Marvel Street Army versus The Savage Hulk

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok

Well was it PIS? Why does nobody ever shoot Robocop in the mouth? Ok heres the plan....in a CA comic Klaw was going to use CA's shield to destroy the world by emitting sound at a certain frequency that would vibrate with other vibaranuim and craete massive force.

They already have Caps shield, they already have vibranuim and they sure as hell can get a davice that produces noise at a certain frequency. Conidering that they are

a) Genuises
b) Loaded
C) [B] Already have some of the materials they need

Its not illogical that they could do this within an hour im not a genuis in vibranuim or physics so I cant tell you exactly how they will do it but they already ahve some of the materials they need.

Since when did the hulk have a spider sense so that he could tell that Nick Fury is hiding with a sniper gun?

Since when did the hulk have a spider sense and spider reflexes that could enable him to detect Spiderman sneaking up on him or dodge Spiderman's punches.

Well I think it was professor hulk I think this is what you call the current version of the hulk.....but thats why I uped the stakes by using a more powerful device to a more sensitive part of his body

Oh and these things exploded inside his head did they? Bro if they are using bullets its going to be made of downgraded vibranuim or adamantuim...obvoulsy they cant create something like Cap's shield in an hour but both shield and bp have plenty vibranuim and adamantuim.

Well this is the thing the hulk usually uses ground stomps and thunderclaps when he gets rushed. They are not going to do this. the whole idea is to use sneak attack. Either by sniper shot or by Spiderman sneaking up on him. He wont even know that most of them are there. [/B]

Okay, first of all (concerning your idea that an adamantium bullet would kill hulk when shot through the eye)... There is actually no proof that the bullet will KILL the hulk.... he's survived much worth... in fact, it's 100% likely it was a bluff, being that that issue was ABOUT bluffing (as you may recall, Hulk was bluffing too).

As for creating a device which you specifically stated would "DESTROY THE WHOLE WORLD"........... do I need to say any more?

Hulk is far too powerful for any of these characters to beat with anything under than at least a weeks prep. The leader (during Bruce Jones run) had been scheming for years to beat the hulk down.... guess what? He's dead now (or at least supposedly). Who knows how long Nick had planned on sending him into space.... not to mention... he used SENDING him somewhere as oppossed to KILLING him because, believe it or not, EVERYONE has tried to stop him (let alone kill him) and has failed! This fight goes to Hulk 100% of the time.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Okay, first of all (concerning your idea that an adamantium bullet would kill hulk when shot through the eye)... There is actually no proof that the bullet will KILL the hulk.... he's survived much worth... in fact, it's 100% likely it was a bluff, being that that issue was ABOUT bluffing (as you may recall, Hulk was bluffing too).

Its not going through his eyes, its going to be placed in his ear. They device is similar to what wasp did she shrunk to a small enough size and crawled inside his head.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis

As for creating a device which you specifically stated would [b]"DESTROY THE WHOLE WORLD"........... do I need to say any more?[/B]

Yeah you do actually. Well lets put it this way it was going to do ALOT of damage. Everbody in Wakanda would have died for starters. This is what cap said I quote "You've condemned billions of people to certain death." Are we getting the picture now.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis

Hulk is far too powerful for any of these characters to beat with anything under than at least a weeks prep. The leader (during Bruce Jones run) had been scheming for years to beat the hulk down.... guess what? He's dead now (or at least supposedly). Who knows how long Nick had planned on sending him into space.... not to mention... he used SENDING him somewhere as oppossed to KILLING him because, believe it or not, EVERYONE has tried to stop him (let alone kill him) and has failed! This fight goes to Hulk 100% of the time.

Ok im going to ask you a simple question.

a) can spiderman sneak up on the hulk with a cloaking device?
b) is spiderman fast enough to place something inside his ear when he is cloaked and has ueprhuman reflexes and spider sense?
c) If something as powerful as a nuke blows up inside his head will it kill the hulk?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not going through his eyes, its going to be placed in his ear. They device is similar to what wasp did she shrunk to a small enough size and crawled inside his head.

Yeah you do actually. Well lets put it this way it was going to do ALOT of damage. Everbody in Wakanda would have died for starters.

WHY IN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO CREATE A MACHINE THAT WILL FREAKING KILL THEM AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM
ESPECIALLY since they have no knowledge of whether or not it will actually work on the hulk!

Ok im going to ask you a simple question.

a) can spiderman sneak up on the hulk with a cloaking device?
b) is spiderman fast enough to place something inside his ear when he is cloaked and has ueprhuman reflexes and spider sense.
c) If a nuke blows up inside his head will it kill the hulk?

I answer all these questions with this...... How long does it take to make a nuke for EVEN a genius (keep in mind, einstein was a genius, too).

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Okay, I will ellaborate.....

[b]WHY IN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO CREATE A MACHINE THAT WILL FREAKING KILL THEM AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM
ESPECIALLY since they have no knowledge of whether or not it will actually work on the hulk![/B]

Because its going to blow up inside his head!

Originally posted by Rick/Genis

I answer all these questions with this...... How long does it take to make a nuke for EVEN a genius (keep in mind, einstein was a genius, too).

Bro ive explined this 5 million times.

They have most of the materials ALREADY!!!!!!

I already explained what happened in a CA comic , it based on those principles. They are not creating a nuke they are creating vibranuim devices if vibrated at a certain level will create as much power as a nuke

Originally posted by Alfheim

Ok im going to ask you a simple question.

a) can spiderman sneak up on the hulk with a cloaking device?
b) is spiderman fast enough to place something inside his ear when he is cloaked and has ueprhuman reflexes and spider sense?
c) If something as powerful as a nuke blows up inside his head will it kill the hulk?

A) Sure.

B) Sure.

C) No.

Extra Credit:

How long does it take to make a nuke

Not nearly as long as you think, given the appropriate materials.

Does it take under an hour?

For Peter parker and T'Challa?

Assuming they have the proper materials already on hand?

Probably.

and they'd be able to make this nuke, condense it to the size of fitting into the brain via the ear, all in an hour...?

Originally posted by Soljer
C) No.

WHAT? There wouldn't be anything left to regen from.

Originally posted by Soljer
Not nearly as long as you think, given the appropriate materials.

Yup but you need a hell of a lot longer than an hour.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Because its going to blow up inside his head!

Bro ive explined this 5 million times.

[B]They have most of the materials ALREADY!!!!!!

I already explained what happened in a CA comic , it based on those principles. [/B]

wait... now you're saying this NUKE device and this SOUND device are one and the same.... They put a device in his ear and then blast it with sound?

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Originally posted by Rick/Genis
and they'd be able to make this nuke, condense it to the size of fitting into the brain via the ear, all in an hour...?

Hello!!!!

they are not creating a nuke they are creating vibranuim devices that are the equivalent of a nuke.

Furthermore I expliained they already have the materials they need. These people spend billions very years on weapons...sheesh they dont even have to use a nuke once its gets inide his head there are so many wyas he can be taken out.

They dont have to create anything. They just have to find the right materials.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yup but you need a hell of a lot longer than an hour.

Meh. A normal human with a basic understandings of the mechanics of a Nuclear Device could create one in well under a day, given the proper materials.

Geniuses like Peter Parker and the Black Panther? I'm sure an hour will be plenty of time.

But why must they construct it? Why wouldn't shield already have PLENTY of mini-nukes laying around? 😬.

Mini-vibranium sound device nukes that have never been created that small in the known multiverse of marvel? I don't know, this sounds like the first case of DEBATING PIS. Creating a scenario that has never happened and (in all probability) never will.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Sooooo something that can "Destroy the earth" is just going to stay contained inside his head? That's RIDICULOUS logic!

Your not paying attention is not going to be powerful enough to destroy the earth. I said....as powerful as a nuke.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis

wait... now you're saying this NUKE device and this SOUND device are one and the same.... They put a device in his ear and then blast it with sound?

Now your just being stupid. Klaw has already done something similar which was more powerful than a nuke....ok? The whole idea is to create something less powerful which will blow up in his head, where the hulks skull and other tissue will abosrb the impact. Hulks face can take a nuke i dont think his brain can.

So what your telling me is that something like this has been done already but its stupid to think it can be done again. You came here to waste my tiem.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Mini-vibranium sound device nukes that have never been created that small in the known multiverse of marvel? I don't know, this sounds like the first case of DEBATING PIS. Creating a scenario that has never happened and (in all probability) never will.

hello thats what im telling you again.....they....have....most.....of the.....materials......already.....they spend.....billions of dollars every year......the chances are.....they have mini vibranuim stuff.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh. A normal human with a basic understandings of the mechanics of a Nuclear Device could create one in well under a day, given the proper materials.

Geniuses like Peter Parker and the Black Panther? I'm sure an hour will be plenty of time. hell did you know Bp has a Galactus contingency plan?

But why must they construct it? Why wouldn't shield already have PLENTY of mini-nukes laying around? 😬.

You know what i mean?, but I aint even saying a nuke im saying vibarnuim both shield and bp have loads.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh. A normal human with a basic understandings of the mechanics of a Nuclear Device could create one in well under a day, given the proper materials.

Geniuses like Peter Parker and the Black Panther? I'm sure an hour will be plenty of time.

The act of physically assembling such a device would probably take more than an hour even for them IMO.

Originally posted by Soljer
But why must they construct it? Why wouldn't shield already have PLENTY of mini-nukes laying around? 😬.

Umm . . . just because . . .

Originally posted by Alfheim
Look what you got to ask yourself is this...if something as a powerful as a nuke blows up inside Hulk will it knock him out or kill him.
Well maybe it is Robocop aint a comic but hes been in loads of gun battles but has never been shot in the mouth. So im sorry sometimes it is PIS. The fact of the matter is this, you know that this plan could work. You could disagree that it would work within an hour, but there is nothing to say that years of planning cant amke it work.

My plan is fairly decent if I can come up with a decent plan in 5 minuts then its PIS that characters with sueprhuman intelligence cant do it.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Bro its says one hours prep. They dont have to fly anywhere, this means wether they are in Shield HQ, or one of BP's cribs they start there one hours prep there. I already explained to you that Bp is loaded Bp will have some labs in America, you missed that point.

Originally posted by Alfheim

No no no no no no no. Please pay attention....I even highlighted important areas for you to read. You obvoulsy missed it. Most of the materials that they need to do this[B]they already have. Let me explain again... In a CA comic Klaw used CA's shield to try and destory the world. Klaw was going to do this by creating sound which would vibrate at a certain frequency which would make CA's shield react with other vibranuim. Lets look at the points:.[/B]

Originally posted by Alfheim

a) They get one hours prep in shield HQ or one of Bps HQ, no time is lost from travelling, and they already have:
b) Caps shield.
c) Vibranuim, BP and shield are loaded are you telling me that they going to need to spend ages looking for vibranuim?
d) Are you telling me that shield Hq doesnt have devices that are sound based weapons already?
e) Are you telling me an organization like Shield or BP does not already have devices that can be used as bullets or placed inside the Hulks ear [B]already?

Shield and Bp spend billions or millions every years researching and creating weapons. As you can see they dont really need to create anything, its just a matter of finding the right tools.[/B]

Originally posted by Alfheim

I already explained that. Heroes win most of the time if it was realistic this would not be the case. Like I said you decide for yourself if a nuke exploded inside the hulks head would it kill or knock him out...forget the comics...what do you think?

Originally posted by Alfheim

I already expliained. They dont even ahve to create anything they just have to find the right tools.

Originally posted by Alfheim

What are you talking about. Since when did we subtract travel from prep time?

I dont have to show you anything. You decide for yourself wether my plan would work. This is the whole reason why we have these forums to make realistic battles. hell Flash comics should not last more than 3 panels but they've been doing that shit for years.

So both shield and Bp dont have vibranuim bullets already, or devices that can fit in his ear?. They spend billions of dollars every years doin reasearch.

Originally posted by Alfheim

To be quite honest I would prefer Spdierman to sneak up on Hulk. Further more tell me why would the Hulk be thunderclapping and ground stomping when there is nobody to see.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Why would he see the team. Shield and Bp dont have cloaking devices? I dont understand this right...My team is smarter have more resources...and all of a sudden hes going to see them. The Hulk has heightned senses now....what a load of crap.

Since when is travel taken from prep time?

So, we went from an hour prep session to the team having prep at a Shield or BP's HQ. Again, you're full of assumptions. If nothing is stated by the thread starter then everything is at a neutral location. You have only proved that you like to change the thread in order to conform to your plan. 😆

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Mini-vibranium sound device nukes that have never been created that small in the known multiverse of marvel? I don't know, this sounds like the first case of DEBATING PIS. Creating a scenario that has never happened and (in all probability) never will.

You've gotta realize, though, resources are plot devices. Prep is a plot device.

With Prep, Tony Stark can create a new armor specifically for combatting X character. This has never happened, probably never will. But it's well within the realm of possibility.

With Prep, Parker and T'Challa could combine their genius, with T'Challa's and Fury's unlimited resources and come up with something...

No doubt.

The only debating comes in when discussing what that something is and to what extent it could possibly affect the fight.

I'm not even saying that the Hulk loses here. In all probability, he wins. But to discount the possibility of SHIELD and WAKANDA themselves being able to find a way to take down the Hulk within an hour?

....

I'm sure they could think of something.

I mean, I realize the sentence I just uttered is a cop out. The immediate question is, of course, "What? What would they come up with?"

And my only answer would be "I don't know," because, you see, I'm not SHIELD. I'm not Wakanda. I'm not T'Challa, and I'm not Nick Fury.

They are all MUCH more intelligent than I am, and have an immense imagination and resource pool to draw from.

I, on the other hand, do not. My thoughts, considerations, and therefore, imagined possibilites, are much more primitive.

Meh.

I dunno where I'm going with this. I'll just cease rambling now.

🙂.

Originally posted by Badabing
So, we went from a magic vibranium bullet to a nuke that will fit into Hulk's ear? 😖

So now the battle takes place near Shield or in Wakanda. I must have missed that part.....Just checked and there's no mention of location. 😉

And Klaw did this all within 1 hour. Riiiight. 🙄

No, the thread doesn't state the team gets one hour prep in a Shield HQ or BP's HQ, it states "They have 1 hour strategy session and can only bring whatever equipment they can carry on themselves". The rest of your points are moot since they don't start at any HQ. Again with all the assumptions. 😕

Moot point since they don't start at a HQ and they don't have magic bullets or nuke bullets. 😉

Moot point since they don't start at a HQ and they don't have magic bullets or nuke bullets. 😉

The prep is 1 HOUR. That's all they get. They must do everything within an hour.

Spidey no longer has the armor. They don't get prep at an HQ. That's just your assumption.

ONE HOUR accounts for everything. They only have one hour. Get it.

So, we went from an hour prep session to the team having prep at a Shield or BP's HQ. Again, you're full of assumptions. If nothing is stated by the thread starter then everything is at a neutral location. You have only proved that you like to change the thread in order to conform to your plan. 😆

You know what im done. Strategy session is obvoulsy a very similar term to prep, so its not illogical to think that he was saying prep in a different way.

I wonder if Wakanda or SHIELD happen to have any anti-matter generators lying around....

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