If Odin can't use his powers then he loses. Odin is a pure asgardian male and can only lift 90tons max (This is what Marvel says). Thor is stronger because he is a hybrid (His mother is Gaia). Without Odin's powers then I don't see class 90 strength hurting Hulk enough in the beginning to KO him. Thus Hulk gets stronger and wins.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666Well Prime has done at least something impressive and there could an arguement made somewhat but this is no go.
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Honestly there is a very key point that everyone is overlooking no matter how much you want to say and that is no matter what I don't see how Hulk could put down Odin.
Would a punch really be enough to knock out a Skyfather level being for the win I doubt it.
Odin without amping is unkown just how strong he is. Fact is Odin has never been shown without the Odin Power so to say he would significantly weaker then his other showings goes without fact.
Hulk for all his talk of Infinite has been knocked many times before. Titannus did it in three blows. Thanos man handles the Hulk all the times they've met and he didn't amp himself up on panel. To think a Skyfather level being could't KO the Hulk is going against what has been shown before.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well Prime has done at least something impressive and there could an arguement made somewhat but this is no go.Honestly there is a very key point that everyone is overlooking no matter how much you want to say and that is no matter what I don't see how Hulk could put down Odin.
Would a punch really be enough to knock out a Skyfather level being for the win I doubt it.
Odin without amping is unkown just how strong he is. Fact is Odin has never been shown without the Odin Power so to say he would significantly weaker then his other showings goes without fact.
Hulk for all his talk of Infinite has been knocked many times before. Titannus did it in three blows. Thanos man handles the Hulk all the times they've met and he didn't amp himself up on panel. To think a Skyfather level being could't KO the Hulk is going against what has been shown before.
It is quite known by most Thor fans how strong Odin is without amping up. He is a pure asgardian. Don't you know how strong this race is?
Even marvel themselves has Odin at 90tons strength (which makes him the strongest pure asgardian). Thor is hybrid and thus much stronger.
This fight is like Hulk fighting a skilled somewhat weaker Thing (he is skilled already though).
Originally posted by h1a8Correction that is what Odin might be without the Odinpower. He has never been shown without his power so no one truley knows what his strength level is.
It is quite known by most Thor fans how strong Odin is without amping up. He is a pure asgardian. Don't you know how strong this race is?
Even marvel themselves has Odin at 90tons strength (which makes him the strongest pure asgardian). Thor is hybrid and thus much stronger.
This fight is like Hulk fighting a skilled somewhat weaker Thing (he is skilled already though).
Also he still has the Odin Power he just can't use it to amp his strength even more. although we do not know what his base strength is with Odinpower. It could still put him high up in strength at base. No one truely knows.
Although the question remains how is Hulk going to put Odin down with just punches. He still has the Odinpower so it's not like Hulk can KO him.
Unless of course someone wishes to remove the Odinpower from from which Isay we've never truley seen Odin without the Odinpower so true determination can not be made as to how strong he truely is.
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Originally posted by Newjak
Correction that is what Odin might be without the Odinpower. He has never been shown without his power so no one truley knows what his strength level is.Also he still has the Odin Power he just can't use it to amp his strength even more. although we do not know what his base strength is with Odinpower. It could still put him high up in strength at base. No one truely knows.
Although the question remains how is Hulk going to put Odin down with just punches. He still has the Odinpower so it's not like Hulk can KO him.
Unless of course someone wishes to remove the Odinpower from from which Isay we've never truley seen Odin without the Odinpower so true determination can not be made as to how strong he truely is.
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Are you saying Marvel (the ones who created him) don't know what his strength level (even after they posted it) is? I guess I just pulled those numbers out of my arse then and Marvel had nothing to do with it.
Your average human male can lift maybe 100-150lbs. over their head. The strongest humans can lift probably around 500lbs. This is a little more than 3times the average. Marvel states that an average asgardian males can press about 30tons. Odin can press 3times this as he's the strongest asgardian.
Originally posted by h1a8You do know Marvel gets it wrong all the time right. Look at Namor he is only listed a certain strength level but Darkcralwer has shown him consistently getting over that limit by large sums. So yeah handbook strength levels are sometimes off if you ask me. Plus there is no evidence to suggest Odin lower then the class 100 ton category.
Are you saying Marvel (the ones who created him) don't know what his strength level (even after they posted it) is? I guess I just pulled those numbers out of my arse then and Marvel had nothing to do with it.Your average human male can lift maybe 100-150lbs. over their head. The strongest humans can lift probably around 500lbs. This is a little more than 3times the average. Marvel states that an average asgardian males can press about 30tons. Odin can press 3times this as he's the strongest asgardian.
Odin w/ Odinpower= Won't be knocked out by Hulk and base level unkown probably higher than Thor's
Odin w/o Odinpower= Unkown everything
So either way Odin wins or we don't have enough information to really gauge the fight 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
You do know Marvel gets it wrong all the time right. Look at Namor he is only listed a certain strength level but Darkcralwer has shown him consistently getting over that limit by large sums. So yeah handbook strength levels are sometimes off if you ask me. Plus there is no evidence to suggest Odin lower then the class 100 ton category.Odin w/ Odinpower= Won't be knocked out by Hulk and base level unkown probably higher than Thor's
Odin w/o Odinpower= Unkown everything
So either way Odin wins or we don't have enough information to really gauge the fight 😬
Fact 1: If Marvel (especially the original writers) says a character has a certain strength and that they haven't ever been shown to lift more in comics. Then it is valid.
Note: The burden of proof is really on you to show that he can lift more than 90tons without the Odin force. This is the scientific method and law of logic. Thus he can't since no pure asgardian has lifted more than 90tons in comic history.
And for the Namor thing. Marvel writers (especially in the past-80s on down) don't know jack about science or what certain things weigh. Nearly every Namor writer (except the original creator) has contributed to the handbook that Namor lifts up to 100tons (in contact with water). For more info, I can give you a link to marvel's website showing you how each handbook is made (Where they go to the actual writers if not the original writers themselves). I will always put him on the strength level of Thing or Colossus (but that's pushing it). Also know that in times of great stress any character (including humans) can lift beyond their said capacities. For example, Spiderman has lifted much more than 20 tons on numerous ocassions (especially when he braced a corner of a thousands of tons multistory building). But people still accept the fact that he is class 20 (use to be 10-15).
without power at all, hulk totals odin. if odin is ONLY allowed to amp his strength with his power and do NOTHING else with it, it would be interesting for a long time. nj raises a good point -- it seems unlikely to think that odin would be ko'd physically.
the thing with hulk is: on the forums he is always seen with his 'theoretical' strength. his on-panel showings ARE very contradictory.
the source of hulk's strength is 'supposedly' limitless.
odin draws on a 'supposedly' limitless reserve as well.
if both are looked at with ONLY their theoretical abilities (and odin ONLY amping -- not healing, not blasting or matter manipulating, etc . . .) it's an interesting question.
again, could odin take out by purely physical means the wielder of the power gem?
Originally posted by leonidasIt's hard to say like you and I have said Hulk's on panel showings show that Odin probably even without the power to amp himself with the Odinforce should still be ubeatable by Hulk standards because last time I checked Skyfathers don't go down like that. Plus his base strength with the Odinforce is unkown.
without power at all, hulk totals odin. if odin is ONLY allowed to amp his strength with his power and do NOTHING else with it, it would be interesting for a long time. nj raises a good point -- it seems unlikely to think that odin would be ko'd physically.the thing with hulk is: on the forums he is always seen with his 'theoretical' strength. his on-panel showings ARE very contradictory.
the source of hulk's strength is 'supposedly' limitless.
odin draws on a 'supposedly' limitless reserve as well.if both are looked at with ONLY their theoretical abilities (and odin ONLY amping -- not healing, not blasting or matter manipulating, etc . . .) it's an interesting question.
again, could odin take out by purely physical means the wielder of the power gem?
Some would say that his abse power with the Odinforce would be the same if he didn't have it but there is a flaw in that logic. No one has ever seen an actual odinpowerless Odin so besides one Handbook showing no one truely knows what his abse level of strength would be without his "magical power"
The thought is that he would be 90 tons somwhere past a normal Asgardain. Which may have merit but is completely without concrete facts to back it up. I would also like to point out that a fellow Skyfather Zeus without showing any amping actually was holding Mjolnir and Thor was shocked. Zeus is supposed to be equal to Odin. So that would point to the idea that Skyfathers still have great physical strength to go along wit htheir great magical power. Seeing how Hulk can't even lift the Hammer.
Now in a theoritcal match Hulk is supposed to be unlimited but he still grounded to the idea of physical planes. Odin using his full power isn't apprantly. So while the power sources may be comparable the effect and overall showings would say that Odin should be able to out amp Hulk alot faster and probably KO the green giant rather quickly in a match.