Batdude's Official Tourney Match #5

Pr's Third Post (second one is last post on the last page, in case you missed it)

The Surfboards

so with keeper's telekinetic attacks unable to penetrate our shield, any attempts to take superman's solar energy prevented, and black alice's teleportation sphere made pretty much redundant, that leaves the matter of the atom thin surfboards, which by now have started pounding our shield... but honestly, two of our boys have survived black holes and planets exploding, i'm sure they can last against three boards... and their combat reactions arent exactly slow...

now, what we do is one thing... vulcan and rew's boy stay within the shield, and we let superman do his thing... superman has been shown to able to fly beyond lightspeed, so he's at least as fast as your boards... second, his combat reaction speed is on par with almost anyone in all of comicdom... now, the boards themselves don't contain kryptonite, or magic, so i think he'll be able to take a few licks without being cut to shreds given his bio aura...

i know right about now blair and dc are going 'wtf? those things hit with the force of 10 gigatons!!!' and yeah, its a high figure... but i think people don't realise (or just need to be reminded 😛), that the two guys on our team, are two of the top guys in DC... they're practically the top two heroes when it comes to people who arent gods or spirits... yes they have been around for years, yes people probably said 'superman? why pick him, everyone knows his weaknesses, duh...' but what they didnt say was this... ITS SUPERMAN. The guy has done things most heroes can only dream about...

these guys laugh in the face of gigatons... ever heard of a verneshot?

basically,

a verneshot is(named after French author Jules Verne) is a hypothetical volcanic eruption event which launches an extremely large rock into a sub-orbital trajectory.

verneshots are considered to be one possible cause for extinction level events, such as the extinction of the dinosaurs.

The four major mass extinctions that may have been caused by verneshots are:

The Frasnian-Fammian extinction event 364 million years ago, killing off 70% of all marine life, linked to the Siljan crater in Sweden and the
Pripyat-Dniepr-Donetsk supervolcano in the Ukraine

The Permian-Triassic extinction event 251 million years ago, killing off 96% of all life on the planet, linked to the Bedout crater off the coast of
Australia and the supervolcano which formed the Siberian Traps

The Triassic-Jurassic extinction event 200 million years ago, killing off 20% of species, linked to the Manicouagan crater in Canada and the Central Atlantic Magmatic Province supervolcano off the coast of Sierra Leone

The Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event 65 million years ago, killing off 60% of species, linked to the Chicxulub crater in Mexico and the Deccan Traps supervolcano in India

The verneshot theory is that massive volcanic activity over thousands of square miles coincided with an impact event in the four cases described above.

According to the theory, gas would seep up deep underground in an upwelling of magma like the hotspot which formed Hawaii but on a much larger scale. It would be trapped beneath impenetrable rock known as a craton (continental plate rock). As pressure built up, the gas would crack the craton and blast out at immense velocity. This gas would poison the atmosphere and cause a massive earthquake, enough to level mountain ranges.

The pipe through which the magma and gas had travelled would empty and collapse. A shockwave at hypersonic velocity would hit the remains of the craton and pulverise them with an explosion equivalent to 120 gigatons of TNT. Twenty billion tons of debris would be blasted into the atmosphere and lava would fill the hole left behind. The verneshot impactor (the largest lump hurled out) would then impact elsewhere on Earth.

now... there is a couple of inconsistencies with the above text, the main one being:

The energy yield produced by verneshot scenario (about 100 gigatons of TNT) is far too low to create the Chicxulub crater. The energy is barely sufficient to eject mile-sized crust fragment with orbital velocity.

so basically, 100 gigatons of tnt is not nearly enough to cause the near extinction of all life on earth...

Now, in superman #657, superman is thrown to earth by khyber, and the sheer force with which he hits the planet does the same damage an extinction level event would...

its his own verneshot, but with all the force of 100 gigatons and lots, LOTS more...

Scan #2: Superman battles Khyber high above the Earth, where Khyber defeats him, before hurling him back towards the planet...
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/14.jpg

Scan #3: Superman is thrown at the Earth by Khyber, his own 'verneshot'
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/15.jpg

Scan #4: The after-effects of Superman's impact of the planet...
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/16.jpg

and yet superman survived...

now... khyber may be strong, but i sincerely doubt he can throw superman with the same force that superman himself would use if he were in control of his own flight and heading toward the earth, which leads me to believe that superman can easily take gigaton hits and keep coming...

planets exploding, massive black holes? all a great deal more than 10 gigatons, and yet our boys survived them...

who throws a surfboard? honestly? 😛

The Match:

So with your boards hitting our shield, we implement our plan... already generously posted by rewmac...

If it turns out that our opponents have used the Superman Serum like they did previously (and given Black Alice's obvious vulnerability, its not outside the realm of possibility), once they are all in range, Hal will unveil his second piece of equipment, a massive red sun radiation generator, that will blanket the area for miles around with highly concentrated red sun radiation. Given the ring's charge and Hal's willpower, and if the opponents are close enough, Hal will also create a dome/field to stop the opposition escaping the generators effects. Given Hal's willpower and the ring literally pissing energy, i don't see this strategy being incredibly difficult to implement. With their team weakened (No AS Supes powers, and As Supes himself solely with durok's powers), Hal's ring should still be holding alot of energy, and again, his willpower combined with that should at least be a problem for The Keeper. Maybe Hal can even convert some of the blasts/constructs aimed at him by Keeper by incorporating the converter into his forcefield.

Superman can, imo, take Durok (or AS as Durok), as our Superman will have a decent speed advantage, and superior strength... the blasts would be the only major stumbling block i see him having...

So that leaves Vulcan against Black Alice. Vulcan has undergone extensive training by Charles Xavier, so is going to have the advantage in battlefield tactics, and as shown in the last match, he's an exceptional energy manipulator. Unless she pulls someone like Fate or Shazam out of her ass, she's going down, HARD...

Now, we know that you had given black alice the massive tp ability, but what happens once her superman powers are gone? how is her brain going to process all that information? or have the power to use telepathy that advanced? wihtout the massive kryptonian enhancement she's received (assuming there is one at all with the superman serum, which i'm not sure there is), imo she could easily go into a mental meltdown... if not, i'm pretty confident vulcan's energy manipulation abilities can match her magical forces...

credit to rewmac for providing me with the superman scans...

Blair Wind Post #3. Debating for....well I am basically destroying the other teams feeble hopes 😐

Originally posted by Rewmac
I see Hal Jordan taking out the The Keeper...

No one said that Hal would be going against Keeper.

Our shield is probably one of the strongest is ever created by Hal, it can (and has) stopped telepathy and telekinesis (which is basically what you're doing by trying to manipulate the electrical impulses in their bodies, and we did say uber powerful shield), so once the shield is up i'm really not convinced any sort of mental attack will work.

Please look again at what we have Keeper doing. Stopping electromagnetic impulses, using the quantum bands to DRAIN your energy {both attacks meant to stop the use of your energy. Hal has been drained before it will happen again.}, and turning the oxygen into VX. You die 😄

Originally posted by pr1983
Pr's Second Post (first was nonsensical silly post)
you guys get your prep sorted, and at the start of the match, you get your nightshade sphere up and all that, and create those boards of yours, i can accept that you'll get that, its not a stretch of the imagination, but, and now there's a big but our team will have also gotten its defence sorted.

Your defenses mean nothing. A sphere instantly went around your team, and no matter what you do, your stuck in that sphere. Even your "uber shield" can be taken into the sphere. Once there we already have a million different ways to take you out.

I doubt his [Superman's] solar energy is going anywhere with the shield around our team.

but her powers are magical, and in that is one simple, and totally exploitable flaw, i refer to the arc of teen titans (issue #22 in particular, just before the crisis) where dr. light battles the titans...
He, alone, was able to take control of wonder girl's magic lasso (emphasis on the word 'MAGIC'😉, simply because it (like alot of magic), at its most basic level contains and uses energy...
vulcan manipulates energy, and has shown no limits in the types of energy he can manipulate... i've already shown an energy manipulator (who would be generally considered to be inferior to vulcan in terms of power and scope) manipulate magic, based on the kind of energy it uses...

Now, that girl's darkness was not magic based to my knowledge and he had to try and attack her instead of the darkness. Hell, he hoped she was around. In OUR case, your stuck with only your team, any energy you use gets drained, you start to lose concentration and breath in VX, you have darkness formations knocking you out, and surfboards with atom thin spikes hitting you with 10 gigatons of force. PLUS her stuff is magic based. That gives us the edge.

so i say while rew's boy protects us, and superman uses his heightened senses to try and locate the others, vulcan takes about three seconds to realise that all that surrounds them is energy

Originally posted by pr1983
Pr's Third Post (still nonsensical 🙂)

The Surfboards

So with keeper's telekinetic attacks unable to penetrate our shield, any attempts to take superman's solar energy prevented, and black alice's teleportation sphere made pretty much redundant

that leaves the matter of the atom thin surfboards, which by now have started pounding our shield... but honestly, two of our boys have survived black holes and planets exploding, i'm sure they can last against three boards... and their combat reactions arent exactly slow...

😆 The surfboards are not atom thin. They have spikes that are atom thin. Meaning they cut through ANYTHING, AND hit with 10 GIGATONS of force. Comprende?

vulcan and rew's boy stay within the shield, and we let superman do his thing... superman has been shown to able to fly beyond lightspeed, so he's at least as fast as your boards... second, his combat reaction speed is on par with almost anyone in all of comicdom.....

know right about now blair and dc are going 'wtf? those things hit with the force of 10 gigatons!!!' and yeah, its a high figure...

The Match:
So with your boards hitting our shield

we implement our plan.

Superman can, imo, take Durok (or AS as Durok), as our Superman will have a decent speed advantage, and superior strength... the blasts would be the only major stumbling block i see him having...

So that leaves Vulcan against Black Alice. Vulcan has undergone extensive training by Charles Xavier, so is going to have the advantage in battlefield tactics, and as shown in the last match, he's an exceptional energy manipulator. Unless she pulls someone like Fate or Shazam out of her ass, she's going down, HARD...
Now, we know that you had given black alice the massive tp ability, but what happens once her superman powers are gone? how is her brain going to process all that information? or have the power to use telepathy that advanced? wihtout the massive kryptonian enhancement she's received imo she could easily go into a mental meltdown...

She has 500+ (Keeper and Superman's) years of experience, she has the superman powers, Keeper's power cosmic (we DID say that way back when dude), massive TP/TK. Mental breakdown??? I think not. Considering that you are all stuck being beat up in a teleportation sphere you guys sure have a big imagination to what you wish could
take place.

Now let us re-establish what is ACTUALLY going on.

Black Alice has created a teleportation sphere around your team. You have no defense against this happening, and once there you are dead meat. You have darkness hands punching you all around, and atom slicing spike filled 10 gigaton force surfboards hitting you.

Keeper has siphoned ALL energy from your team, made you lose your concentration, and turned the oxygen into VX. While your two human's have died, superman is being drained of Solar Energy (which would also be helped by Keeper's siphoning), and DC will explain what AS Superman has been doing this whole time.

What can you do to defeat us? Nothing, zilch, nada, niente, rien, zero amounts of anything.

DarkCrawler’s Post #2.

Debating for the characters All-Star Superman and The Keeper

Blair Wind, with his post, already proved that they have no defense against the sphere, nor any of their characters are able to remove it. I would still like to cover up some misconceptions that pr and Rewmac made about our team, particulary about my characters.

First, Keeper.

Rewmac states that Hal could beat Keeper in this way:

And I see Hal Jordan taking out the The Keeper...

Why?

I let you guys know...

Hal makes himself invisible :

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j...rnsa02-09-1.jpg

then phases right into keeper in mili seconds...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j...ntern027-05.jpg

and when inside Keeper he can just blow him up from the inside like here, with making anything huge or just shooting a lot from the inside...Just in case look at here something like this from the inside would take down even The Keeper...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j...-Scanned-20.jpg

First of all, the images don't work.

But still, the whole strategy is simply not going to work. At all.

First of all, he turns invisible? Is that supposed to hide Hal from Keeper? Surprise him? What kind of purpose does that serve?

Why, you ask? Well, Keeper has Silver Surfer's senses AND All-Star Superman's senses COMBINED. He literally has the best senses in the whole TOURNAMENT. He can not only SEE in every possible part of electromagnetic spectrum and on sub-atomic scale, and radio waves, and so on and so on...
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-02.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-03.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8205/assupespl8.jpg
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8802d8ecbb.jpg
He can also HEAR the sound of stars from lightyears away, the sound of meteorites lightyears away, the whisper of butterfly's wing a galaxy away and so on...
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Incredible_Hulk_415-02.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/MCP-069-27.jpg
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8802d8ecbb.jpg
And he can also SMELL the trees in Canada from thousands of miles away:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8802d8ecbb.jpg

Not to mention his cosmic awareness and telepathic sensing.

He will hear, see, smell, feel and probably even taste Hal no matter how far he is, how he tries to hide himself, or what he does. Hal might as well wear pink clothes, carry a gigantic neon sign that says "HIT ME!", dance a stupid dance and sing opera, it makes NO difference in it if Keeper will notice him or not. Nobody will be able to sneak on us.

Next, he phases him in millisecond? Keeper's reaction time is measured in one billionth of one billionth of a second, he is NOT going to be able to surprise him. Keeper will just dodge him or phase himself. Hal has no way of getting on lightyear's radius without Keeper noticing him.

Now, how would fight between Hal and Keeper go? Keeper has Quantum Bands, Power Cosmic and All-Star Superman powers, plus TP and TK. Hal has a GL ring. Keeper beats him in every category, the fight would not go good for Hal.

Next target : All Star Superman

With the membership in the League over the years Hal surely got the knowledge that Superman is weak to Red Sunlight...It takes away his powers. He must know how to create that...I mean he doesn't really have to know just will for it...

So our Superman holding All Star for a nano second Hal can create a box around them then letting Superman out leaving All Star in the box with red sunlight so that means he looses his "Superman" abilities leaving Durok's powers but during All Star gets Red Sun radiotion, why not give our Superman yellow...So that means Durok vs. Sun Dipped Superman and that's where I leave Superman to pr...

Catch and hold Superman? Kidding, right? Forgot about the extra-sensory powers we gave him? He has now teleport. He can just teleport out of any possible hold or construct made by your team. Not only that, but Keeper is draining all the energy your create (And Hal will DIE against him so it makes really no difference), so no red sun light would even touch All-Star Superman.

Your team has NO way of removing our Superman powers without us being able to stop it. Red sunlight is your ONLY choice, and Keeper will absorb it and either just convert it to another energy type or return it back to YOUR Superman.

Everything else is covered in Blair's post. Our original plan still holds.

CORRECTION

SCANS FROM THE LAST PAGE IN THE SAME ORDER I TRIED TO POST ON THE LAST PAGE...

Sorry about it...I didn't realise my mistake...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/greenlanternsa02-09-1.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/GreenLantern027-05.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/Untitled-Scanned-20.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/GreenLanternV403page18.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/300megatins01.jpg

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Hal vs. Keeper...

First Hal as I said is prepped. I'm not saying it should fool Keeper
but even with the reflexes he has he can be beaten in Hal's category.
What is he going to do? Hal is prepped for energy blasts, TP,Tk and flying
towards Keeper at incredible speed. What is he going to do??
Blast him? He can just phase through it or dodge it.
Never mind, if he reaches Surfer he can blow him up. Even with Cosmic Awareness....
Senses alone won't do much good since Hal (or any GL) is master of distraction...
Maybe if creatures are created Keeper can sense the real one even feel it but
when a couple big ass Silver Surfer replicas and Supermans messing around you
(created by Hal) Norrin will fight or start to absorb those creatures and
that's where Hal has his move...He isn't stupid he is a well experienced
"soldier"...
All powerful abilities and Quantum Bands aren't useful
when you can't use them big time...

I'm not trying to say Hal would own The Keeper but with the abilities he possesses,
and I'm not talking about a ring (which power is depending on the users will) I talk about
courage. Hal is relying on the ring of course it's his power but also on his sense which
saved more times than his ring. The ring is on auto-fire and auto-protect plus we
got Jordan who prepped for everything in this battle. So OA power ring will react
to any attack and will counter it...

We are talking about less than seconds "miliseconds" actually, pretty much instantaneously
but that's enough for the ring to scan the person and aid Jordan in the battle.

I still think Hal can reach The Keeper and blow him. Nothing shows me it can't
be done by him.

As for teleport it can overcomed.

Here is what I think.

If he gets his mind crushed by Hal. Who could overcome Despero's mind
but he left himself open for an attack and Bat's made his move (Hal didn't have shield)
So let's say learning from that mistake he keeps up the shield while kinda mindraping All Star,
during he is in a box with red sun radiation and with our Supes in a box with yellow
sun radiation.

I see a sundipped Superman taking out All Star even with his boosts now coz
All Star got too much damage. Physical, Mind and he is ripped from the Kryptonian powers too much damage
to act as fast as a Green Lantern, his ring and Superman together...Plus Hal can amp himself
so there isn't a reason he can't amp our Supes just more with speed, durability and strength.

Some new scans about protection Hal can make...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/JL_Europe-50-11.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/ForDaTourney/JL_Europe-50-12.jpg

Pr's Fourth Post (though i honestly don't see the point in doing it)

Blair Wind Post #3. Debating for....well I am basically destroying the other teams feeble hopes 😐

big talk, and yet, i'm not convinced... 😬

Please look again at what we have Keeper doing. Stopping electromagnetic impulses, using the quantum bands to DRAIN your energy {both attacks meant to stop the use of your energy. Hal has been drained before it will happen again.}, and turning the oxygen into VX. You die

all of this depends on you being able to make your plan work before our team can react... right, as if THAT's going to happen...

Your defenses mean nothing. A sphere instantly went around your team, and no matter what you do, your stuck in that sphere. Even your "uber shield" can be taken into the sphere. Once there we already have a million different ways to take you out.

again, hopeful assumptions... you assume keeper can do all this against guys as experienced and as powerful as ours? seriously?

Dude, Keeper drained your shield, took away your concentration, and turned the oxygen into VX. Superman is the only one alive, but he just got sucked dry. Of solar energy. Any comments?

plenty... most to do with the heavy assumptions you seem to be making... getting all matter of factly when a perfectly good argument has been given to you is kind of, well... petty...

thats alot of overemphasis on your so called 'kicking of our asses' trying to overcompensate? 😛

You are using two characters that have nothing to do with the match in ANY way, then trying to compare them to people in the tourney, and finally using a DC character to prove that a Marvel character MAY be able to affect magic? Circumstantial evidence on what ONE character may do in DC affects nothing on what a Marvel character may do. Besides lets take a look at a few scans here:
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6wi0.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7xn0.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8yo0.jpg

I used two characters to illustrate the point i was making, nothing more... and i know vulcan is marvel, but vulcan isn't the issue here... black alice is... her abilities are magical, so were wonder girl's, thats about it as far as i'm concerned...

that doesnt change the fact that in dc, a magic users powers were susceptible to an energy manipulator...

and as we know, vulcan>doctor light...

that scan was used for nothing more than illustrating the point i was trying to make... that magic, like so many other offensive or defensive weapons, uses magic in one form or another... even this magical darkness... kinetic energy (used to attack or teleport or people) is just one example...

Now, that girl's darkness was not magic based to my knowledge and he had to try and attack her instead of the darkness. Hell, he hoped she was around. In OUR case, your stuck with only your team, any energy you use gets drained, you start to lose concentration and breath in VX, you have darkness formations knocking you out, and surfboards with atom thin spikes hitting you with 10 gigatons of force. PLUS her stuff is magic based. That gives us the edge.

they only used darkness so they could attack him psionically... the darkness was more to give THEM the time to make an attack before he killed another member of the imperial guard... i don't see a great big oan shield around him... which WILL be present by the way...

Protect you? Hal got drained. Next! Superman? seeing past a teleportation sphere......he will only be able to see how stupid he looks in that red underwear. Next! Vulcan has shown no proof that he can manipulate darkness much less magical darkness!

again with the draining? seriously, its not working...

its not simply darkness... you know that as much as i do... to hit them, it will use energy, to teleport them back into the sphere, it will use energy... energy that vulcan, in my opinion, is able to manipulate...

Pr's Third Post (still nonsensical 🙂)

😬

Did you read what we wrote??? Keeper was draining your asses with the Quantum Bands. Making you lose your concentration. Turned the air into VX. SUPERMAN was the one using TP and TK. DC can go into that.

i read every word you wrote, and i came up with a strategy that i believe will be sufficient to combat it... all of it...

The surfboards are not atom thin. They have spikes that are atom thin. Meaning they cut through ANYTHING, AND hit with 10 GIGATONS of force. Comprende?

semantics, nothing more... 10 gigatons? you read my post right? 😕

the spikes may be atom thin, but i'm willing to bet superman's bio aura (which he'd still, imo, have to protect him) and that great big oan shield are enough to stop the spikes...

both are incredibly complex energy matrices, and i'm pretty certain both would operate on a subatomic level... energy like the shield or superman's bio aura would need stability to sustain itself...

Your "faster than a speeding bullet" is doing nothing of the sort. He is currently in a teleportation sphere that is sucking him so dry Lois should be getting jealous.

why are you repeating yourself? i've already explained how he isn't getting drained, and in the event that he was (however unlikely), he can always do this...

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupesAOS647.jpg

that was mere instances after he was bombarded by red sun energy... 😬

and as for his combat reaction speed... he's more powerful (faster/stronger) than when he fought doomsday, and doomsday himself was considered to have incredibly fast reflexes...

not to mention the countless battles with wonder woman, shazam (marvel, not the wizard obviously), mongul, darkseid, and the fact that he was able to keep up with wally west, who was going pretty much as fast as he possibly could on earth...

plus the numerous instances of him building machinery using superspeed... if he can do complex movements with his hands at that speed, i'm willing to bet he can punch as fast as he could ever need to...

coupled with the fact that they have atom slicing spikes on them? Yea I am pretty much going "wtf" are they talking about? How is a unsheilded Hal going to take that attack? CLARK KENT, because that is all he is at the moment, is dead. And Vulcan is dead as well.

another assumption... 😬

Meaning that they have been cut open (or just cut you since they were drained in the first place)

if you say so... 😛

the fact that we gave our team some of the Power Cosmic means nothing to you?? Besides none of our team is going one on one against your team (which we would win anyways dude.)

i never said it means nothing, of course it does, but our team isn't exactly unarmed are they?

one on one? is that with or without the enhancements? 🤨

She has 500+ (Keeper and Superman's) years of experience, she has the superman powers, Keeper's power cosmic (we DID say that way back when dude), massive TP/TK. Mental breakdown??? I think not. Considering that you are all stuck being beat up in a teleportation sphere you guys sure have a big imagination to what you wish could
take place.

she also has a standard human brain... brains are only capable of so much... a dose of red sun, and i honestly don't know how she'll cope... thats what i said, it was part of our game plan...

Now let us re-establish what is ACTUALLY going on.

Black Alice has created a teleportation sphere around your team. You have no defense against this happening, and once there you are dead meat. You have darkness hands punching you all around, and atom slicing spike filled 10 gigaton force surfboards hitting you.

Keeper has siphoned ALL energy from your team, made you lose your concentration, and turned the oxygen into VX. While your two human's have died, superman is being drained of Solar Energy (which would also be helped by Keeper's siphoning), and DC will explain what AS Superman has been doing this whole time.

What can you do to defeat us? Nothing, zilch, nada, niente, rien, zero amounts of anything.

you've said all this already, and as far as i am concerned, we have given a good argument as a counter... its more than good enough for me as things stand...

Pr's Fifth Post

didn't have enough space in the last one to add this...

Why we believe that we can prevail and defeat your team...

your darkness field, we've countered, by the belief that a skilled, powerful energy manipulator can affect the field...

your surfboards, we've countered, by showing that 10 gigatons just isnt sufficient to take our guys down... it would take dozens of hits to do real damage, and our guys have shown impressive speed and reactions during combat that lead me to believe that they aren't going to be hit dozens of times... that and the belief that the energy fields surrounding our characters (cos vulcan has hitched a ride with rew's boy, just in case you were wondering) operate on a subatomic level to maintain stability...

your telepathic/telekinetic/energy sapping attacks, accounted for by the power of our forcefields...

you may ask why i'm so confident, and to be honest, i am, not overly confident, just satisfied that we've made a good argument that could, when considered in full, be capable of defeating your team... our team has two exceptionally gifted tactical thinkers, who have time and time again used their brains and nous to defeat opponents who are at first glance more powerful... they've done it before and i honestly believe they can do it again...

OK, nice to have some posts 🙂

Now I do not have time to deal with everything being said so I will summarize what I can. I will also add a note to the Judges recapping what we will be doing.

Blair's Post #4

In response to Rewmac:
Hal will not be facing Keeper. While we could go into an indepth debate about why and how Keeper will beat Hal we do not need to. With out Superman level reaction speed, and the fact that Keeper shared some of his Power Cosmic in the beginning of the battle we have three light fast respond brains while you have one. Thus meaning that we will pick and choose who we want to fight and how, we have chosen to take you all out. At the same time.

(sidenote *it was bugging me*.....since when can't keeper use the QB well? He's had them for 500 years! Plus he learned to use them to maximum potential)

With all that in mind, on to Pr:
We can react first good sir. Lets look at the facts. Hal has a human mind, Vulcan has a human mind. Superman is the only supercharged mind on your team. While we have three of them at the fullest capacity that you can get (with both Superman's powers and Power Cosmci giving them a mental edge).

Shields are covers from which you hide? Am I correct in that assesment? You are essentially holding yourselfs into a big green forcefield. How does that stop a teleportation sphere from wrapping itself around the shield. Ladies and gentlemen of the court, it does not.

Also it seems they have not taken into account that all three of our characters have done different things at the same time to ensure our victory. While Black Alice has engulfed your team in the sphere, Keeper, thanks to the Quantum Bands that control, absorb, redirect, and are just plain badass when it comes to all energy, has siphoned all your energy. ALL of it. Any energy that you try to use will be drained. As can be shown by this scan:
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=halabsorvedv4.jpg
The GL ring can be drained. And nothing beats the QB bands in terms of absorbing. So yes, our draining will take place.

Now that is just step one of what we have Keeper doing. Thanks to the confusion on part of your team (being that you cannot fly out, and have no energy anymore) Keeper continues on his quest by stopping electromagnetic impulses to your nervous system. Should put you through the loop. The oxygen has been turned into VX and your two unprotected humans have now died. They did not have the reaction speed or proper offense to deal with our attack.

Superman, being defenseless with no shields, has been drained of solar energy.

Taking into account that the atom slicing spiked would slice atoms, I think that your team would be hurting from those attacks. A lot.

NONE of this takes into account that AS Superman has been messing with your team as well. DC can handle that

So your red generator theory will not work (QB's are awesome are they not?! I mean they can absorb the power of a sun! anyone of them!), your team has no energy, Vulcan got taken out in about two seconds, hal got sliced into confetti, and Superman got drained of solar energy.

Now I know all this has been very informal but I do not have much time.

To recap events for the judges:

With our superior reaction times, coupled with their defensive strategy, we wrapped the other team in a teleportation sphere. They can not get out seeing as our next few steps took less then 3 seconds (since they happened simultaneously having three different people do them at the same time.)

Keeper has siphoned any and all energy into the Quantum Bands thus causing our mostly energy based enemies to become non threat worthy.

We teleported the atom slicing spike filled ten gigaton surfboards to knock them around for a while, with spectre owning darkness formations hitting them everywhere.

Keeper stopped their electromagnetic impulses, causing extreme confusion. He then turned the oxygen into VX, thus killing both Hal and Vulcan.

Superman, un-shielded, has been drained of solar energy and mind raped by DC's character.

Honestly, our strategy worked perfectly from the beginning, and I have not seen a reason why it would deviate having to cause us to react to the other team. From the beginning the other team was caught up and effectively beaten. Trinity of Power FTW 🙂

When do judges vote?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
When do judges vote?

Reply to BW

I really don't think that the power only can win.
500 years yeah. But I just gave the straight tactic that I can beat that.
The Keeper goes down in my opinion even though you think he is so much
superior. Power isn't enough to defeat someone...
We haven't seen enough from the Keeper to say that with the right tactics and
usage of the Power Ring he cannot be beaten. You are relying too much on
that reaction time which is also used by our Superman and Green Lantern.
So that won't win your fight.

Pr's 6th Post... also the last, i just couldn't resist replying 😛

Originally posted by Blair Wind
With all that in mind, on to Pr:
We can react first good sir. Lets look at the facts. Hal has a human mind, Vulcan has a human mind. Superman is the only supercharged mind on your team. While we have three of them at the fullest capacity that you can get (with both Superman's powers and Power Cosmci giving them a mental edge).

Our shield goes up as the match starts, not after it starts, AS it starts... 😬

Shields are covers from which you hide? Am I correct in that assesment?

What you call hiding, we call it biding our time...

You are essentially holding yourselfs into a big green forcefield. How does that stop a teleportation sphere from wrapping itself around the shield. Ladies and gentlemen of the court, it does not.

We never said it does, we just decided that manipulating that shield would be a better option than making a futile attempt to break through it or stop it forming...

Also it seems they have not taken into account that all three of our characters have done different things at the same time to ensure our victory. While Black Alice has engulfed your team in the sphere, Keeper, thanks to the Quantum Bands that control, absorb, redirect, and are just plain badass when it comes to all energy, has siphoned all your energy. ALL of it.

You're going to do that THROUGH the shield? i sincerely doubt that...

Any energy that you try to use will be drained. As can be shown by this scan:
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=halabsorvedv4.jpg
The GL ring can be drained. And nothing beats the QB bands in terms of absorbing. So yes, our draining will take place.

it was drained through an umbilical probe...

umbilical:

serving as or containing a conduit through which power is transferred, esp. to a unit that will be or is designed to be ultimately self-sufficient or independent: an umbilical cable for launching a rocket; an umbilical plug for starting jet engines.

see? through which power is transferred... are you seriously suggesting the shield we have up would be susceptible to that?

an umbilical probe would leave us open to an attack like that, but there is no such probe here... just a great big shield around our team...

Now that is just step one of what we have Keeper doing. Thanks to the confusion on part of your team (being that you cannot fly out, and have no energy anymore) Keeper continues on his quest by stopping electromagnetic impulses to your nervous system. Should put you through the loop. The oxygen has been turned into VX and your two unprotected humans have now died. They did not have the reaction speed or proper offense to deal with our attack.

Superman, being defenseless with no shields, has been drained of solar energy.

Taking into account that the atom slicing spiked would slice atoms, I think that your team would be hurting from those attacks. A lot.

NONE of this takes into account that AS Superman has been messing with your team as well. DC can handle that

So your red generator theory will not work (QB's are awesome are they not?! I mean they can absorb the power of a sun! anyone of them!), your team has no energy, Vulcan got taken out in about two seconds, hal got sliced into confetti, and Superman got drained of solar energy.

Now I know all this has been very informal but I do not have much time.

All that is just based on the assumption that you were able to drain our energy... which is a BIG assumption...

With our superior reaction times, coupled with their defensive strategy, we wrapped the other team in a teleportation sphere. They can not get out seeing as our next few steps took less then 3 seconds (since they happened simultaneously having three different people do them at the same time.)

Keeper has siphoned any and all energy into the Quantum Bands thus causing our mostly energy based enemies to become non threat worthy.

We teleported the atom slicing spike filled ten gigaton surfboards to knock them around for a while, with spectre owning darkness formations hitting them everywhere.

Keeper stopped their electromagnetic impulses, causing extreme confusion. He then turned the oxygen into VX, thus killing both Hal and Vulcan.

Superman, un-shielded, has been drained of solar energy and mind raped by DC's character.

Honestly, our strategy worked perfectly from the beginning, and I have not seen a reason why it would deviate having to cause us to react to the other team. From the beginning the other team was caught up and effectively beaten. Trinity of Power FTW 🙂

i read your summary, and while i disagree, i just want to wish you guys good luck... all those assumptions'll need a bit of luck to bear fruit...

nah, i'm just kiddin... 😛

good luck guys, may the best men win...

Blair Wind's Post #Last. Last post of the match too 🙂

Originally posted by pr1983
Our shield goes up as the match starts, not after it starts, AS it starts... 😬

ok.....that has no bearing at all. See the shield is energy in and of itself. The sphere goes around that (and if your shield is big enough it will actually push against itself). Also being that it is energy it will be drained. Thats just the way the cookie crumbles.

What you call hiding, we call it biding our time...

Starhawk stole them from Keeper, and even he knows what they can do.....not much because Keeper just snaps his fingers and gets them back:
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2756/keeper8fightagainststarqi0.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6263/keeper8fightagainststarcw2.jpg

You're going to do that THROUGH the shield? i sincerely doubt that...

All that is just based on the assumption that you were able to drain our energy... which is a BIG assumption...

Judges
They have no way of defeating us. They retreated behind a bubble that will get them no where, and have been stuck in our quiet clever teleportation sphere. All the other factors are still in play, meaning that we have really won the battle. Now on to winning the war in the finals 😈

i read your summary, and while i disagree, i just want to wish you guys good luck... all those assumptions'll need a bit of luck to bear fruit...

Good luck to you as well. May the best team coughUScough win 😛

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No.....the shield gets drained. Siphoned. Absorbed. Taken away from you. Get it?

I think he meant through your darkness shield thingy.

Well .. match is over, GL to both teams.

Ok then this how I see things going

Prep:

No team decided to actually debate on the prep side of things so since no actual side decided to discredit the other I have no choice but to say that each team carried on their prep without a problem.

Battle:

OK then this is the basic layout I have for the match from both sides

pr/Rew: Enter with a giant Red Sun Blast. Create a Giant Green shield both from Hal. Vulcan commences to run interference with Black Alice while Hal Explodes Keeper and then they both beat on Black Alice while AS Supes has been effected by the Red Sun Radiation for the win.

BW/DC: Enter with with a Teleportation Bubble from Black Alice. Keeper effects Hal's nervous system. Drain Superman of his Solar Energy. And then commence to attack them while they are significantly weakened with Atom Slicing shields and Nerve Agent. Afterwards beat on anyone sill alive

Conclusion:
Ok then I'll first address the Superman Issue. The fact is that pr/Rew admited in their opening post that they are going to Red Sun the Battlefield to remove Sueprman's powers from the field. Including their own.

Then they are going to bring up the shield from Hal. Which doesn't counter another shield being put around it from the other team.

Rew you attacked Keeper striaght up with Hal talking about exploding the Keeper. Now while this may be plausable the fact is that you never took into account the Dark Shield or the fact Hal is putting up his own shield. I think this plays into BW/DC's plan more since they have Keeper effecting Hal's nervious system. You never countered this attack which leads me to believe that BW/DCs Keeper attack will work.

So that would mean Hal is out of the match leaving it 2/3 possibly against Vulcan.

pr who tried to show Vulcan getting out the shield by maniplulating it. Lathough your proof is based around another character doing something. While Vulcan may have similar powers possibly the fact remains that Vulcan has never effectes magic and thus I have no reason to believe he can. While maybe in future they will show he cna he has't. This I'm sorry to say is the bane of picking a character with very few appearances.

So I don't believe base on your arguement that Vulcan is getting out of the shield. Supes is already weakened so I don't know how well he will stand up to being drained of all his energy. But I feel he will be weakened enough for BW/DCs team to take him out after Hal is gone.

So uin the end my vote oges to Blair Wind and Darkcrawler

Good job guys from both sides a very civil debate and good luck to whoever goes on.

Here's how I see things:

Prep:
Pr and Rew were outclassed here. Like I had mentioned in the Tourney Odds thread that they needed more punch to it. This was a prime example of why. They got outprepped and predicted like Blair and DC had psychic powers.

Battle: Essentially, it was Pr and Rew trying to cripple their own team and cripple the other at the same time. The only problem with this is All Star Superman is working with more than one powerset at his disposal. 😬 At the end of it, with Blair and DC's strategy, it ends up with Vulcan getting a worse treatment than when Gladiator made him look like a fool.

At the end: At best, All Star Superman is out cold, but Vulcan, Hal Jordan, and Superman are a bloody mess on the floor, in space, whatever.

PR, Rewmac, you're both quality dudes, but this is kind of like Spike Lee playing a basketball game against Michael Jordan. The smaller team gets squashed, though they try.

My vote goes to Blair Wind and Darkcrawler.

If I'm voting... must I seperate it into the Prep/Battle/Conclusion categories?

No....I guess just a vote and at least some explanation would do

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
If I'm voting... must I seperate it into the Prep/Battle/Conclusion categories?

I just did so people knew where I was coming from.

Ok. I have detail, I just was wondering if I had to have specifically-oriented detail. If that makes sense...

Anyways.

I vote DC/BW.

I could argue battle strategy specifics, but I thinks it's easy enough for you guys, PR and Rewmac, to see for yourselves where things went really sour for you.

As anyone can tell, having such an open space at the beginning left the odds a little stacked. I don't know if your priorities dictated that you only had so much time to spend on the writeup, or it was simply a matter of anticipating your opponents' moves. And, while you still made it a worthy tourney match at the end, I felt that most of the debating went in to why you WOULDN'T get owned... and, the other thing was that, with this majority of arguing going into defending yourselves, I felt, as a judge, too many arguments were eft to the benefit of the doubt. Too many "and he should be able to's", "and she probably can do this's", etc. Too much was left with looming doubt, for me to be firmly convinced that your team had the edge. It seemed that BW/DC's trio remained on the pressing offensive, had layed excellent groundwork for their win, and seemed much more convincing in their overall arguments.

So... I vote BW/DC

K then, even with a gf switch, Blair and DC take it.

Congrats guys, and good job to pr/rew.

Unpinning now.