The reason why it is funny and sad at the same time is because I can already imagine him in the doctors office negotiating with his doctor about this whole "Sex Change". It is really funny. But yet sad. I doubt he made it to puberty nor is even in high school yet. Too young, the austrians have there ways but I doubt it would ever happen in the states.
Originally posted by Yuna_And_Tidus
Would you want someone to laugh at you because you were born different and had no control over it?
This may put sex change doctors out of business, but he should find a female who is gay and wants a male body, and find an indian/african/haitian shaman, and get those two souls switched.
Originally posted by Yuna_And_Tidus
Nothing much to say about that except that it must suck not to know what you are.
Actually it sounds, from the article at least, that "Kim" knew exactly what she was, but simply didn't have her body on her side.
No disrespect to the person, but that is freaking insane. It was a guy, and now they 'claim' that because he is basically just gay now 'he' is a 'she' and needs a sex change? Deal with it buddy! Panzy if you ask me.
Actually that is unlikely to be the case. In Australia at least this kind of procedure is often only possible after more then a little counselling, meeting with psychologists and the like. It is not really ethical for doctors to proscribe gender reassignment to someone who is simply incapable of accepting homosexuality (the whole "oh my God, I love men and I am a man... but I'm not some sick gay, I must simply be a women trapped in a mans body."
And this kind of case, when it is a real case, is not really about homosexuality, especially here where the child has been female in nature if not body since a young age, long before any question of sexual orientation is possible. I am not concerned by the concept of sex change operations or anything else, the only question here is the age of the individual, but then again the reasoning behind doing it at such a young age is plausible.
This may put sex change doctors out of business, but he should find a female who is gay and wants a male body, and find an indian/african/haitian shaman, and get those two souls switched.
And meanwhile in the real world...
Originally posted by The Black Ghost
No disrespect to the person, but that is freaking insane. It was a guy, and now they 'claim' that because he is basically just gay now 'he' is a 'she' and needs a sex change? Deal with it buddy! Panzy if you ask me.
Transgender and sexual orientation are two different things, buddy....Try again.
A transgender is someone who is doused with a hormone during the hormone bath that we all go through, just enough to make them physically of that gender, but not enough to make them mentally that gender.
Originally posted by Draco69
He's too young. He's barely begun puberty. (Since he's male biologically, he starts puberty later than girls do...) And he doesn't have the maturity to understand what's happening to him.It's wrong and they should wait until he's an adult.
yeah.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
This may put sex change doctors out of business, but he should find a female who is gay and wants a male body, and find an indian/african/haitian shaman, and get those two souls switched.
😂
either way. IMO, its freaky, but its his/her/*shrugs* choice.
Originally posted by Draco69
He's too young. He's barely begun puberty. (Since he's male biologically, he starts puberty later than girls do...) And he doesn't have the maturity to understand what's happening to him.It's wrong and they should wait until he's an adult.
So she can be mocked and ridiculed? It's not just a nip/tuck, snip/snap procedure; it takes months, and years to complete. The girl is 12; she knows if she's a guy or a girl already. It's not like she was born an intersex person and was made into a boy. I respect your opinion, but knowing transgenders leads me to disagree.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
ok, this reality check is coming from a smurf................Imperial_Samura...........
Anticrust ...............Smurf
Hmmm, stinging.
Fact One - Being gay rarely has anything to do with proper sex change cases, only when people have some sort of suppressed homosexuality and can't accept it and thus look for ways out of it (ba hah! I must actually be a women!)
Fact Two - A "female who is gay" is a lesbian, and being a lesbian does not actually mean she wants to be a man. See, this is different from the person who wants to change genders because they can't accept being homosexual. An open lesbian accepts their homosexuality, and most likely will want to remain a women.
Fact Three - While it is nice to have faith and all, there is a reason why psychologists don't advocate finding a Haitian shaman to fix ones problems. Maybe it is the lack of scientific evidence for soul switching, maybe it is just because this is 2006 and not pre-industrial revolution times.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hmmm, stinging.Fact One - Being gay rarely has anything to do with proper sex change cases, only when people have some sort of suppressed homosexuality and can't accept it and thus look for ways out of it (ba hah! I must actually be a women!)
Fact Two - A "female who is gay" is a lesbian, and being a lesbian does not actually mean she wants to be a man. See, this is different from the person who wants to change genders because they can't accept being homosexual. An open lesbian accepts their homosexuality, and most likely will want to remain a women.
People don't understand that Gender identity and Sexual identity are two different things. One's a physical class, while the other is a social class.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
So she can be mocked and ridiculed? It's not just a nip/tuck, snip/snap procedure; it takes months, and years to complete. The girl is 12; she knows if she's a guy or a girl already. It's not like she was born an intersex person and was made into a boy. I respect your opinion, but knowing transgenders leads me to disagree.
It's medically stupid to an sex change operation at the cuspice of puberty.
What does a sex change operation entail? He'll be pumped full of estrogen and he'll have her genitals shaped into female genitals.
What happens during puberty? EVERYTHING changes. Your body begins releasing loads of testestrone and other male hormones into your body.
It's astoundingly stupid and dangerous for the boy to have sex change with all these changes occurring ALREADY in his body.
If they do the operation, he'll be quite literally a freak of nature until puberty is over ( I don't even want to think of the results). His body will be trying to make the boy into a functioning adult male...and the doctors will have botched operation of trying to change him into a female. He'll have high levels of estrogen AND testoterone in his body in the same time and the enormous chemical balance will f**k up not only his body but his brain as well.
That's why sex change patients usually have to wait until their late twenties to mid-thirties (midlife is a second puberty of sorts) to have an operation.
The boy will never grow right. His body will violently react to the estrogen invasion and his body's chemical balance will implode.
If they're stupid enough to go through with this, in few short years, the boy won't be a boy OR a girl. He'll be something all together....
Originally posted by Draco69
It's medically stupid to an sex change operation at the cuspice of puberty.What does a sex change operation entail? He'll be pumped full of estrogen and he'll have her genitals shaped into female genitals.
What happens during puberty? EVERYTHING changes. Your body begins releasing loads of testestrone and other male hormones into your body.
It's astoundingly stupid and dangerous for the boy to have sex change with all these changes occurring ALREADY in his body.
If they do the operation, he'll be quite literally a freak of nature until puberty is over ( I don't even want to think of the results). His body will be trying to make the boy into a functioning adult male...and the doctors will have botched operation of trying to change him into a female. He'll have high levels of estrogen AND testoterone in his body in the same time and the enormous chemical balance will f**k up not only his body but his brain as well.
That's why sex change patients usually have to wait until their late twenties to mid-thirties (midlife is a second puberty of sorts) to have an operation.
The boy will never grow right. His body will violently react to the estrogen invasion and his body's chemical balance will implode.
If they're stupid enough to go through with this, in few short years, the boy won't be a boy OR a girl. He'll be something all together....
Originally posted by Nellinator
In sex changes they remove the testicles. Testerone is produced in the testis and he/she won't have to worry about the effects of testerone interfering with the estrogen after that.
That's not entirely true. It's been found in many cases, that if the testes are somehow defunct or not producing testosterone, the brain itself will do it.
And puberty involves far more than just simple male testosterone and female estrogen. The brain is a very big component of puberty.
Several hormones such as GnRh, FSH, and androgens are also released during male puberty. Such a violent operation would radically disrupt the flow of these hormones not to mention the function. So many things can go wrong.
Not to mention what would happen when the endocrine system kicks in.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hmmm, stinging.Fact One - Being gay rarely has anything to do with proper sex change cases, only when people have some sort of suppressed homosexuality and can't accept it and thus look for ways out of it (ba hah! I must actually be a women!)
Fact Two - A "female who is gay" is a lesbian, and being a lesbian does not actually mean she wants to be a man. See, this is different from the person who wants to change genders because they can't accept being homosexual. An open lesbian accepts their homosexuality, and most likely will want to remain a women.
Fact Three - While it is nice to have faith and all, there is a reason why psychologists don't advocate finding a Haitian shaman to fix ones problems. Maybe it is the lack of scientific evidence for soul switching, maybe it is just because this is 2006 and not pre-industrial revolution times.
I'm not an advocate of Indian Shamans, I merely stated a fact according to their understanding....and I understand that some gay men WANT and are sexually attracted to a man, so getting changed into a woman nullifies the entire sexual kick.
Originally posted by Draco69
That's not entirely true. It's been found in many cases, that if the testes are somehow defunct or not producing testosterone, the brain itself will do it.And puberty involves far more than just simple male testosterone and female estrogen. The brain is a very big component of puberty.
Several hormones such as GnRh, FSH, and androgens are also released during male puberty. Such a violent operation would radically disrupt the flow of these hormones not to mention the function. So many things can go wrong.
Not to mention what would happen when the endocrine system kicks in.
Originally posted by Nellinator
It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. It is not likely that the brain (the pituitary to be more precise) will start producing testosterone. FSH will have no effect if the testis are gone and nor will LH. The testis need to be present for them to work.
The brain basically turns on the testes. If they don't light up, the brain will take matters into it's own hands and start making it itself.
Also the endocrine system unfortunately won't really care and just start pumping out chemicals as if normal male puberty were happening.
It's just not smart. You don't put pink icing on a cake that's still baking...
Originally posted by Draco69
It's medically stupid to an sex change operation at the cuspice of puberty.What does a sex change operation entail? He'll be pumped full of estrogen and he'll have her genitals shaped into female genitals.
What happens during puberty? EVERYTHING changes. Your body begins releasing loads of testestrone and other male hormones into your body.
It's astoundingly stupid and dangerous for the boy to have sex change with all these changes occurring ALREADY in his body.
If they do the operation, he'll be quite literally a freak of nature until puberty is over ( I don't even want to think of the results). His body will be trying to make the boy into a functioning adult male...and the doctors will have botched operation of trying to change him into a female. He'll have high levels of estrogen AND testoterone in his body in the same time and the enormous chemical balance will f**k up not only his body but his brain as well.
That's why sex change patients usually have to wait until their late twenties to mid-thirties (midlife is a second puberty of sorts) to have an operation.
The boy will never grow right. His body will violently react to the estrogen invasion and his body's chemical balance will implode.
If they're stupid enough to go through with this, in few short years, the boy won't be a boy OR a girl. He'll be something all together....
I agree with you on the most part, but all of what you said is very subjective....We don't know if she's already in his puberty stage yet or not, for all we know she might be. And like Nellinator said, the testes need to be present for testosterone to be pumped; sure, the brain can do it, but her brain is wired to be a girl.
Now as for the "correctness" of this surgery; I agree in that she should wait--if it were me, I would wait. But when it comes down to it, she'll have a much better life if she does it now than if she does it when she's in her late twenties.
Originally posted by Draco69
The brain basically turns on the testes. If they don't light up, the brain will take matters into it's own hands and start making it itself.Also the endocrine system unfortunately won't really care and just start pumping out chemicals as if normal male puberty were happening.
It's just not smart. You don't put pink icing on a cake that's still baking...