Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is as strong and skilled as Bruce (if not more so)
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Pffffffffffft. Come on now....
Not to mention, Batman has crazy reflex/reaction time feats as well. DD's senses make up for the other advantages Batman holds over Matt, including the durability advantage with the suit (although, he could easily set the suit to "stun"😉. You add the gadgets, and Batman would take the majority.
Originally posted by Soljer
🤨Batman has speed feats to match any of Daredevils. His strength feats outstrip Daredevil's. His skill feats are more impressive than Daredevil's. Batman's been able to use gadgets as a matter of course while fighting VERY skilled, VERY fast opponents.
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Batman's speed feats don't match Daredevils, they put him roughly in the same ball park but the same goes for Nightwing and Batman, and Dick is faster and more agile then Batman. There strength feats are about even Daredevil has used a 400lbs barbell as a boo-staff, flipped a limo and ripped a bolted mail box out of concrete and use it as a club. Batman getting into his belt while fighting a faster, equally skilled opponent is PIS. If you were fight your self... only he was faster and had a radar sense do you think you'd be able to reach into your pocket and pull out a switch blade with out getting beat unconscious?
Originally posted by Soljer
....But Batman wins on quality and quantity.
A baton versus sonics, gas, lasers, teleporation devices, batarangs of all sorts, and etc?
All of which comes on his belt?
I think it's clear that Daredevil is the one stuck holding the kleenexs in this fight.
Oh, I know...I wasn't saying any different. I was just being an ass.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Batman's speed feats don't match Daredevils, they put him roughly in the same ball park but the same goes for Nightwing and Batman, and Dick is faster and more agile then Batman. There strength feats are about even Daredevil has used a 400lbs barbell as a boo-staff, flipped a limo and ripped a bolted mail box out of concrete and use it as a club. Batman getting into his belt while fighting a faster, equally skilled opponent is PIS. If you were fight your self... only he was faster and had a radar sense do you think you'd be able to reach into your pocket and pull out a switch blade with out getting beat unconscious?
In my opinion, Nightwing isn't faster than Bruce. 😐
But like I said; 5.1/10 to DD, depending on if Batman uses his sonics right off the bat or figures out that DD has enhanced senses.
Yep and Nightwing despite his skill is still second to Batman. Batman uses his gadgets all the time against faster opponents. Equally skilled? Said before you're going to tell me DD's on par with 127 mastered fighting styles, I think not. Hes dealt with Batgirl before, she has the same ability to read peoples moves as DD and he can still stalemate/beat her. Add the gadgets into the mix, its a fight DD isn't winning.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Batman's speed feats don't match Daredevils, they put him roughly in the same ball park but the same goes for Nightwing and Batman, and Dick is faster and more agile then Batman. There strength feats are about even Daredevil has used a 400lbs barbell as a boo-staff, flipped a limo and ripped a bolted mail box out of concrete and use it as a club. Batman getting into his belt while fighting a faster, equally skilled opponent is PIS. If you were fight your self... only he was faster and had a radar sense do you think you'd be able to reach into your pocket and pull out a switch blade with out getting beat unconscious?
Batman was casually working out with well over a ton. He's ripped steel, punched through concrete, knocked people through countless brick walls, kicked trees wider than a man in half, and has tossed VERY large men as if they were a toddler.
Flipping a limo isn't a stretch for a REAL world strongman. Any of Batman's feats are.
Batman's speed feats aren't outmatched by Daredevils, as they've never had a direct comparison. We can only go by apparent depiction, and level of difficulty.
Both of which, Batman would win in the end.
And yes, Batman could easily fight an opponent who is only arguably AS fast as him, and LESS skilled while reaching for gadgets.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Yep and Nightwing despite his skill is still second to Batman. Batman uses his gadgets all the time against faster opponents. Equally skilled? Said before you're going to tell me DD's on par with 127 mastered fighting styles, I think not. Hes dealt with Batgirl before, she has the same ability to read peoples moves as DD and he can still stalemate/beat her. Add the gadgets into the mix, its a fight DD isn't winning.
Batman can't stalemate Cass, even in their training season (when Bruce arrogantly thought he won) he ended up cough up blood while Cass had a smirk on her face. Even when they were under the influence of drugs (I've forgotten what it was called) Bruce was not only on the defensive the entire fight, he was actually on the run! And on top of that he was using gadgets... and Cass was only trying to land a kiss on Bruce, not fight him.
Daredevil is one of the premire fighters in the marvel Universe. He has held his own against people in combat who have been stated on panel to be masters of ever fighting style known to man. IF Bruce is superior, it is a very slight edge.
Originally posted by Soljer
Batman was casually working out with well over a ton. He's ripped steel, punched through concrete, knocked people through countless brick walls, kicked trees wider than a man in half, and has tossed VERY large men as if they were a toddler.Flipping a limo isn't a stretch for a REAL world strongman. Any of Batman's feats are.
Batman's speed feats aren't outmatched by Daredevils, as they've never had a direct comparison. We can only go by apparent depiction, and level of difficulty.
Both of which, Batman would win in the end.
And yes, Batman could easily fight an opponent who is only arguably AS fast as him, and LESS skilled while reaching for gadgets.
I'll even give you some ammo for this debate.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Batman can't stalemate Cass, even in their training season (when Bruce arrogantly thought he won) he ended up cough up blood while Cass had a smirk on her face. Even when they were under the influence of drugs (I've forgotten what it was called) Bruce was not only on the defensive the entire fight, he was actually on the run! And on top of that he was using gadgets... and Cass was only trying to land a kiss on Bruce, not fight him.Daredevil is one of the premire fighters in the marvel Universe. He has held his own against people in combat who have been stated on panel to be masters of ever fighting style known to man. IF Bruce is superior, it is a very slight edge.
During the training session he wasn't even going all out. Don't make me start this again. 😛
Originally posted by batdude123
During the training session he wasn't even going all out. Don't make me start this again. 😛
Indeed, one handed and telling her how shittily she was fighting? Yeah. He was certainly bloodlusted.
And, while they were both under the effects of Soul, Batman was fairly clear headed, while Cass was closer to blood lusted. And he still stalemated her all over Gotham.