Originally posted by celestialdemon
It's going to take a hell of a lot more than a couple to do that, and like Lord Fear said, Colossus isn't going to stand there and let Cannonball hit him.
Cannonball is WAY faster than Colossus. So he can't really run away. And if he tosses cars or other things, Cannonball will go through them because when he's charging at something, he has his impenetrable forcefield.
Originally posted by Brian Oswald
Cannonball can do alot more than just fly around and hit people. He can absorb kinetic energy to make him stronger(see Gladiator scans) he can create large booms and explosions by releasing this stored energy and encompass and trap other in a forcefield. Im saying he can beat Colossus for sure but he can do way more than fly around and hit him. And if Sam unloads his energy on Colossus it would be alot of pressure on Colossus
Pressure is one thing but coming out with a win is another
Originally posted by masterbruce
Cannonball is WAY faster than Colossus. So he can't really run away. And if he tosses cars or other things, Cannonball will go through them because when he's charging at something, he has his impenetrable forcefield.
I have seen Cannonball's so called impenetrable forcefield penetrated. Collosus has the entire environment to play with. Just keep hurdling objects at him. Whenever Sam IS CHARGING, that's his opening to deliver a his hardest blow to him. Tactiful fighting comes into play here but I see Collosus winning with smarts.
Originally posted by masterbruce
Cannonball is WAY faster than Colossus. So he can't really run away. And if he tosses cars or other things, Cannonball will go through them because when he's charging at something, he has his impenetrable forcefield.
Impenetrable? He's been knocked out by flying into Juggernaut before.
Originally posted by masterbruce
thats an old scan. Cannonball is much more powerful now, even keeping in mind Colossus upgrades himself.Cannonball is a special mutant, not just a run of the mill. He can def take Colossus
too fast and invincible shield plus kinetc powered punches = dead metal man
You haven't even set up a plausible scenario where Collosus would be on the run playing defense. What does Cannonball have in his arsenal to take Pietr down?
Please elaborate on that. You are saying current version as if his upgrades have turned him into a god or something while Collosus has remained stagnant.
Originally posted by LordFear
You haven't even set up a plausible scenario where Collosus would be on the run playing defense. What does Cannonball have in his arsenal to take Pietr down?
Please elaborate on that. You are saying current version as if his upgrades have turned him into a god or something while Collosus has remained stagnant.
Check the gladiator scan. Cannonball KNOCKED OUT CONFIDEnt Gladiator with a single punch.
even assuming that was a bit exaggerated, he could def knock out Colossus, who is much weaker than Gladiator.
Originally posted by masterbruce
thats an old scan. Cannonball is much more powerful now, even keeping in mind Colossus upgrades himself.Cannonball is a special mutant, not just a run of the mill. He can def take Colossus
too fast and invincible shield plus kinetc powered punches = dead metal man
Again, the Gladiator fight was PIS. Gladiator has taken on WAY more than Cannonball before. He's destroyed entire planets with his fists. Cannonball has never shown this type of power either before or after this incident. It's like saying Spiderman could take it to SS because he beat Firelord, even though he's never been able to duplicate that feat.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Again, the Gladiator fight was PIS. Gladiator has taken on WAY more than Cannonball before. He's destroyed entire planets with his fists. Cannonball has never shown this type of power either before or after this incident. It's like saying Spiderman could take it to SS because he beat Firelord, even though he's never been able to duplicate that feat.
But if you can state that the scan with the Gladiator Fight was PIS, then we can also say that the scan where he knocks out Cannonball is PIS, And in the secret wars I (I hate II) the first fight between the the heroes and bad guys, colossus is amongst the first to go down hardly impressiv for a guy that traded blow with cyttorak Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Utrigita
But if you can state that the scan with the Gladiator Fight was PIS, then we can also say that the scan where he knocks out Cannonball is PIS, And in the secret wars I (I hate II) the first fight between the the heroes and bad guys, colossus is amongst the first to go down hardly impressiv for a guy that traded blow with cyttorak Juggernaut.
Not really. Colossus regularly tangles with heavy hitters like Juggernaut. Cannonball doesn't. He usually deals with other mutants. This is the only instance where he's dealt with someone of Gladiator's caliber, and he wasn't hurt by Kallark. That's PIS, especially since in the past, Cannonball has been knocked around by both Colossus and Juggernaut while using his force field.
Yes, but we can only assume from what we know and the scans postet, that his field would take it since a hit from the gladiator didn't penetratet it he felt it but it didn't penetratet it and Gladiator can at optimal condition lift press at least 100 tons vs colossus which under optimale conditions can lift press at least 70.
Originally posted by masterbruce
Check the gladiator scan. Cannonball KNOCKED OUT CONFIDEnt Gladiator with a single punch.even assuming that was a bit exaggerated, he could def knock out Colossus, who is much weaker than Gladiator.
Umm, Gladiator wasn't KOed. He got right up, as mad as hell. And Gladiator wasn't looking for a fight with canonball either.
Canonball absorbed the power from one of Gladiator's punches, which Gladiator belive to be impossible weakening him because his confidence dropped. and then Canonball redirected the force from the punch at Gladiator.
Originally posted by Jyppe
Umm, Gladiator wasn't KOed. He got right up, as mad as hell. And Gladiator wasn't looking for a fight with canonball either.Canonball absorbed the power from one of Gladiator's punches, which Gladiator belive to be impossible weakening him because his confidence dropped. and then Canonball redirected the force from the punch at Gladiator.
So in theory couldn't cannonball just sit there take the punishment of colossus and then throw it back supercharged t the last minute.
I'm still reserving judgment on this fight. It's plausible for either to win imo.
Originally posted by celestialdemonI like Colossus, but bringing up fights with Juggernaut is misleading. The only fights he's ever had with classic Juggernaut, have involved him either using guile to incapacitate/remove him or basically being manhandled. Neither Colossus nor Cannonball are winning any fights against classic Juggernaut.
Colossus regularly tangles with heavy hitters like Juggernaut. Cannonball doesn't. He usually deals with other mutants. This is the only instance where he's dealt with someone of Gladiator's caliber, and he wasn't hurt by Kallark. That's PIS, especially since in the past, Cannonball has been knocked around by both Colossus and Juggernaut while using his force field.
The scan of Colossus and Cannonball shows a young inexperienced Cannonball still in training, still wearing the generic New Mutants uniform (so sometime between New Mutants #01 and #60) and still relatively inept with his powers. I don't recall him actually being hurt in any way by it either. Of foremost importance, this was before he learned he could absorb kinetic impact.