Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Let's take the current ... All character's in the current state.
- (This thread opens in 2 years when Silver Surfer have gotten so buffed up with all the upgrades that he equals Galactus 😛 )
Current DS has the ALE, don't make it so current or this isn't even a fight.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I cant tell if your being sarcastic
Okay, I'll tell you what's up.
Common misconception about Darkseid is that he hasn't been powered down, doesn't have any low feats, etc.
Well, that's a half-truth. Essentially, though some of Darkseid's lower feats were retconned as avatars, him staying in the source wall got retconned in the same run where it started once a new writer took over. (Evidently he thought it was a stupid decision.)
Anyway, though some of the low feats were retconned as Desaad (2 Dr. Fate appearances, one Hawk and Dove appearance) and since the only conclusion to something being an avatar is if it's mentioned, they've essentially powered down the Lord of Apokalipse. (spellcheck?)
Does it suck? Yep. Does it make it any less true? Nope.
Thus me asking for what era. If you're think Kirby Era, or pre-Byrne era, then he's about Skyfather level, or a couple inches shorter. Current era, or my passionate penning called "Post-Moron" Darkseid is more along the lines of your regular Surfer villain.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Okay, I'll tell you what's up.Common misconception about Darkseid is that he hasn't been powered down, doesn't have any low feats, etc.
Well, that's a half-truth. Essentially, though some of Darkseid's lower feats were retconned as avatars, him staying in the source wall got retconned in the same run where it started once a new writer took over. (Evidently he thought it was a stupid decision.)
Anyway, though some of the low feats were retconned as Desaad (2 Dr. Fate appearances, one Hawk and Dove appearance) and since the only conclusion to something being an avatar is if it's mentioned, they've essentially powered down the Lord of Apokalipse. (spellcheck?)
Does it suck? Yep. Does it make it any less true? Nope.
Thus me asking for what era. If you're think Kirby Era, or pre-Byrne era, then he's about Skyfather level, or a couple inches shorter. Current era, or my passionate penning called "Post-Moron" Darkseid is more along the lines of your regular Surfer villain.
The point is, DC's retcons have stated he never wavered in power, and has only grown in power, also it is stated that all of his appearances have been Avatars and or projections.
DS has never been shown in true form either, explained that he is powered down using a boom tube of his own will.
Point is, that he never decreased in power, as of right now to this day he has only 2 un retconned loses, to superman. Those were explained that Superman has protection from the Source itself against DS, and that is how he was able to defeat him.
DS is also explained that he is necessary just as superman is, for the existence of all of DC.
Originally posted by Board Walker
The point is, DC's retcons have stated he never wavered in power, and has only grown in power, also it is stated that all of his appearances have been Avatars and or projections.
That was part of the pre-Byrne run that got retconned.
Originally posted by Board Walker
DS has never been shown in true form either, explained that he is powered down using a boom tube of his own will.
Part of the above mentioned retcon.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Point is, that he never decreased in power, as of right now to this day he has only 2 un retconned loses, to superman. Those were explained that Superman has protection from the Source itself against DS, and that is how he was able to defeat him.
You're also missing the loss to Doomsday, his OWAW appearances, Superman pushing him into the Source Wall, Superman pulling him out of the source wall (whilst Orion was able to free himself) etc etc.
If you ask DC about Darkseid, they'll tell you that they're writing him down.
Originally posted by Board Walker
DS is also explained that he is necessary just as superman is, for the existence of all of DC.
That statement contradicts the prophecy of Orion killing him.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
That was part of the pre-Byrne run that got retconned.Part of the above mentioned retcon.
You're also missing the loss to Doomsday, his OWAW appearances, Superman pushing him into the Source Wall, Superman pulling him out of the source wall (whilst Orion was able to free himself) etc etc.
If you ask DC about Darkseid, they'll tell you that they're writing him down.
That statement contradicts the prophecy of Orion killing him.
It seems you really dont' know about DS. DS in his true God form beating supergirl was aFTER the byrne retconned so called. Also DC abandoned the prophecy of Orion killing DS after fans showed they liked DS as a villian too much. And it's a funny thing, if DC was writing DS down, then how come he's displaying greater reality manipulation powers than ever? He is shown creating actual multiple realities. And then They went and gave him the ALE. writing him down? 😕
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
That was part of the pre-Byrne run that got retconned.Part of the above mentioned retcon.
You're also missing the loss to Doomsday, his OWAW appearances, Superman pushing him into the Source Wall, Superman pulling him out of the source wall (whilst Orion was able to free himself) etc etc.
If you ask DC about Darkseid, they'll tell you that they're writing him down.
That statement contradicts the prophecy of Orion killing him.
Nvr explained it nicely, the retcon changed alot, and secondly the prophecy does not contradict DC. The prophecy states that he would replace DS and the OE with himself and the Astroforce.