this is a good match, especially since masterbruce took away superman's kNite/magic weakness.
Still id give surfer the majority, surfer still would be able to absorb tremendous amounts of energy for this version of superman, he can absorb the solar energy from superman's cells, and with the Mjinor, Surfer would be able to absorb and redirect GL power.
Also Surfer is faster than superman.
Surfer for the win, due to much more versatility on his side w/mjinor.
In my opinion I think Surfer having Mjolnir is not necessary. Just take away his pacifistic attitude and he'll be a beast. He can possibly replicate anything Mjolnir can do via Power Cosmic anyway.
In the end I think Superman wins. GL ring + no magic/kryptonite weakness + Sun dipped Superman spells PAIN for any character.
What's stopping Supes from using the ring to prevent Surfer from draining his energy?
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeWell there are two possibilities.
In my opinion I think Surfer having Mjolnir is not necessary. Just take away his pacifistic attitude and he'll be a beast. He can possibly replicate anything Mjolnir can do via Power Cosmis anyway.In the end I think Superman wins. GL ring + no magic/kryptnote weakness + Sun dipped Superman spells PAIN for any character.
What's stopping Supes from using the ring to prevent Surfer from draining his energy?
One is that Mjolnir could amplify SS's absorbing powers even more because the Hammer is known to do that.
Two the fact that Mjolnir also has it's own quite formiddable absorbing abilities. So SS could theoritcally drain both of Supes sources of energy at the same time without any extra effort on SS.
These may work since Supes would be relying solely on the ring to protect him while SS has two comparble power sources doing it compared to Supes one.
Originally posted by Mindship
If Superman is immune to magic, then SS having Mjolner is nigh pointless. The magic edge is gone; power cosmic already lets the Surfer do whatever Mjolner could (save for godblast). This being so, Supes' gain from the GL ring (AND being sundipped) is far, far greater than SS' with the hammer... unless, Mjolner can be used to AMP power cosmic to unprecedented/Galactus-like levels.If so, Surfer wins.
If not, Supes wins.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well there are two possibilities.One is that Mjolnir could amplify SS's absorbing powers even more because the Hammer is known to do that.
Two the fact that Mjolnir also has it's own quite formiddable absorbing abilities. So SS could theoritcally drain both of Supes sources of energy at the same time without any extra effort on SS.
These may work since Supes would be relying solely on the ring to protect him while SS has two comparble power sources doing it compared to Supes one.
Those 2 possibilities seem possible to me, but there are 2 things that could prevent that from happeneing:
a) It's debatable if Surfer whether with Mjolnir or PC can actually drain Oan energy, and
b) Remember Superman is sundipped. Surfer is faster than normal Supes, but this time Kal-El is sundipped and he could very well be much faster than Surfer. Not to mention stronger. He could possibly speedblitz Surfer and knock his head off.
Even a sundipped Superman isn't faster than the Surfer.
Unless you honestly think that Sundipping amps Superman by the millions. Stronger? Maybe - considering that Superman is NORMALLY around the strength of Thor, and the Surfer now has cosmic might atop of asgardian strength. And he can amp it up even further with the power cosmic. But still definitely not faster.
Also, there is no reason that the Surfer couldn't drain Oa energy, just like there is no reason that a Lantern couldn't drain the power cosmic.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeSurfer is really fast so while Supes maybe faster there is no proof he would be and Surfer is till quite durable.
Those 2 possibilities seem possible to me, but there are 2 things that could prevent that from happeneing:a) It's debatable if Surfer whether with Mjolnir or PC can actually drain Oan energy, and
b) Remember Superman is sundipped. Surfer is faster than normal Supes, but this time Kal-El is sundipped and he could very well be much faster than Surfer. Not to mention stronger. He could possibly speedblitz Surfer and knock his head off.
Oan energy has been drained before hasn't it besides Thor's hammer has already drained Power Cosmic before which is Marvel's Oan enegry kind of.
Originally posted by Newjak
Surfer is really fast so while Supes maybe faster there is no proof he would be and Surfer is till quite durable.Oan energy has been drained before hasn't it besides Thor's hammer has already drained Power Cosmic before which is Marvel's Oan enegry kind of.
Yeah I admit the Surfer is very durable, but we're talking about Superman's strength being increased here. I exagerated by saying he would knock his head off, but it's possible he could still KO him.
I don't think Power Cosmic = Oan energy. They are similar, but that doesn't prove Mjolnir would actually be able to drain the Power Ring.
Also Superman has been stated to have near infinite will, and he has been trained to mastery by Hal Jordan. We've seen Supes being able to take a ring away from a GL(Guy Gardner) by sheer will alone. Supes will + intellect + power ring is a very formidable thing to overcome.
Don't get me wrong Surfer could do it, but I have not been convinced yet.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I don't think Power Cosmic = Oan energy. They are similar, but that doesn't prove Mjolnir would actually be able to drain the Power Ring.
Not to be rude but that's garbage, Oan energy and PC are just two names for different characters and brands in my opinion.
They both do and have similar abilities however that being said
Superman's weakness against Surfer is typically energy manipulation and with the GL ring that can be countered.
Surfers weakness is that he doesn't have h2h skills for beans and giving him a hammer won't fix that at all.
Originally posted by Soleran
Not to be rude but that's garbage, Oan energy and PC are just two names for different characters and brands in my opinion.They both do and have similar abilities however that being said
Superman's weakness against Surfer is typically energy manipulation and with the GL ring that can be countered.
Surfers weakness is that he doesn't have h2h skills for beans and giving him a hammer won't fix that at all.
It still isn't the same thing. They may do the same, but they do not have the same origin. That's like saying that because kryptonite weakens Supes it should weaken Gladiator.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It still isn't the same thing. They may do the same, but they do not have the same origin. That's like saying that because kryptonite weakens Supes it should weaken Gladiator.
No it's not, energy is energy is energy it's how you are able to manipulate it that allows for it's different purposes, orgins mean squat for that.
Anyway the hammer doesn't help SS turn this into a favorable discussion.
Superman's weakness to kyrptonite is gone for this fight and his "weakness" to magic is diminished.
SS wouldn't be able to suck Superman's cells dry before he KO'd Surfer.
Originally posted by SoleranSurfers weakness is that he doesn't have h2h skills for beans and giving him a hammer won't fix that at all.
Uhhmmm...didn't the original poster say that Thor would train him? I thought that meant in more than just the mastery over Mjolnir's powers.
Thor himself is quite an apt combatant, being a warrior god who has millenia of experience.
Originally posted by Soleran
Surfers weakness is that he doesn't have h2h skills for beans and giving him a hammer won't fix that at all.