Potentium: There is no light or dark side

I'm sorry, but this whole discussion has been solely versed with nitpicking on particular variants and obstacles, it's nothing new ot the argument, and I can assure you, you still have not covered all your bases.

What if Obi-Wan was to use the Force to send the convoy into a false alert or similar. Perhaps get the word out to Republic Security Forces to distract them and divert there attention, maybe just pull out all the
weapons from there hands;even if you care the silly superhero Jedi talents, unlike me, he deflects fire with his hands in the Clone Wars, he could do that.

Obi-Wan is a Jedi and will do what he can to sustain live, however evil or corrupt it is, and when there's a Jedi around nothing is impossible. The Maul incident occured when Obi-Wan was young and reckless, and in an act of revenge, he called upon the dark side of the force, not some darkness within himself, to fight back against Maul, and in that instant, he was no longer a Jedi, he was no longer in control, and could not uphold his principles and spare Maul's life.

Plus, Obi-Wan's shown no displeasure at hacking off a few limbs when the need is there 🙂

revenge is a human emtion - not an emotion of the force. therefore what Obi called upon was his own darkness. doing this broke down his inhibitions and thus gave him the power to overcome maul.

as for the rest, your point is taken. i think we should detract from this line 😛 lol. it is getting a bit OTT

^^^ of course, all this is part of the fun - i'll have a think and see what other limitations i can put on 😛 lol

I'll start detracting from that line.

If any well trained Jedi Knight used raw emotions to fuel their abilities in a situation in which, using said abilities will ultimately do good, then there's nothing wrong. The drawback lies in the will power of that Jedi.

If that Jedi wants to keep doing more and more good, and finds that using those raw emotions really helps him out, there's nothing wrong. However, if that Jedi is easily susceptible to manipulation by his own darkness, then there's trouble. He could become arrogant, over-confident, he could take on a superior attitude. Like Exar-Kun, or Malak, or Vader.

This would only happen if the will power of that Jedi is defeated by his own use of the Dark Side. The Dark Side is not inherently evil, only the User determines the alignment.

again, i agree with you in this - but where i think we still depart ways is on the dark side issue. for my own peace of mind, are you using Dark Side as a reference and to make a point, or because you believe that the Force takes sides. i'm getting terribly confused now 🙁 ; i admit i still use this term myself, but when i'm refering to the dark side of a person

Originally posted by starwarsfreak34
again, i agree with you in this - but where i think we still depart ways is on the dark side issue. for my own peace of mind, are you using Dark Side as a reference and to make a point, or because you believe that the Force takes sides. i'm getting terribly confused now 🙁 ; i admit i still use this term myself, but when i'm refering to the dark side of a person

This thread sucks, and I smite all ye who support Potentium or any other alternate view...

In response to Exanda Kane's example of Jedi killing Sith and so on...

The Sith are evil. The Jedi must kill the Sith, that's their goal. If they let the Sith live, the Sith create even more chaos and hell than they already do.

There wasn't a Rebellion for no reason...

And the Dark Side is inherently evil. EU misses that point entirely. Using the Dark Side will take you to the Dark Side, if you use it for your own greedy purposes and so on. Otherwise, you're not going to be using the Dark Side...

Originally posted by Captain REX
This thread sucks, and I smite all ye who support Potentium or any other alternate view...

In response to Exanda Kane's example of Jedi killing Sith and so on...

The Sith are evil. The Jedi must kill the Sith, that's their goal. If they let the Sith live, the Sith create even more chaos and hell than they already do.

There wasn't a Rebellion for no reason...

And the Dark Side is inherently evil. EU misses that point entirely. Using the Dark Side will take you to the Dark Side, if you use it for your own greedy purposes and so on. Otherwise, you're not going to be using the Dark Side...

um, first off: the 'EU', in its entire sense, did not miss this point - ur thinking of the NJO and LotF, as most books before them stick with the light and dark view. second, i do not believe they miss the point at all - as the point they make is that evil exists, but THE DARK SIDE ''OF THE FORCE'' DOES NOT.

people can be good or bad, but as (and i'm using this only because i've came straight from her FAQ page and saw this), as JK Rowling says - no one is wholly good or wholly evil.

i believe that the dark side OF THE FORCE does not exist as the Force is not a living person, and is not capabal of making conscious decisions regarding light and dark. it does NOT say, 'oh, well i'm going to split myself into two little pools, one light and one dark, and whoever wants to do good can draw on me from the light pool and whoever wants to do evil can draw on me from the dark pool' - its been described time again as a river or a flow, and so that's why i've used this analogy (if you can call it that 😛)

a better analogy would be to think of it EXACTLY as a river, a river that does not have a beginning or end (for the sake of argument) and just FLOWS - it does not do anything other than flow, in one continuous direction. this is the only way it appears to me when it is described as a river, and at no point does it ever meander off in opposite directions. as i said, it just EXISTS.

oh, and if the purpose of the Jedi was only to kill the Sith then why the hell did Luke go through the effort of trying not to kill Vader and instead try find the goodness in him?

Originally posted by Captain REX
This thread sucks, and I smite all ye who support Potentium or any other alternate view...

In response to Exanda Kane's example of Jedi killing Sith and so on...

The Sith are evil. The Jedi must kill the Sith, that's their goal. If they let the Sith live, the Sith create even more chaos and hell than they already do.

There wasn't a Rebellion for no reason...

And the Dark Side is inherently evil. EU misses that point entirely. Using the Dark Side will take you to the Dark Side, if you use it for your own greedy purposes and so on. Otherwise, you're not going to be using the Dark Side...

That was not my point. That was my example of a scenario that had already been laid out by other posters.

Originally posted by starwarsfreak34
um, first off: the 'EU', in its entire sense, did not miss this point - ur thinking of the NJO and LotF, as most books before them stick with the light and dark view. second, i do not believe they miss the point at all - as the point they make is that evil exists, but THE DARK SIDE ''OF THE FORCE'' DOES NOT.

people can be good or bad, but as (and i'm using this only because i've came straight from her FAQ page and saw this), as JK Rowling says - no one is wholly good or wholly evil.

i believe that the dark side OF THE FORCE does not exist as the Force is not a living person, and is not capabal of making conscious decisions regarding light and dark. it does NOT say, 'oh, well i'm going to split myself into two little pools, one light and one dark, and whoever wants to do good can draw on me from the light pool and whoever wants to do evil can draw on me from the dark pool' - its been described time again as a river or a flow, and so that's why i've used this analogy (if you can call it that 😛)

a better analogy would be to think of it EXACTLY as a river, a river that does not have a beginning or end (for the sake of argument) and just FLOWS - it does not do anything other than flow, in one continuous direction. this is the only way it appears to me when it is described as a river, and at no point does it ever meander off in opposite directions. as i said, it just EXISTS.

oh, and if the purpose of the Jedi was only to kill the Sith then why the hell did Luke go through the effort of trying not to kill Vader and instead try find the goodness in him?

This is essentially how I view it. It's the person them self that determines how the Force is used, for either good or evil. Certain aspects of the Force which are easier to learn and manipulate appeal to the bad guy more often. That, and learning certain aspects of the Force can turn a person bad. That isn't to say that the Force itself is the evil one though.

Originally posted by Tangible God
That isn't to say that the Force itself is the evil one though.

duh! thank you.... but if you believe this then why do you insist on saying the dark side of the Force - and this goes for other people, too...

Originally posted by starwarsfreak34
duh! thank you.... but if you believe this then why do you insist on saying the dark side of the Force - and this goes for other people, too...

Originally posted by Tangible God
Simply a term from out of habit. There is a "side," or certain aspects of the Force which when used by someone appeals to their base instincts and nature. Their "dark" side.

either this whole thing really confuses me, or you actually make sense. yeah, i can see it - and i can understand people still calling it the dark side....... but you make it seem a lot closer to what i believe, so i like your explanation 😛