Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
\You have got to be kidding. The juggernaut has NEVER been as strong as Superman or THOR. His true power comes from his invulnerability and his forward unstoppable motion which is not his strength. NEVER has juggs been stronger than Superman.
Originally posted by golem370
He said he was still stronger but Thor was a better fighter and faster. Classic Juggernaut imo is between Thor and Hercules in strength maybe equal to Hercules.
Juggernaut strength is not unlimited. Marvel says his upper limit is not known (implying there is a limit). And 8th day Juggs was even stronger. Another reason that points that Juggs strength is not unlimited. Most likely, Superman is stronger since it was shown that Juggs was trapped in solid cement and couldn't break out (spiderman trick him) while it is feasible to know that Superman easily could have broken out. So lets just say we don't know what his lifting strength is. But his hitting strength (damage and force of punch) has a limit and can be known (much less than Superman or Thor). The reason he doesn't hit as hard as Superman or Thor is because of his arm speed is much slower. Thus he might be able to push something massive but not able to damage it as much as Superman or Thor can. Thus WW can easily take his punches (even though he will knock her away due to his unstoppability but she will be fine). Plus his fist is bigger, making the punch do even less damage than if it were Superman's size.
Engaging fellow exemplar Stonecuter in a toe-to-toe slugfest,the punches they traded to one another caused earthquakes and was said to be the greatest fury ever unleashed on Earth. --Juggernaut:Eighth Day
Facing the Stranger who'd grown to about 50 feet tall,The Juggernaut lept up and toppled him with one punch --X-Men Forever #6
Stripped to only a fraction of his strength,he still is strong enough to easily choke Rogue with one hand while fending off Colossus with the other. --Marvel Team-Up #150(it was stated in the Marvel Handbook that both Tom and Juggernaut actually had less than a half of The Juggernaut's power as they had assumed)
The Juggernaut nearly drowned the Hulk by forcing Hulk's head underwater. Hulk had to use silt from the riverbed in Juggernaut's eyes to make The Juggernaut release his grip on his neck. --Hulk #402
Despite having suffered a significant power loss,The Juggernaut's diminished might was still enough to lock up with Prime. The Juggernaut is next seen slamming Prime through a wall. --Exiles #4
Tore through a wall 50 times the tensile strength of battleship steel as though it were a "a thin layer of plywood". --Uncanny X-Men #12
Drained of power to the point of emaciation, a sickly Juggernaut was still strong enough to rip off and wield the entire corners of buildings as giant weapons. --Uncanny X-Men #361
Collapsed an entire skyscraper(possibly a World Trade Center tower) with a ram of his shoulder. --Spider-Man #16
After the Hulk had absorbed more radiation making him more powerful than before, The Juggernaut matched him in a direct test of strength. The opposing forces of their grapple threatened to collapse the entire X-Mansion. --World War Hulk😘-Men #3
In a confrontation with Colossus,the first blow Juggernaut connects with ends the fight. Leaving Colossus unconcious when he lands from it. --
Uncanny X-Men #183
The Juggernaut caused the entire X-Mansion to shake and nearly collapse by stomping from all the way at the front gates of the estate. And was said to be using only a fraction of his power to accomplish it. --
Uncanny X-Men #12
sent Thor hurtling across the skies and then through a store wall with a casual backslap. --Thor #411
took the Fantastic Four's Thing down for the count in seconds with just 3 successive blows. Thing would arise,only to fall back down unconscious. --Secret Wars II #7
When fighting an army battalion,The Juggernaut slammed his fists into the ground with such force it created an earthquake that ripped through the entire valley and brought a hill crumbling down on them. --Uncanny X-Men #33
Seeing the success Thor had after he discerned the nature of his power Cain decided that since Mjolnir must be the source of Thor's power that if he got it he would be unbeatable as well as unstoppable. He also was pretty sure that Thor wouldn't give it up willingly so he decides to pick up a stone pillar and beat it out of him(gotta love Juggy's way of doing things). But Cain finds when he goes to lift Mjolnir that he can't even budge it. To him this didn't add up since he knew he was at the very least Thor's equal in strength and Thor lifts it easy. As Mjolnir returned to his hand Thor explains that Mjolnir can only be lifted by those of the right character.
Strength Level:The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength,enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known. His strength rivals that of the strongest being on Earth,the Incredible Hulk.
I think Marvel would know their characters strength level and based off them he is stronger than Thor and probably stronger than Dc Superman.
Green Mail has stated several times that Juggernaut is atleast as strong as the Hulk if not stronger. Green Mail is a reputable source considering it's a part of Marvel themselves.Here's 1 Green Mail letter on the subject (Don't have the scan of it but, It's from the Incredible Hulk #432 if you want to look for yourself).
A Hulk fan wrote something about how the Hulk has the potential for unlimited strength whereas the Juggernaut doesn't. To this, Green Mail replies: "We checked with our experts here at Marvel, Jimmy, and they say that the Juggernaut has the potential to draw on the limitless power of the mystical energy of Cyttorak! So it is possible for Juggy's strength to increase!"
I also wanted to clear up couple of things by a few posters. Trion Juggernaut was not possessed by Cyttorak, he was possessed by the evil of the Trion. The Evil began to tap into Cyttoraks power enabling Juggernaut to do what he did. The 2nd thing is I'm not all that convinced 8th Day Juggernaut was amped as much as he was able to dig deeper into his exsisting power set. One time even saying "For the first time I really feel like I can cut loose" or something to that nature. 8th Day Juggernaut never did anything Classic Juggs wasn't fully capable of.
Originally posted by big juggy man
Juggernaut strength is not unlimited. Marvel says his upper limit is not known (implying there is a limit). And 8th day Juggs was even stronger. Another reason that points that Juggs strength is not unlimited. Most likely, Superman is stronger since it was shown that Juggs was trapped in solid cement and couldn't break out (spiderman trick him) while it is feasible to know that Superman easily could have broken out. So lets just say we don't know what his lifting strength is. But his hitting strength (damage and force of punch) has a limit and can be known (much less than Superman or Thor). The reason he doesn't hit as hard as Superman or Thor is because of his arm speed is much slower. Thus he might be able to push something massive but not able to damage it as much as Superman or Thor can. Thus WW can easily take his punches (even though he will knock her away due to his unstoppability but she will be fine). Plus his fist is bigger, making the punch do even less damage than if it were Superman's size.Engaging fellow exemplar Stonecuter in a toe-to-toe slugfest,the punches they traded to one another caused earthquakes and was said to be the greatest fury ever unleashed on Earth. --Juggernaut:Eighth Day
Facing the Stranger who'd grown to about 50 feet tall,The Juggernaut lept up and toppled him with one punch --X-Men Forever #6Stripped to only a fraction of his strength,he still is strong enough to easily choke Rogue with one hand while fending off Colossus with the other. --Marvel Team-Up #150(it was stated in the Marvel Handbook that both Tom and Juggernaut actually had less than a half of The Juggernaut's power as they had assumed)
The Juggernaut nearly drowned the Hulk by forcing Hulk's head underwater. Hulk had to use silt from the riverbed in Juggernaut's eyes to make The Juggernaut release his grip on his neck. --Hulk #402
Despite having suffered a significant power loss,The Juggernaut's diminished might was still enough to lock up with Prime. The Juggernaut is next seen slamming Prime through a wall. --Exiles #4
Tore through a wall 50 times the tensile strength of battleship steel as though it were a "a thin layer of plywood". --Uncanny X-Men #12
Drained of power to the point of emaciation, a sickly Juggernaut was still strong enough to rip off and wield the entire corners of buildings as giant weapons. --Uncanny X-Men #361
Collapsed an entire skyscraper(possibly a World Trade Center tower) with a ram of his shoulder. --Spider-Man #16
After the Hulk had absorbed more radiation making him more powerful than before, The Juggernaut matched him in a direct test of strength. The opposing forces of their grapple threatened to collapse the entire X-Mansion. --World War Hulk😘-Men #3
In a confrontation with Colossus,the first blow Juggernaut connects with ends the fight. Leaving Colossus unconcious when he lands from it. --
Uncanny X-Men #183The Juggernaut caused the entire X-Mansion to shake and nearly collapse by stomping from all the way at the front gates of the estate. And was said to be using only a fraction of his power to accomplish it. --
Uncanny X-Men #12sent Thor hurtling across the skies and then through a store wall with a casual backslap. --Thor #411
took the Fantastic Four's Thing down for the count in seconds with just 3 successive blows. Thing would arise,only to fall back down unconscious. --Secret Wars II #7
When fighting an army battalion,The Juggernaut slammed his fists into the ground with such force it created an earthquake that ripped through the entire valley and brought a hill crumbling down on them. --Uncanny X-Men #33
Seeing the success Thor had after he discerned the nature of his power Cain decided that since Mjolnir must be the source of Thor's power that if he got it he would be unbeatable as well as unstoppable. He also was pretty sure that Thor wouldn't give it up willingly so he decides to pick up a stone pillar and beat it out of him(gotta love Juggy's way of doing things). But Cain finds when he goes to lift Mjolnir that he can't even budge it. To him this didn't add up since he knew he was at the very least Thor's equal in strength and Thor lifts it easy. As Mjolnir returned to his hand Thor explains that Mjolnir can only be lifted by those of the right character.
Strength Level:The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength,enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known. His strength rivals that of the strongest being on Earth,the Incredible Hulk.
I think Marvel would know their characters strength level and based off them he is stronger than Thor and probably stronger than Dc Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8
If a trapped Thor can break out of a pool of solid concrete then clearly he is stronger (since Juggs was unable to).
Juggernaut could shrug his way out of a cocoon of hardened steel (Thor 412) but not concrete?
The trick that Spider-Man played on him had him walk into a building foundation while the cement was wet. He sank and couldn't really smash his way out. IIRC Juggernaut actually commented later that he had to wait for the cement to dry before he could break free (b/c he doesn't need to breath or eat). Lame, yes, but there's the facts.
It's hard to say how strong Juggernaut is unless we seem him reach some limit when attempting a feat of strength, which we haven't really seen. Given that the Marvel writers themselves say his limit is unknown, that he can potentially draw on 'limitless' power, and that he can increase his strength (and has been seen to do so in some of his forms) etc nobody can say for sure. It's just speculation or opinion at this point.
Regardless, we've seen this fight done before. Juggs is too slow, and WW can't hurt him. So it's stalemate with a possibility of battlefield removal of Juggs, unless WW is stupid enough to let him get his hands on her.
Basilisk i just gave you a list of feats Juggernaut accomplished.Do you need more because i can give you more.
Regardless, we've seen this fight done before. Juggs is too slow, and WW can't hurt him. So it's stalemate with a possibility of battlefield removal of Juggs, unless WW is stupid enough to let him get his hands on her.
If Juggernaut can land punches on Wolverine who is pretty agile,Venon,He grabbed Spiderman and walk with him in a bear hug through a building and he can also land punches on Thor and countless other fighters who were suppose to move at superhuman speeds so apparently he can punch pretty fast.He can run fast though and we don't know if he is agile or not since there is no need for him to dodge any attack since they can't really hurt him. Besides in the Marvel vs Dc cross over i believe he fought with WonderWoman for a bit and was able to land some blows so he can't be that slow.
uhh kinda old thread... but
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/Ptr_Grifin/Juggy_vote1.jpg
yeah that may be old but its from Classic jugg times
