If it's a lightsaber battle, Bane wins.
By BotS, he knew every move and sequence of the saber staff perfectly (and those are the moves and sequences for all 7 forms, and not just the regular forms, but Kas'im's furthered and perfected forms), and thus would be able to wield one to the same effect as Kas'im.
Sirak, the top apprentice at the BoD Academy was damn powerful; he was able to move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms..and Bane was able to completely outclass him in saber combat; his shatterpoint ability was so great that he was able to sense weaknesses in Sirak's style seconds after the duel began, and constantly throughout the battle, but held back because he wanted to humiliate Sirak, and tire him down first, and towards the end, was able to tool him with one masterful manoeuvre; his movements were faster than the eyes of everyone present could see, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them. And this was while he was still a student, where he's about ten times less powerful than he is in BotS.
He as good as defeated Kas'im in a duel; Kas'im was basically The master of the lightsaber; he mastered every from, every primary art of the saber, and then furthered and perfected each form and constantly refined his skills, and Kas'im was only able to defeat him when he used a style that was alien to Bane. And this was before BotS, where Bane grows about twice as powerful, and gains the orbalisk armour.
While he was choking Quordis to death, Quordis begged him to stop and let them fight with sabers so that he could die with honour, and Bane said that he would be able to just as easily defeat him with a saber, and Quordis agreed. This implies that Bane would have been able to defeat him in seconds with a saber, and Quordis was one of the top sith of a pretty impressive order. Again, this was before BotS, where he grown in power by an exponential amount.
Bane possesses the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps dark side energies and adrenaline into his body, and strengthens his muscles and keeps them constantly flexed. It's also completely immune to the cutting power of even a lightsaber, and covers his entire body, except for his head (the only area where he can be physically affected), and a few joints where the gaps are too small for a lightsaber to pass through anyway.
How does Luke honestly compare? If he really is as good as people make him out to be, he should have had no problems with Lumiya, yet she had him beat. Bane firmly has this.
Originally posted by allfg
If it's a lightsaber battle, Bane wins.By BotS, he knew every move and sequence of the saber staff perfectly (and those are the moves and sequences for all 7 forms, and not just the regular forms, but Kas'im's furthered and perfected forms), and thus would be able to wield one to the same effect as Kas'im.
Sirak, the top apprentice at the BoD Academy was damn powerful; he was able to move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms..and Bane was able to completely outclass him in saber combat; his shatterpoint ability was so great that he was able to sense weaknesses in Sirak's style seconds after the duel began, and constantly throughout the battle, but held back because he wanted to humiliate Sirak, and tire him down first, and towards the end, was able to tool him with one masterful manoeuvre; his movements were faster than the eyes of everyone present could see, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them. And this was while he was still a student, where he's about ten times less powerful than he is in BotS.
He as good as defeated Kas'im in a duel; Kas'im was basically The master of the lightsaber; he mastered every from, every primary art of the saber, and then furthered and perfected each form and constantly refined his skills, and Kas'im was only able to defeat him when he used a style that was alien to Bane. And this was before BotS, where Bane grows about twice as powerful, and gains the orbalisk armour.
While he was choking Quordis to death, Quordis begged him to stop and let them fight with sabers so that he could die with honour, and Bane said that he would be able to just as easily defeat him with a saber, and Quordis agreed. This implies that Bane would have been able to defeat him in seconds with a saber, and Quordis was one of the top sith of a pretty impressive order. Again, this was before BotS, where he grown in power by an exponential amount.
Bane possesses the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps dark side energies and adrenaline into his body, and strengthens his muscles and keeps them constantly flexed. It's also completely immune to the cutting power of even a lightsaber, and covers his entire body, except for his head (the only area where he can be physically affected), and a few joints where the gaps are too small for a lightsaber to pass through anyway.
How does Luke honestly compare? If he really is as good as people make him out to be, he should have had no problems with Lumiya, yet she had him beat. Bane firmly has this.
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Originally posted by allfg
If it's a lightsaber battle, Bane wins.By BotS, he knew every move and sequence of the saber staff perfectly (and those are the moves and sequences for all 7 forms, and not just the regular forms, but Kas'im's furthered and perfected forms), and thus would be able to wield one to the same effect as Kas'im.
Did you just TRY to compare defeating an APPRENTICE, no matter how good, to a master like Luke?
Sirak, the top apprentice at the BoD Academy was damn powerful; he was able to move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms..and Bane was able to completely outclass him in saber combat; his shatterpoint ability was so great that he was able to sense weaknesses in Sirak's style seconds after the duel began, and constantly throughout the battle, but held back because he wanted to humiliate Sirak, and tire him down first, and towards the end, was able to tool him with one masterful manoeuvre; his movements were faster than the eyes of everyone present could see, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them. And this was while he was still a student, where he's about ten times less powerful than he is in BotS.
He as good as defeated Kas'im in a duel; Kas'im was basically The master of the lightsaber; he mastered every from, every primary art of the saber, and then furthered and perfected each form and constantly refined his skills, and Kas'im was only able to defeat him when he used a style that was alien to Bane. And this was before BotS, where Bane grows about twice as powerful, and gains the orbalisk armour.
While he was choking Quordis to death, Quordis begged him to stop and let them fight with sabers so that he could die with honour, and Bane said that he would be able to just as easily defeat him with a saber, and Quordis agreed. This implies that Bane would have been able to defeat him in seconds with a saber, and Quordis was one of the top sith of a pretty impressive order. Again, this was before BotS, where he grown in power by an exponential amount.
Bane possesses the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps dark side energies and adrenaline into his body, and strengthens his muscles and keeps them constantly flexed. It's also completely immune to the cutting power of even a lightsaber, and covers his entire body, except for his head (the only area where he can be physically affected), and a few joints where the gaps are too small for a lightsaber to pass through anyway.How does Luke honestly compare? If he really is as good as people make him out to be, he should have had no problems with Lumiya, yet she had him beat. Bane firmly has this.
Are you stupid? Luke in NJO slices through the skin of Slayers...supposed to be saber resistant....Lumiya got in a single cheap shot. Unless Mara's here...sorry, Luke has this in the bag
uke's so fast, he's a blur of twenty at once
Who's Uke? And provide a quote please.
Bane is damn fast himself, he was able to move at speeds faster than the eyes of trained force sensitives, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them, and this was at a point where Bane was nothing compared to his BotS incarnation, where he's likely 10 times faster.
Did you just TRY to compare defeating an APPRENTICE, no matter how good, to a master like Luke?
The apprentices were on the same level as most of the Masters. And putting emphasis on it is irrelevant when considering that the terms 'apprentice' doesn't quite mean the same thing for the BoD and other orders. Now please, I just provided evidence that Sirak was damn powerful, and Bane completely outclassed and annihilated him, and this was when he was nothing compared to his BotS incarnation.
And Luke's skill makes Kas'im look like nothing.
Bullshit, Kas'im was damn skillful himself, and not only that, but probably the most technically gifted lightsaber duelist ever.
Luke by the Thrawn trilogy would've slaughtered Qordis
Proof? Oh wait... And why are you bringing up Luke's Thrawn incarnation. Oh you really are a fan of irrelevant misdirection, huh?
Are you stupid? Luke in NJO slices through the skin of Slayers...supposed to be saber resistant....Lumiya got in a single cheap shot. Unless Mara's here...sorry, Luke has this in the bag
Sorry, but their skin is only partially resistant. And you can come up with all the excuses in the world, but Lumiya was able to contend with Luke, so he's clearly not as good as you'd like to think.
Originally posted by allfg
Who's Uke? And provide a quote please.
Bane is damn fast himself, he was able to move at speeds faster than the eyes of trained force sensitives, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them, and this was at a point where Bane was nothing compared to his BotS incarnation, where he's likely 10 times faster.
The apprentices were on the same level as most of the Masters. And putting emphasis on it is irrelevant when considering that the terms 'apprentice' doesn't quite mean the same thing for the BoD and other orders. Now please, I just provided evidence that Sirak was damn powerful, and Bane completely outclassed and annihilated him, and this was when he was nothing compared to his BotS incarnation.
Bullshit, Kas'im was damn skillful himself, and not only that, but probably the most technically gifted lightsaber duelist ever.
Proof? Oh wait... And why are you bringing up Luke's Thrawn incarnation. Oh you really are a fan of irrelevant misdirection, huh?
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Sorry, but their skin is only partially resistant. And you can come up with all the excuses in the world, but Lumiya was able to contend with Luke, so he's clearly not as good as you'd like to think. [/QUOTE]
Actually, Lumiya got in one cheap shot and Luke proceed to shoot her down. He lost his HAND and had lung damage.
And Slayer skin is resistant...Skywalkers are just that good
Luke moved at speeds to decimate small armies and wields one saber as if they were 20
You know the drill Lightsnake. Source, Quote, Passage, Page Number, Elaborate...
Sirak was not half as a master, sorry. You provided nothing
1. He mastered multiple forms, and could switch between them in combat.
2. He was so fast that he could move in blurs.
3. Before Bane came along, people believed that he might have been the sith'ari.
4. He was easily unmatched in the academy, number one by leagues, until Bane came along of course.
5. Quordis believed that it wouldn't be too long before he surpassed all the masters in the BoD, even Kaan and Kas'im.
And really, you're not looking at this properly.
1. Bane outclasses him, toyed with him, and annihilated him.
2. This was at a point in time where Bane was probably ten times less powerful than he became in BotS.
Yeah, but Luke>>>>>>Kas'im, so?
1. Proof?
2. You're missing the point. bane did this before his huge power surge in BotS, and before obtaining the orbalisk armour.
Actually, Lumiya got in one cheap shot and Luke proceed to shoot her down. He lost his HAND and had lung damage.
And Slayer skin is resistant...Skywalkers are just that good
Bullshit, that's a lie, they've only been stated to be somewhat resistant. Now please, provide proof (quotes, page numbers) or be quiet with the 'Skywalkers are that good' crap.
Originally posted by allfg
You know the drill Lightsnake. Source, Quote, Passage, Page Number, Elaborate...
1. He mastered multiple forms, and could switch between them in combat.
2. He was so fast that he could move in blurs.
3. Before Bane came along, people believed that he might have been the sith'ari.
4. He was easily unmatched in the academy, number one by leagues, until Bane came along of course.
5. Quordis believed that it wouldn't be too long before he surpassed all the masters in the BoD, even Kaan and Kas'im.
1. Bane outclasses him, toyed with him, and annihilated him.[/Quote]
So?
2. This was at a point in time where Bane was probably ten times less powerful than he became in BotS.
1. Proof?
2. You're missing the point. bane did this before his huge power surge in BotS, and before obtaining the orbalisk armour.
Bullshit, that's a lie, they've only been stated to be somewhat resistant. Now please, provide proof (quotes, page numbers) or be quiet with the 'Skywalkers are that good' crap.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Here's the drill: you know full well what I refer to.
No I don't, so please provide for what I asked for, or go home.
Same for Luke
1. I'm not arguing that Sirak is more powerful than Luke you moron, I'm explaining how powerful Sirak was, and how Bane was able to toy with and decimate him when he was far from how powerful he is in BotS.
2. Source for this (and by source, I also mean quote, passage, page number...)?
And Luke's faster. Far faster
I'm not arguing that Sirak is more powerful than Luke you moron, I'm explaining how powerful Sirak was, and how Bane was able to toy with and decimate him when he was far from how powerful he is in BotS.
By fawning students
Yay for unsupported assumptions.
Wow, so?
So Sirak as very powerful, and Bane was able to toy with him, and tool him, when he was about ten times less powerful then he became in BotS, and before he obtained his orbalisk armour.
And Luke surpassed all of them, so?
[Quote]I'm not arguing that Sirak is more powerful than Luke you moron, I'm explaining how powerful Sirak was, and how Bane was able to toy with and decimate him when he was far from how powerful he is in BotS.
[quote]And really, you're not looking at this properly.
1. Bane outclasses him, toyed with him, and annihilated him.[/Quuote]
So?
1. Sirak was very powerful.
2. Bane toyed with him, and decimated him.
3. This was when Bane was about ten times less powerful then he becomes in BotS.
4. This is before he obtains the Orbalisks.
You do realise that I can just say "So?" to everything you post about too like an annoying punk, right?
So?
So Bane > your Mum.
So? Luke's displayed more power in the last few bits of TuF..
"You're missing the point. Bane did this before his huge power surge in BotS, and before obtaining the orbalisk armour."
The Unifying Force's the source. We saw them slashed with sabers that left only small marks
Yet they were clearly not 100% resistant to the lightsaber, so moot point.
Bane loses. Get over it.
1. Bane's technically more gifted.
2. Bane's arguably as skillful as Luke.
3. Bane possesses orbalisk armour which keeps him constantly pumped out to the max, and protects his entire body except for his face. Luke would have to be leagues better than Bane with a saber (and I still see no proof that he was better, period) because of the added advantage of the orbalisks, and he's not. Bane wins.