X-Man & Magneto vs. Stryfe & Exodus.

Originally posted by id369
Stryfe is cables exact Clone.

Yup, Madelyne is Pryor is Cables biological mother. (who happens to be a clone of Jean Grey).

X-Man is a test tube of the genetic material of the authentic (AoA) Jean and Cyclops.

Stryfe should have the same potential as Cable. But lacks Cables formal training.
Which is why Stryfe would lose horribly to Jesus Cable.

And I agree that X-Man is slightly superior (at their best) to Cable. Even Cable admits, that he exhibits all of his TK & TP powers unchecked by the T.O. and some. (in other words, X-Man has developed a wider range Psy abilities).

But X-Man and Stryfe would be a close match. Despite X-Man being a slightly superior, Stryfe does has years of training of his powers. That’s the advantage Stryfe has over X-Man.

Although just Prior to Nate merging with the other Nate (Pre Shaman). He gained much knowledge in a short amount of time, and seems to be closing the gap in between his inexperience and Stryfe formal training from Apocalypse.

In character I see
Magneto taking on Exodus (due to their relationship, and this match being to the death.)
While X-Man takes on Stryfe for the same reasons as above.

And I still have a hard time, calling the match.
Magneto vs. Exodus is a close match.
And I do not know hoe Stryfe would fare with X-man.

I see this the same way as you, but I don't see X-man having problems with Stryfe if I remember correct (marvels cosmic is my special 😉) Nate Grey is classified Omega Level Mutant, which none of the other can claim credit fore, And wasn't Cable capable of defeating Stryfe, when Cable was infected with the techno organic virus.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I see this the same way as you, but I don't see X-man having problems with Stryfe if I remember correct (marvels cosmic is my special 😉) Nate Grey is classified Omega Level Mutant, which none of the other can claim credit fore, And wasn't Cable capable of defeating Stryfe, when Cable was infected with the techno organic virus.

I would love to see the scan that shows or states he is an Omega level mutant.

And Cable beat Stryfe with some assitance, and a self detonating device.
Devils Advocate 😈 T.O. Cable beat X-Man as well (yet many fail to mention, this is right after his fight with Exodus😮‍💨 )

Originally posted by id369
I would love to see the scan that shows or states he is an Omega level mutant.

And Cable beat Stryfe with some assitance, and a self detonating device.
Devils Advocate 😈 T.O. Cable beat X-Man as well (yet many fail to mention, this is right after his fight with Exodus😮‍💨 )

Nate Grey>/=Franklin. That's a fact.

Originally posted by guy222
Nate Grey>/=Franklin. That's a fact.

ok....😕
That’s debatable. And it does not help prove your point on how Exodus or Stryfe have reality warping powers.

I can not find any evidence that states Nate is an Omega Mutant. Nate's body is not capable of handling such power further hints that motion. (Just about all confirmed Omega level mutant do not run the risk of burning them self out, when accessing higher powers).

Originally posted by id369
ok....😕
That’s debatable. And it does not help prove your point on how Exodus or Stryfe have reality warping powers.

I can not find any evidence that states Nate is an Omega Mutant. Nate's body is not capable of handling such power further hints that motion. (Just about all confirmed Omega level mutant do not run the risk of burning them self out, when accessing higher powers).

Exodus. Not Stryfe.

Originally posted by guy222
Exodus. Not Stryfe.

I have followed Exodus closely for some time, and read many bios and comics of his.
Not once has it ever bin hinted, that he was a reality warper.
Could it be, that I have yet to come across a comic that exhibits such ability, or am I not paying close enough attention?

Originally posted by id369
Ok.

I have followed Exodus closely for some time, and read many bios and comics of his.
Not once has it ever bin hinted, that he was a reality warper.
Could it be, that I have yet to come across a comic that exhibits such ability, or am I not paying close enough attention?

I am looking for the scan. I did read where it says he's a reality warper. He's quite powerful.

Originally posted by id369
I would love to see the scan that shows or states he is an Omega level mutant.

And Cable beat Stryfe with some assitance, and a self detonating device.
Devils Advocate 😈 T.O. Cable beat X-Man as well (yet many fail to mention, this is right after his fight with Exodus😮‍💨 )

Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry isn't good at posting scans but tjeck out X-Man #68 Queen Jean described Nate Grey as the ultimate telekinetic, as "what all Nate Greys have been on every earth." this along with his telepathy places him along with Franklin Richards, Jean Grey, Hyperstorm, and Mad Jim Jaspers, you do know them right.

very powerful ppl.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry isn't good at posting scans but tjeck out X-Man #68 Queen Jean described Nate Grey as the ultimate telekinetic, as "what all Nate Greys have been on every earth." this along with his telepathy places him along with Franklin Richards, Jean Grey, Hyperstorm, and Mad Jim Jaspers, you do know them right.

As big of a X-Man fan that I am. I can only take such statement as hyperbole.
It is possible for Nate to reach such high potential, but would burn himself long before he ever reaches Dark Phoenix level of power.

Quibiri level characters, seems to be Nate limit before exposing himself to danger of burning out.

Hyperstorm, FR, Mad Jim Jaspers, and Jean Grey all of them are capable of surpassing Quibiri level characters with out the risk of inducing in self destructive properties.

Originally posted by id369
As big of a X-Man fan that I am. I can only take such statement as hyperbole.
It is possible for Nate to reach such high potential, but would burn himself long before he ever reaches Dark Phoenix level of power.

Quibiri level characters, seems to be Nate limit before exposing himself to danger of burning out.

Hyperstorm, FR, Mad Jim Jaspers, and Jean Grey all of them are capable of surpassing Quibiri level characters with out the risk of inducing in self destructive properties.

Hyperstorm(Rachel/Frankie's son), Frankie=Celestial, Jaspers is a nut. Well, we all know who Jean Grey is. If I can ask u, who were those creatures when Nate 'died'.

Originally posted by id369
As big of a X-Man fan that I am. I can only take such statement as hyperbole.
It is possible for Nate to reach such high potential, but would burn himself long before he ever reaches Dark Phoenix level of power.

Quibiri level characters, seems to be Nate limit before exposing himself to danger of burning out.

Hyperstorm, FR, Mad Jim Jaspers, and Jean Grey all of them are capable of surpassing Quibiri level characters with out the risk of inducing in self destructive properties.

Okay what up to you check the comic it saids it directly.

It wasn't my meaning to say that he is a confirmed omega leveled mutant, But in my openion being placed along with the rest gives him a good chance off being one.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay what up to you check the comic it saids it directly.

It wasn't my meaning to say that he is a confirmed omega leveled mutant, But in my openion being placed along with the rest gives him a good chance off being one.

Oh here is my evidence I use to back up my claims. (some what)

Originally posted by id369
X-Man 51.
Something interesting. It is often debated weather Nate (Stryfe or Cable for that matter), are truly Omega level.

Well I always thought he was not, simply because his body could never harness such power.
Omega tend to transcends that kind of hindrance and have the possibility to attain cosmic hood, with out burning themselves out.

In any case, in X-Man 51
There is a scan that states “Alpha Psi” codename X “Nate Grey”.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4963/xman51p08ej9.jpg

His power places the world in danger (This seems to be the limit for an Alpha level mutant.)

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5219/xman51p09xc0.jpg

Know I know the statements could be interpreted in a different manner, but for know that is all I can fall back on.

Originally posted by id369
I have never really placed so much faith in Omega or Alpha level.
With that said, despite Nate not being a confirmed Omega, he has done more then certain Omega level mutants.

Oh here is my evidence I use to back up my claims. (some what)

Nice scans sorry that I cannot post mine where Queen Jean says that he is as the ultimate telekinetic, as "what all Nate Greys have been on every earth." And he was capable of defeating Professor X on the Astral Plan (in some way).

I on the other hand finds Omega and Alpha level indications very important.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Nice scans sorry that I cannot post mine where Queen Jean says that he is as the ultimate telekinetic, as "what all Nate Greys have been on every earth." And he was capable of defeating Professor X on the Astral Plan (in some way).

I on the other hand finds Omega and Alpha level indications very important.

It's in his respect thread.

not the one where Jean says that he is the ultimate telekinetic I have checked the other one yes I know.

Originally posted by Utrigita
not the one where Jean says that he is the ultimate telekinetic I have checked the other one yes I know.

Good morning. Nate ftw

Nate's omega but unfortunately doesn't have the body to contain all this power and potential (as he's been described as the Dark Phoenix's equal potentially) and thus gets classified as Alpha because he cannot possibly obtain the higher levels without a DEM.

And I think Magneto made a off-hand comment about Exodus being a reality warper in AOA. You really shouldn't read much into it though, it was more hyperbole for how powerful he is then anything.