at this point, it's still close and while Obama is the favorite, some people and polls aren't quite ready to just concede everything to the lawyer from Chicago who has no experience on the world stage. And is a raging liberal to boot.
Originally posted by Schecter
YouTube video
Seemed like a lot of out of context video clips to me.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
That's a good poll. Note the 6% undecided. Let's say "theoretically" that they voted for McCain, then you'd have a tie. It's still close at this point.Also, it's among registered voters. Many more people may register in the fall and vote than have been accounted for.
Particularly millions of young 18-25 year olds who are fed up with the status quo....of liberalism! Yup, I'm talking about the Christian youth, and there are millions of them.
We're at the point where some churches have 5,000 or 2,000 on fire young people in ONE CHURCH! Imagine those numbers across the country and then imagine them being given a real picture of what an Obama America will look like and what a McCain America will look like.
Of course there's the other end of that coin, the young liberal voters who watch the Daily Show, think Keith Olberman is a source of great wisdom and rock out to Eminem's "Mosh" while watching Fahrenheit 911. They may come out in force this time, unlike 2004 when Diddy wanted them to "vote or die".
All I'm saying is that at this point, it's still close and while Obama is the favorite, some people and polls aren't quite ready to just concede everything to the lawyer from Chicago who has no experience on the world stage. And is a raging liberal to boot.
You idea that the young evangelicals will make the difference for McCain is incorrect.
I am finding that the young evenagelical adults (not youth 😛) that you are referring to are some of the most ingnorant and most uneducated voters. The only people to beat them on pure ignorance is the backwords rednecks.
I have stated before that I don't like ignorant voters to vote. America would be better without the majority of those young people voting.
Of coures, I'm generalizing, but you know better than I do that those young people don't know jack diddly a lot of the time. (I also work with the "youth" in my Church.)
Originally posted by dadudemonWhich part of "No one supports president Bush more than me." is out of context?
Seemed like a lot of out of context video clips to me.You idea that the young evangelicals will make the difference for McCain is incorrect.
I am finding that the young evenagelical adults (not youth 😛) that you are referring to are some of the most ingnorant and most uneducated voters. The only people to beat them on pure ignorance is the backwords rednecks.
I have stated before that I don't like ignorant voters to vote. America would be better without the majority of those young people voting.
Of coures, I'm generalizing, but you know better than I do that those young people don't know jack diddly a lot of the time. (I also work with the "youth" in my Church.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
Seemed like a lot of out of context video clips to me.You idea that the young evangelicals will make the difference for McCain is incorrect.
I am finding that the young evenagelical adults (not youth 😛) that you are referring to are some of the most ingnorant and most uneducated voters. The only people to beat them on pure ignorance is the backwords rednecks.
I have stated before that I don't like ignorant voters to vote. America would be better without the majority of those young people voting.
Of coures, I'm generalizing, but you know better than I do that those young people don't know jack diddly a lot of the time. (I also work with the "youth" in my Church.)
I didn't mean that they'd make the difference for him necessarily but just that there are other segments of society that will come out to vote (on BOTH sides, really) that aren't being accounted for in most polls.
Though I'd disagree with your assessment that young evangelicals are uneducated and ignorant, as would most of the other young professional evangelicals at my church in Northern California that work for Hewlett Packard, AeroJet, the Police Department, and the Sacramento County Department of Health.
Yes, of course youth are often clueless and mixed up, you've got that right on. 😛 I was meaning more of the "college and career" type folks who are 18-25.
I'm curious then: As a believer who works in ministry at the church, who are you voting for and why?
Originally posted by Robtard
In Dadudemon's defense, he did say "ignorant and unducated" in regards to voting, not their professions or schooling. Which is true, as you've shown in your choosing a candidate based on soley 1-2 issues, eg abortion and equal marriage rigths.
Actually I agree with McCain on global warming and immigration as well.
I don't like the war, and Bush and Co. were wrong and misleading to start it, but I agree with McCain (and several soldiers serving that I know) that we have to try and "win it" and not let the place be another Afghanistan where terrorists organizations can come in, set up bases and plan attacks on us.
So that's actually 4.5 issues I agree with McCain on and 0 that I agree with Obama on. Who do you think I should vote for? Wouldn't I be more "ignorant" just to vote Obama cuz he's teh kewl and Oprah likes him?
Originally posted by sithsaber408Obama is against the war.
I don't like the war, and Bush and Co. were wrong and misleading to start it,
Originally posted by sithsaber408Ha, you probably still don't know that the war caused terrorism to go up...and oil prices.
but I agree with McCain (and several soldiers serving that I know) that we have to try and "win it" and not let the place be another Afghanistan where terrorists organizations can come in, set up bases and plan attacks on us.
Originally posted by sithsaber408It'd be ignorant to vote for McCain since he's a senile racist neocon dope who talks the same bullshit that Bush (and sometimes Hillary) does.
So that's actually 4.5 issues I agree with McCain on and 0 that I agree with Obama on. Who do you think I should vote for? Wouldn't I be more "ignorant" just to vote Obama cuz he's teh kewl and Oprah likes him?
Sorry, I'm probably a bit emotional right now, but how can ANYONE LIKE THE REPUBLICANS? Doesn't anyone in your stupid country realise how retarded they are?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Actually I agree with McCain on global warming and immigration as well.I don't like the war, and Bush and Co. were wrong and misleading to start it, but I agree with McCain (and several soldiers serving that I know) that we have to try and "win it" and not let the place be another Afghanistan where terrorists organizations can come in, set up bases and plan attacks on us.
So that's actually 4.5 issues I agree with McCain on and 0 that I agree with Obama on. Who do you think I should vote for? Wouldn't I be more "ignorant" just to vote Obama cuz he's teh kewl and Oprah likes him?
Glad you Wiki'd McCain.
There are ignorant voters on either side, still doesn't make his point of "Evangelicals being some of the most ignorant voters" less valid.