Mewtwo VS Shadow

I know for a fact that Pidgeot can fly at mach 2, so that's something. I can get some stats for comparison purposes, but that might count as game mechanics. But then again:

Pidgeot's base speed stat is 91. It travels at mach 2.
Alakazam's base speed stat is 120. Its brain can outperform a supercomputer.
There are tons of other pokemon that are too fast to be seen, but aren't given concrete numbers.

Anyway, Mewtwo's base speed stat is 130. He's pretty darn fast. Another interesting fact I discovered is that, according to the games, Mewtwo is god level. His stat total is 680. The only pokemon with a higher total is Arceus himself, at 720. There are a few other pokemon with a total of 680. They are Ho-Oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. All of them are considered gods or godlikes.

I find it funny that Mewtwo can hold his own against the creators of Time and Space (like, you know...Chaos Control.) And he's faster than them, too.

If Shadow can go hyper, he wins...pretty damn quickly too. If he can't then I would say it's up in the air. Doubt Shadow can do anything to stop a mental assault at the level Mewtwo can dish'em out but I'm not sure if Shadow still can't speed blitz or if Mewtwo even has the mental strength to manipulate something already movin' at mach speeds. That's like movin' a mountain and then some. Mewtwo's Psychic abilities are strong, but they aint infinite. It has limits.

MewTwo with a gesture started a hurricane that would wipe out all life on earth, and maintained it passively. 😬

A hurricane is made of wind and water, that's kinda easy to manipulate. Now if he stopped a X-15 movin at nearly Mach 7 commin' straight at'im, I would say Shadow loses.

On a world wide scale? Not really. Stopping a moving hedgehog would be much easier.

A Hedgehog that moves at mach speeds...

How 'bout bouncing back a Gyrados' Hyper Beam.

MewTwo more than likely does as well, as do numerous pokemon.

But yeah, controlling a worldwide life-wiping storm > stopping a mach hedgehog.

You say that, but I disagree. I don't think psychically controllin' a hurricane that will eventually destroy life on earth is as good as stopping Shadow The Hedgehog. Shadow is crazy fast...that shouldn't be ignored. Let the record show that I'm not sayin' Shadow is goin' to win either.

I don't see how they're even comparable. What makes you disagree, exactly? Explain your stance. To me it seems pretty black and white that one would require a lot more literal kinetic energy, the world spanning storm. MewTwo maintains that passively. A mass of Shadow's size and weight could move nearly any speed and still put out less energy.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't see how they're even comparable. What makes you disagree, exactly? Explain your stance. To me it seems pretty black and white that one would require a lot more literal kinetic energy, the world spanning storm. MewTwo maintains that passively. A mass of Shadow's size and weight could move nearly any speed and still put out less energy.

It's like sayin' cuz a net can catch a bowlin' ball fallin' from 2 stories, it can stop an AK-47 round fired from few yards away. That bullet is smaller but it's movin' much faster and it's designed to pierce. A hurricane is a much bigger object wit possibly more energy (I doubt it), but it's an inanimate object that doesn't have a mind of it's own, Shadow however is like the bullet, much faster and built to pierce. How is Shadow built to pierce. He's commin' at you much faster and he has the intent to kill you, unlike a hurricane.

It would take an unrealistic amount of energy to power a living creature that can move as fast as a jet and is about the size of 3rd grader, more than what can be found in a hurricane on earth.

Your example seems to assume that bexause MewTwo can spread out his power like the net, he can't also focus it into a smaller area, which we know he can.

Also, I disagree. The kinetic energy required to drive a storm spanning the entire planet would be far greater than to power a 3rd grader sized jet. Infact, mankind could design such a jet, and it would require less energy to move because of it's small size than a full size jet.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Your example seems to assume that bexause MewTwo can spread out his power like the net, he can't also focus it into a smaller area, which we know he can.

Also, I disagree. The kinetic energy required to drive a storm spanning the entire planet would be far greater than to power a 3rd grader sized jet. Infact, mankind could design such a jet, and it would require less energy to move because of it's small size than a full size jet.

What I'm saying is, controllin' a hurricane requires less effort than controllin' Shadow. Because Shadow is unrealistically more faster than most objects on earth at his size.

A 3rd grader sized jet is 'very' different from a 'living' creature that is the size of a 3rd grader and naturally moves as fast as a jet. One is impossible in nearly every way because of the amount of energy necessary to do it and one is not.

A 3rd grader sized jet is 'very' different from a 'living' creature that is the size of a 3rd grader and naturally moves as fast as a jet. One is impossible in nearly every way because of the amount of energy necessary to do it and one is not.

and it would take less energy than a hurricane, let alone a world wide one.

You know, Mewtwo is also one of the three or four pokemon that aren't under the god-pokemon's tree. He is a special boy 🙂

Did we miss the fact that Pidgeot moves at twice the speed of sound and Mewtwo has no problems with him? Pidgeot = Mach 2. Mewtwo = faster than Pidgeot. Mach 2 < Pidgeot < Mewtwo.

Dialga and Palkia are the manifestations of time and space. Mewtwo is on their level.

Also, Mewtwo maintained this life-wiping storm, while also maintaining a mass Disable on a bunch of pokemon (preventing them from using their powers), while also fighting Mew. That's some good multitasking right there.

Indeed. 🙂 Amazing how most seem to overlook that.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I dunno if his thinking process will be faster than Shadow's, simply because Shadow can run around think and react at super sonic speed. MewTwo's could certainly keep pace with him though. The Pokeverse is pretty OP.

Shadow can't move at super sonic speed, only super sonic can move at super sonic speed tongue_ss

Originally posted by The Scenario
Did we miss the fact that Pidgeot moves at twice the speed of sound and Mewtwo has no problems with him? Pidgeot = Mach 2. Mewtwo = faster than Pidgeot. Mach 2 < Pidgeot < Mewtwo.

Dialga and Palkia are the manifestations of time and space. Mewtwo is on their level.

Also, Mewtwo maintained this life-wiping storm, while also maintaining a mass Disable on a bunch of pokemon (preventing them from using their powers), while also [b]fighting Mew. That's some good multitasking right there. [/B]

Yes

According to Wei, who probably knows more than me about sonic, in their base forms the hedgehogs can run around at super-sonic speeds. That's still under mach 5.

The only thing I found about... well sonic so far is "Capable of traveling at supersonic speeds"

Apparently sega deleted their site for the character profiles.

But I wouldn't put it past them yet if they actually are capable of going at lightspeed, even if it is only with rings in gameplay.