List of Islamic terrorist attacks from 2001 - 2003
List of Islamic terrorist attacks in 2004
List of Islamic terrorist attacks in 2005
list of Islamic terrorist attacks in 2006
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This is excluding Iran's for example, execution of its own people for crimes which are considered s in accordance to shairia (They are the second in the world after China), also Saudi Arabia..etC.
Beslan school crisis - 344 civilians died, of those 186 children
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Because I have other shit to do, than do your research for you.And if you never heard of Beslan, terrorism in India, or Jihad in Ethiopia etc... then thats really not my problem.
You claim that Islamic States (not terrorism) kill more people than the war in Iraq.
That is bullshit. I don't have time to add up all the single attacks you gave there (and it doesn't matter since it wasn't Islamic states that did that) but the war in Iraq killed a minimum of 60 000 ... just...doesn't compare.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You claim that Islamic States (not terrorism) kill more people than the war in Iraq.
Is this the one your referring too? She said Islamic groups as well.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is a stupid comparison.Islamic state kills more of its people, than America does in Iraq. Not only their people, but neighbouring people too.
Or rather, to rephrase, Islamic groups and/or states are involved in far more conflicts around the world than America is.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That is bullshit. I don't have time to add up all the single attacks you gave there (and it doesn't matter since it wasn't Islamic states that did that) but the war in Iraq killed a minimum of 60 000 ... just...doesn't compare.
No they dont seem to come to 60,000. Is the 60,000 supposed to represent people killed by America? I think Saddam Hussien killed alot of people but I dont think it was due to Islam it was more of him being a b*****.
If you add up the the terrorism and murders by Islamic states then I guess it could come to more than 60, 000, but it depends on your defintion of islamic state. Then of course you could include what America did in S.America. srug
Originally posted by Alfheim
Is this the one your referring too? She said Islamic groups as well.No they dont seem to come to 60,000. Is the 60,000 supposed to represent people killed by America? I think Saddam Hussien killed alot of people but I dont think it was due to Islam it was more of him being a b*****
She said "Let me rephrase" and then said something completely different. ..the second claim is true, if she doesn't agree with the first she should state so, since it is not true.
I would count most deaths in Iraq since 2003 on America's body count...seeing as it is their war...
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I rephrased, and it is pretty clear what it says.Actually, your stupid, baseless claim that America killed more people, than Islamic state and/or Islamic groups is the one which needs proof.
I bothered to provide actual statistics.Where did the 60 000 come from?
That is not my claim...which you would know if you'd read. I said that America killed more people in Iraq then Islamist States kill...
Muslimscholars claim, as you pointed out is also idiotic, but since you have taken care of that, I thought I'd point out where something else is incorrect.
Or are you really saying that more people get killed by Islamic states than the US killed in Iraq? That Islamist groups are involved in way more conflicts than the US .. I totally agree with, I am with you on that.
Originally posted by Bardock42
She said "Let me rephrase" and then said something completely different. ..the second claim is true, if she doesn't agree with the first she should state so, since it is not true.
Well I thought if you say "rephrase" that is negating the previous statement. At any rate it just seems like a *** for tat argument. Yeah we know that alot of people are killed in the name of Islam. I just get pissed off when people say Islam is the religon of peace. I do know the West isnt perfect either.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I would count most deaths in Iraq since 2003 on America's body count...seeing as it is their war...
Yeah but I think alot of muslims are killing by other muslims. In any case America should not have invaded their in the first place. The whole thing is ****ed up.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I rephrased, and it is pretty clear what it says.Actually, your stupid, baseless claim that America killed more people, than Islamic state and/or Islamic groups is the one which needs proof.
I bothered to provide actual statistics.Where did the 60 000 come from?
Well, different sources, I basically looked up google and there was a Washington Post article stating 100 000, and there was Then there was this civilian Iraqui Body count stating 62 000 civilian casulties since the intervention (of course that includes kills by Iraq, but they wouldn't have happened if the US had attacked Iraq, now would they? Then there are at least 3000 American soldiers killed and a lot more Iraquis, though I haven't found any numbers on that...so, I would say a minimum of 60 000 is reasonable. If you have other statistics, I will be delighted to hear them.
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Indonesian (largest muslim nation on the planet) genocide of East Timorese was, according to John Pilger, around the 500,000 figure.
Ottoman Turkish genocide of Armenians, estimated at around 2 million.
various African wars and conquests by Arab forces during the early expansion of Islam ...
quite a lot went down, just that Europe is more self-critical and English is the lingua franca of the world, making study of European perfidity easier to access than others.
Originally posted by janus77
Indonesian (largest muslim nation on the planet) genocide of East Timorese was, according to John Pilger, around the 500,000 figure.Ottoman Turkish genocide of Armenians, estimated at around 2 million.
various African wars and conquests by Arab forces during the early expansion of Islam ...
quite a lot went down, just that Europe is more self-critical and English is the lingua franca of the world, making study of European perfidity easier to access than others.
Ok I think that just killed it! 😆
By the way what African wars? I was under the impression alot of Africans converted through contact with the Arabs. They then waged war on the pagan Africans like in Nigeria. Im quite sure my tribe the Mandingo converted.
I know the Arabs had African slaves but nowhere bad as the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
yes, by African wars I meant the convert+Arab verus 'pagan' conflicts, there's some articles that go into this on Znet, but not much, as far as I'm aware.
sorry about the way I seem to just plop bits of argument and rant-y passages down, been having these conversations for more or less a decade, offline. and have gotten fed-up with naive views of Islam and race and culture etc...
when I was at school, we were taught that Europeans were the only slave holders/traders of note. later I started to see how prominent the Arabs were in the slave trade, how prominent Jews and certain African tribes were in the business too... it's a much muddier picture once you look into it.
again, I put that down to proximity and access. my teachers were English, Scottish and Welsh. they had little reason to give a fuller picture of the world as their job was to inculcate values of the (then) present into me and as such they had to show the evils of the slave trade and the oppression of African peoples (which conversely proceeded to give people a false and unflattering view of Africa in general - totally oblivious to its own vastness and cultural richness).
if I spoke Farsi, I might have access to huge Persian resources on Islam's iniquities and the perfidities of Arab expansionists, but I don't and what I can most readily access is the "blame whitey" school of history 😐.
Originally posted by janus77
yes, by African wars I meant the convert+Arab verus 'pagan' conflicts, there's some articles that go into this on Znet, but not much, as far as I'm aware.sorry about the way I seem to just plop bits of argument and rant-y passages down, been having these conversations for more or less a decade, offline. and have gotten fed-up with naive views of Islam and race and culture etc...
when I was at school, we were taught that Europeans were the only slave holders/traders of note. later I started to see how prominent the Arabs were in the slave trade, how prominent Jews and certain African tribes were in the business too... it's a much muddier picture once you look into it.
again, I put that down to proximity and access. my teachers were English, Scottish and Welsh. they had little reason to give a fuller picture of the world as their job was to inculcate values of the (then) present into me and as such they had to show the evils of the slave trade and the oppression of African peoples (which conversely proceeded to give people a false and unflattering view of Africa in general - totally oblivious to its own vastness and cultural richness).
if I spoke Farsi, I might have access to huge Persian resources on Islam's iniquities and the perfidities of Arab expansionists, but I don't and what I can most readily access is the "blame whitey" school of history 😐.
😂 At any rate im pretty sure my ancestors converted to Islam.
Originally posted by janus77
Indonesian (largest muslim nation on the planet) genocide of East Timorese was, according to John Pilger, around the 500,000 figure.Ottoman Turkish genocide of Armenians, estimated at around 2 million.
various African wars and conquests by Arab forces during the early expansion of Islam ...
quite a lot went down, just that Europe is more self-critical and English is the lingua franca of the world, making study of European perfidity easier to access than others.
Also Sudan, Darfur, where Arab Janjaweed's murder of Sudanese reaches estimated death toll 400 000.
The famous quote by Arab Janjaweed:
''You black women, we will exterminate you. You have no God''.
I think it's just that we're all more aware of Western/European crimes (and there have been many, many hideous ones - upto this very moment in Iraq and Afghanistan for instance), we're schooled in our histories and the perversions of foreign policy.
also, perhaps it's political correctness that causes it but, there's a tendancy to be blind to the same failing in other empires and powers.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
List of Islamic terrorist attacks from 2001 - 2003List of Islamic terrorist attacks in 2004
List of Islamic terrorist attacks in 2005
list of Islamic terrorist attacks in 2006
For up to date, keep tuned to the NEWS!
This is excluding Iran's for example, execution of its own people for crimes which are considered s in accordance to shairia (They are the second in the world after China), also Saudi Arabia..etC.
Beslan school crisis - 344 civilians died, of those 186 children
😂
VERY reliable and objective a source you have dug up in all your ignorance ms. bitchiness. 🙄