Avengers versus Avengers!

Originally posted by masterbruce
Team A:

Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Wonder Man, Henry Pym, and Luke Cage

versus

Team B:

Black Panther, Vision, Sentry, Hercules, Namor, She-Hulk, and Hawkeye

team one in a stomp

Team A

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

Vision vs. Iron Man = Vision

Sentry vs. Hulk = Sentry

Hercules vs. Thor = Stalemate, until Sentry comes (his battle with Hulk will be incredibly short) and they pwn Thor

How exactly is Vision beating Iron Man?

To be fair,

Sentry would be more likely to fight Thor than fight hulk. Sentry and Thor are both super-strength-flying-type heavy hitters. Their powersets match one another better. And I'm sure it's a fight everyone in Marvel is waiting to see.

Hulk and Hercules are both non-flying brawlers. Both are the epitome of "strength" and would most likely fight one another just to prove "who the strongest one is". God of Strength vs Gamma Irradiated Monster of Strength. Again their powersets match up better.

Team A wins this.

Originally posted by Evangel94
How exactly is Vision beating Iron Man?

To be fair,

Sentry would be more likely to fight Thor than fight hulk. Sentry and Thor are both super-strength-flying-type heavy hitters. Their powersets match one another better. And I'm sure it's a fight everyone in Marvel is waiting to see.

Hulk and Hercules are both non-flying brawlers. Both are the epitome of "strength" and would most likely fight one another just to prove "who the strongest one is". God of Strength vs Gamma Irradiated Monster of Strength. Again their powersets match up better.

It's true that their powersets match up better, but sometimes you gotta think outside the box.

Hercules might very well challenge Thor to fight at the start ,"Thor, do you dare challenge the Prince of Power to a contest of who is the stronger God?"

And Hulk might very well go after Sentry in the very beginning. "Hulk smash golden haired flying man."

Also, with respect to Vision and Iron Man, I'm assuming Vision is aware of IM's capabilities. In that case he can tell Namor to fight Ironman and Vision takes on Wonder Man.

Remember, I pitted the 2 teams to be similarly powered, but that doesnt mean that the same powerset people necessarily face each other.

Originally posted by Evangel94
How exactly is Vision beating Iron Man?

To be fair,

Sentry would be more likely to fight Thor than fight hulk. Sentry and Thor are both super-strength-flying-type heavy hitters. Their powersets match one another better. And I'm sure it's a fight everyone in Marvel is waiting to see.

Hulk and Hercules are both non-flying brawlers. Both are the epitome of "strength" and would most likely fight one another just to prove "who the strongest one is". God of Strength vs Gamma Irradiated Monster of Strength. Again their powersets match up better.

Well, with the history of rivalry that exists between the two sons-of-gods, I would assume it to be only natural that they face eachother. Besides, Sentry isn't stupid, and he knows the effect his powers have on Hulk. It's not always about the ideal matches.

As for Vision and Ironman, is the extrmis suit immune to physical disruption? If so, I'm sure Vision, being the extremley smart super-computer that he is, would know that and not engage in combat with Ironman.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
It's true that their powersets match up better, but sometimes you gotta think outside the box.

Hercules might very well challenge Thor to fight at the start ,"Thor, do you dare challenge the Prince of Power to a contest of who is the stronger God?"

And Hulk might very well go after Sentry in the very beginning. "Hulk smash golden haired flying man."

Also, with respect to Vision and Iron Man, I'm assuming Vision is aware of IM's capabilities. In that case he can tell Namor to fight Ironman and Vision takes on Wonder Man.

Remember, I pitted the 2 teams to be similarly powered, but that doesnt mean that the same powerset people necessarily face each other.

Originally posted by masterbruce
[B]It's true that their powersets match up better, but sometimes you gotta think outside the box.

Hercules might very well challenge Thor to fight at the start ,"Thor, do you dare challenge the Prince of Power to a contest of who is the stronger God?"

And Hulk might very well go after Sentry in the very beginning. "Hulk smash golden haired flying man."

Also, with respect to Vision and Iron Man, I'm assuming Vision is aware of IM's capabilities. In that case he can tell Namor to fight Ironman and Vision takes on Wonder Man.

Remember, I pitted the 2 teams to be similarly powered, but that doesnt mean that the same powerset people necessarily face each other.

Both of you are forgetting that with Captain America and Black Panther being leaders and running battle strategy, they are going to pit their most powerful members against their equally respective powerful members on the other team. Both team leaders and strategists will try to keep the battle from having an uneveness that might put either team at a disadvantage. It won't be lopsided either way. It's going to be very even in terms of battles and powersets.

Hulk isn't the "dumb" and child-like anymore. He hasn't been for a very long time. He won't repeat the same mistake he made before. Hulk won't run out there not thinking especially with Iron Man's knowledge on Sentry and Captain America's battle tactics. Captain America will not send Hulk against someone who can easily neutralize his power. Captain America will send Hulk against someone with a comparitive strength and powerset. Hulk will listen to Captain America because Hulk isn't going to fight against someone again that can neutralize his power easily. Hulk is going to step aside and go for the next best thing: Hercules

Rivalry between Thor and Hercules? They may have fought before in the past esp. when Thor was young and hot-headed, but there's never really been a long established "rivalry" between the two. The two are close allies and friends. Asgard and Mount Olympus have a mutual pact of friendship stating that neither side will attack another. With Odin long dead, and Thor leading Asgard, Thor's has elevated above such "rivalries". BUT A rivalry that is still very existant today is between Hercules and Hulk. Both of these guys are still out there to prove to one another who is strongest. Plus a "God of Strength" isn't going to just step aside against someone who claims to be "the Strongest One there is". Hercules has shown in the past that prides himself on being the epitome of strength. He won't let his Godly pride get damaged by a mortal being. Hercules and Hulk will fight one another without any doubt.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Both of you are forgetting that with Captain America and Black Panther being leaders and running battle strategy, they are going to pit their most powerful members against their equally respective powerful members on the other team. Both team leaders and strategists will try to keep the battle from having an uneveness that might put either team at a disadvantage. It won't be lopsided either way. It's going to be very even in terms of battles and powersets.

Hulk isn't the "dumb" and child-like anymore. He hasn't been for a very long time. He won't repeat the same mistake he made before. Hulk won't run out there not thinking especially with Iron Man's knowledge on Sentry and Captain America's battle tactics. Captain America will not send Hulk against someone who can easily neutralize his power. Captain America will send Hulk against someone with a comparitive strength and powerset. Hulk will listen to Captain America because Hulk isn't going to fight against someone again now that can neutralize his power. Hulk is going to go for the next best thing: [b]Hercules
[/B]

Plus, who do you think is going to reach the other first?
Hulk reaching Herc, or Sentry (who has traveled to the sun and back in a couple minutes or so) reaching Hulk?
Ya...

Hulk still goes down.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Both of you are forgetting that with Captain America and Black Panther being leaders and running battle strategy, they are going to pit their most powerful members against their equally respective powerful members on the other team. Both team leaders and strategists will try to keep the battle from having an uneveness that might put either team at a disadvantage. It won't be lopsided either way. It's going to be very even in terms of battles and powersets.

Hulk isn't the "dumb" and child-like anymore. He hasn't been for a very long time. He won't repeat the same mistake he made before. Hulk won't run out there not thinking especially with Iron Man's knowledge on Sentry and Captain America's battle tactics. Captain America will send Hulk against someone with comparitive strength and powerset. Hulk isn't going to fight against someone again now that he's awar can neutralize his power. Hulk is going to go for the next best thing: [b]Hercules

Rivalry between Thor and Hercules? They may have fought before in the past esp. when Thor was young and hot-headed, but there's never really been a long established "rivalry" between the two. The two are close allies and friends. Asgard and Mount Olympus have a mutual pact of friendship stating that neither side will attack another. With Odin long dead, and Thor leading Asgard, Thor's has elevated above such "rivalries". BUT A rivalry that is still very existant today though is between Hercules and Hulk. Both of these guys are still out there to prove to one another who is strongest. [/B]

And why is it not plausible for Black Panther to send Sentry against Hulk? You can't argue for the leader on one side, and completley forget any form of leadership on the other. Not to mention, with Sentry's speed, Black Panthers commands are all that matters. Captain America can tell Hulk whatever he wants, but Sentry will still catch up with ease.

Sentry is ALSO much faster then Hercules. So, Hercules and Hulk may WANT to fight, but as long as Sentry is within close proximity to Hulk, it doesn't matter what they want to do.

So now we have everyone fighting, except for Sentry, Hercules, Thor and a pacified Hulk.

Sentry and Hercules >> Thor.

Originally posted by bigbran
Funny, because Sentry will probably go after him.

Plus, who do you think is going to reach the other first?
Hulk reaching Herc, or Sentry (who has traveled to the sun and back in a couple minutes or so) reaching Hulk?
Ya...

Hulk still goes down.

Exactly

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And why is it not plausible for Black Panther to send Sentry against Hulk? You can't argue for the leader on one side, and completley forget any form of leadership on the other. Not to mention, with Sentry's speed, Black Panthers commands are all that matters. Captain America can tell Hulk whatever he wants, but Sentry will still catch up with ease.

Sentry is ALSO much faster then Hercules. So, Hercules and Hulk may WANT to fight, but as long as Sentry is within close proximity to Hulk, it doesn't matter what they want to do.

Once again, your not looking deep enough into the leadership and tactics. Captain America and Iron Man will be aware of the Hulks weakness to Sentry. Black Panther will be ALSO be aware that the other team is also knows of Hulk's weakness to Sentry and will surmize that they will already have a plan in place to prevent Black Panther from trying to take advantage of that. Black Panther will realize that any plan he may have involving Sentry taking out Hulk will be guarded against and it will fruitless to attempt it.

Even IF Black Panther is foolish enough to make Sentry try to reach Hulk, Sentry's going to be intercepted by mjolnir and Thor. Plus Hulk will avoid Sentry because my earlier stated reasons. Sentry isn't catching anyone off guard.

Besides, If you want to talk about weakness, then there's nothing to stop Iron Man from dialing up "cloc" again and screwing with Sentry's head again right when the battle begins. Or even BEFORE the battle even starts, knocking Sentry out of the Battle for good. To be fair, we don't assume that, but you if you want to try to use Sentry to put down Hulk, Iron Man will put down Sentry hard. Heck there's not even any defense against Extremis Iron Man dialing up Vision and turning him against his team. Henry Pym and Iron Man both know Vision very well and could very do it to him. Especially will Iron Man Extremis powers and Henry Pym's extensive knowledge on Vision and his defenses when he rebuilt the Vision.

You whole plan hinges on the fact that Sentry will take out the Hulk early with his "calming" rays. The circumstances Sentry used his power before on the Hulk before and trying to use it now is vastly different. Team A will be covering Hulk's weakness and will be fully aware at any attempt for Sentry to try it.

You whole battle plan is also critical on the fact that people will unequaled powersets are going to fight one another. It's natural for people with equal powersets to engage one another. It's the same reason we all know Captain America and Black Panther will fight one another and not say that Sentry will speed blitz and rip Captain America's head off.

Besides, If you want to talk about weakness, then there's nothing to stop Iron Man from dialing up "cloc" again and screwing with Sentry's head again right when the battle begins. Or even before the battle even starts, knocking Sentry out of the Battle. To be fair, we don't assume that, but you if you want to try to use Sentry to put down Hulk, Iron Man will put down Sentry hard. Heck there's not even any defense against Extremis Iron Man dialing up Vision and turning him against his team. Henry Pym and Iron Man both know Vision very well and could most likely do it to him. Especially will Iron Man Extremis powers and Henry Pym's extensive knowledge on Vision when he rebuilt the Vision we have today.

Besides that if you just look at Team A in general without trying to come up with specific fights, Team A just has way more experience working with one another, and Each person on Team A has higher feats than Team B. And in general, just has more raw power to get the job done.

Originally posted by bigbran
Funny, because Sentry will probably go after him.

Plus, who do you think is going to reach the other first?
Hulk reaching Herc, or Sentry (who has traveled to the sun and back in a couple minutes or so) reaching Hulk?
Ya...

Hulk still goes down.

Originally posted by Evangel94

You whole battle plan is also critical on the fact that people will unequaled powersets are going to fight one another. It's [b]natural for people with equal powersets to engage one another. It's the same reason we all know Captain America and Black Panther will fight one another.

[/B]

Not true. Captain America won't fight Thor not because their powersets are different, but because he'd get killed.

Hercules CAN fight either Thor, Hulk or others becuase he won't get killed.

So, its not necessarily that people with similar powersets fight each other, but rather that people of equal power and durability fight each other.

Also, even assuming Thor fights Sentry, I don't think we can conclusively say that Thor will win.

Originally posted by Faceman
What do you think this is DC. Theirs no speed blitzing in Marvel. 😆

Also, I was talking about Sentry reaching him, not blitzing him.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Not true. Captain America won't fight Thor not because their powersets are different, but because he'd get killed.

Hercules CAN fight either Thor, Hulk or others becuase he won't get killed.

So, its not necessarily that people with similar powersets fight each other, but rather that people of equal power and durability fight each other.

Also, even assuming Thor fights Sentry, I don't think we can conclusively say that Thor will win.

1. Captain America won't fight Thor because Thor is on his team. (I know what your trying to say here though, but I just needed to point it out.)

2. We haven't even seen enough of Sentry to assume that he's more powerful than a well established character like Thor. There's plenty of history to back Thor as the winner, and Sentry is still the relatively new kid on the block.

3. There's nothing to stop Iron Man from hacking into cloc again and knocking out Sentry when the battle starts or even before the battle begins. And what's there to stop Iron man and Henry Pym from hacking into Vision and turning him against his team?

4. Also, I'd appreciate if you quoted my entire post so that I know your addressing my entire post as whole instead of picking one specific section here and there. It helps me know that you read my whole post and understood it. Battle threads can go on and on with people restating the same thing over and over just to make sure the other person read it.

5. But anyway, although it's a close battle, in the end Team A still has more raw power than Team B.

Too close to tell. Could go either way. Though Team A seems to have more power than Team B overall.

Originally posted by bigbran
Spider-Man does it all the time...

Also, I was talking about Sentry reaching him, not blitzing him.

Originally posted by Faceman
I know. I think you've been in one to many debates today. Team A wins.

since when does hulk run away either thor or hulk can take sentry. Namor can fight hercules they have so in the past .

Originally posted by Evangel94
Once again, your forgetting about leadership and tactics. Captain America and Iron Man will be aware of the Hulks weakness to Sentry. Black Panther will be ALSO be aware that the other team is also knows of Hulk's weakness to Sentry and will surmize that they will already have a plan in place to prevent Black Panther from trying to take advantage of that. Black Panther will realize that any plan he may have involving Sentry taking out Hulk will be guarded against and it will fruitless to attempt it.

I doubt Black Panther would think 'Well, they'll stop me, so I may as well give up. Damn.'

Originally posted by Evangel94
Sentry may try to reach Hulk, but he's going to be intercepted by mjolnir and Thor. Plus Hulk will avoid Sentry because my earlier stated reasons. Sentry isn't catching anyone off guard.

Do you have any scans whatsoever proving that Thor can match Sentry's speed?

Again, it's speculation. Not to mention, that Sentry doesn't actually have to physically engage Hulk. He just has to be in the general personal proximity of Hulk. In addition, if Hulk is gonna go after Hercules like you claim, what stops Black Panther from giving orders for Herc to engage Thor, who is currently trying to stop Sentry. Then Hulk HAS to go near Sentry. We can do this all day long.

Originally posted by Evangel94
You whole plan hinges on the fact that Sentry will take out the Hulk early with his "calming" rays. The circumstances Sentry used his power before on the Hulk before and trying to use it now is vastly different. Team A will be covering Hulk's weakness and will be fully aware at any attempt for Sentry to try it.

Originally posted by Evangel94
You whole battle plan is also critical on the fact that people will unequaled powersets are going to fight one another. It's [b]natural for people with equal powersets to engage one another. It's the same reason we all know Captain America and Black Panther will fight one another. [/B]

Originally posted by Evangel94
Besides, If you want to talk about weakness, then there's nothing to stop Iron Man from dialing up "cloc" again and screwing with Sentry's head again right when the battle begins. Or even before the battle even starts, knocking Sentry out of the Battle. To be fair, we don't assume that, but you if you want to try to use Sentry to put down Hulk, Iron Man will put down Sentry hard.

Originally posted by xmeat
since when does hulk run away either thor or hulk can take sentry. Namor can fight hercules they have so in the past .