black panther vs spiderman

Started by Phantom Zone4 pages
Originally posted by Daredevil1
No offense but look at the power ratings. Its a marvel website at that. I'm talking handbooks. I give even handbooks more praise then the marvel website. But first and foremost the actual stories.

Yeah but as far as I know the actual bios apart from the ratings are approved by Marvel.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
handbooks arent really used if they were thered be no points to using feats

but its been pretty much shown BP is super human, he was able to sense dr. stranges astral presence and overpower a rhino

Captain America could overpower a Rhino and hes not superhuman.

Spider-Man wins more often than not after a cool fight.

Black Panther is badass, Spider-Man is sometimes badass.

But according to forum rules, both characters fight at the best of their abilities => Spider-Man wins.

Black Panther will beat down Spider-Man down in every way, it's true Spider Man doesn't do well against people like Taskmaster, Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Fist, Elektra, Wolverine, etc. Black Panther is smarter, more skilled and highly dangerous and resourceful he would have a lot tricks up is sleeves.

Spider-man for the majority.

Black Panther wins the majority too many options at his disposal.

Black Panther 8/10

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
handbooks arent really used if they were thered be no points to using feats

but its been pretty much shown BP is super human, he was able to sense dr. stranges astral presence and overpower a rhino

Indeed but so are marvel site by fans. Anyhow BP is not true superhuman in stats. Sensing astral presense isn't physical stats. And Cap has feats that dwarf bring down a Rhino.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Black Panther wins the majority too many options at his disposal.

Black Panther 8/10

QFT. Besides being a Martial art and tactical expert, (which alone have given spiderman major problems), BP also has to many weapons at his disposal.

One hit kills with energy daggers, that can be fired like beams and regenerate constantly,

One hit kills with his claws,

Vibranium suit, and now Light armor

Speed and agility that is in spiderman's league.

Besides webbing; I don't see any way for spiderman to put up any solid offense against BP with standard equip.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
QFT. Besides being a Martial art and tactical expert, (which alone have given spiderman major problems), BP also has to many weapons at his disposal.

One hit kills with energy daggers, that can be fired like beams and regenerate constantly,

One hit kills with his claws,

Vibranium suit, and now Light armor

Speed and agility that is in spiderman's league.

Besides webbing; I don't see any way for spiderman to put up any solid offense against BP with standard equip.

No offense, but you say all that as if Spidey's never faced anyone like BP before (besides BP, of course).

I admit that he usually has problems with martial artists, but there are also times when he doesn't, when he chooses not to fight on their terms but on his own.

Energy daggers. I'm pretty sure Spidey's not fast enough to dodge any of these. 😐

What exactly causes a one-hit-kill with BP's claws?

And Spidey's fought tons of people with heavy-duty armor before. Sure, BP's is vibranium, but that doesn't completely negate anything Spidey throws at him. As we all know, the suit can be torn/ripped.

BP's speed and agility are fantastic, but I think it's overstepping a bit to say it's in Spidey's league. Because it's not. When it comes to street-levelers, Spidey is the fastest/most agile.

But yea, you already mentioned the easiest way to win. Webbing. It's not his only way, but definitely the one requiring the least amount of effort.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No offense, but you say all that as if Spidey's never faced anyone like BP before (besides BP, of course).

I mean besides Kraven he really hasn't; 😬 And most of us know what BP did to Kraven; while Kraven has given spidey some of his hardest fights even losing to Kraven before I believe. (Correct me if Im wrong).

Im not trying to use ABC logic here, Im just saying that High level combat tactics and martial arts skills will always play against spiderman.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

I admit that he usually has problems with martial artists, but there are also times when he doesn't, when he chooses not to fight on their terms but on his own.

Im not saying that spidey isn't capable of fighting on his own terms, and he has in the past. But really; who has a better chance of controlling the tempo of the fight; The King of a warrior nation who has profiled nearly every superhero and villain on earth and who can think up a combat strategy in a few seconds; or Spiderman, whom does have some combat experience as he has defeated villains whose physical attributes and powers out-weight his heavily but in short, most of his villains are straight idiots.

Again, Kraven, with slight superhuman stats, has given spiderman some of his toughest fights.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Energy daggers. I'm pretty sure Spidey's not fast enough to dodge any of these. 😐

I never said he couldn't dodge them, but they are an option panther has at close or long range, and even if parker somehow webs panther up, they generate from his gloves, which in turn are capable of cutting him out, kinda like when skrull Mr fantastic had BP wrapped up, T'challa generated his daggers and numbed the Skrulls nervous system at only partial power.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

What exactly causes a one-hit-kill with BP's claws?

Well not really a one hit kill, but if BP lands a strike (And he will) a single claw swipe could greatly hinders spidermans ability.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And Spidey's fought tons of people with heavy-duty armor before. Sure, BP's is vibranium, but that doesn't completely negate anything Spidey throws at him. As we all know, the suit can be torn/ripped.

True, but again, he has fought nobody like panther with heavy armor. And the suit can be torn/ripped if enough physical force is applied; it can be overloaded. (Iron fist) Or if it is cut along the grain, with a sharp object.

Spidey would have to land multiple, multiple hits to the same part of panther's suit before it gives in. Are you suggesting BP will be incapable of landing blows before this happens?

Originally posted by Metalmanx

BP's speed and agility are fantastic, but I think it's overstepping a bit to say it's in Spidey's league. Because it's not. When it comes to street-levelers, Spidey is the fastest/most agile.

Im not saying his agility and speed are as good as spidey's, I know they are not. But Bp has some spiderman level agility feats including dodging cap multiple times, once while severely injured. Excluding Spidey (whom I don't consider street level) I believe BP to be the fastest and most agile street leveler out there.

The difference between the two is there, but it is not as great as you would like to believe.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

But yea, you already mentioned the easiest way to win. Webbing. It's not his only way, but definitely the one requiring the least amount of effort.

And what other ways can you think of?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Indeed but so are marvel site by fans. Anyhow BP is not true superhuman in stats. Sensing astral presense isn't physical stats. And Cap has feats that dwarf bring down a Rhino.
its been said though in his origin the herb boosted his stats to super human levels

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra0ui.jpg

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
its been said though in his origin the herb boosted his stats to super human levels

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra0ui.jpg

I see what you mean but it doesn't blatantly say superhuman but supra-normal it seems its something similar to saying pre-natural which means supernatural but doesn't neccesarily mean superhuman but extrodinary.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I see what you mean but it doesn't blatantly say superhuman but supra-normal it seems its something similar to saying pre-natural which means supernatural but doesn't neccesarily mean superhuman but extrodinary.
isnt extraordinary the same thing as superhuman?

it says the fruit spiritually enhances his physical abilities, and how isnt supernatural, superhuman?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
isnt extraordinary the same thing as superhuman?

it says the fruit spiritually enhances his physical abilities, and how isnt supernatural, superhuman?

Not really.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
isnt extraordinary the same thing as superhuman?

Nah man it ain't Bullseyes is extraordinary but hes not superhuman.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678

it says the fruit spiritually enhances his physical abilities,

Yeah but to what level, that could be to peak human levels.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678

and how isnt supernatural, superhuman?

Well Punishers aim has been described as pre-natural. I don't think his aim is superhuman but very very good.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah man it ain't Bullseyes is extraordinary but hes not superhuman.

Yeah but to what level, that could be to peak human levels.

Well Punishers aim has been described as pre-natural. I don't think his aim is superhuman but very very good.

described by woh?

the difference is his origin says he was given supernatural abilities, captain americas origin says he was made to be peak human, and before he ate the fruit he was peak human

the herb was said to enhance his sense abilities as well as healing.
http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra017ab.jpg

not to mention t'challa was already peak human (he was able to beat wakandas best warrior as well as the current Black Panther who had already been enhanced by the herb)

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah but as far as I know the actual bios apart from the ratings are approved by Marvel.

Actually the Marvel is like a wiki thats why its power ratings by the fans are all off and completely inaccurate including bios.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
described by woh?

the difference is his origin says he was given supernatural abilities, captain americas origin says he was made to be peak human, and before he ate the fruit he was peak human

the herb was said to enhance his sense abilities as well as healing.
http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra017ab.jpg

not to mention t'challa was already peak human (he was able to beat wakandas best warrior as well as the current Black Panther who had already been enhanced by the herb)

Actually the SSS in the story books have never been called "Peak Human". That came from the hand books.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually the Marvel is like a wiki thats why its power ratings by the fans are all off and completely inaccurate including bios.

but doesnt the sit show both fan ratings and official ratings

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
its been said though in his origin the herb boosted his stats to super human levels

http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra0ui.jpg

As already pointed out it states supra-normal. Which Cap has also been called the Super-normal degree. In Captain America #59

I alos thought he was between peak human and superhuman.
Didnt he used to be considered enhanced or somthing