Originally posted by botankusIf the industry is banning him for his views it would be the same but they are not, movie theaters are still playing his movies, movie stores are not removing his movies and so forth. Is he getting flak for his view yes, but I’m not talking about that. I don’t care if a bunch of their fans are upset at their comments they have a right to right or wrong, it also doesn’t matter if some radio stations don’t want to play their music either but when the entire industry bans them that is something different all together.
Let's switch industries here. Does anyone think Mel Gibson has gotten it easy from his peers and the industry as a whole in recent years for what he has said.......whether you agree with them or not.Those last seven words were so important. End of story and there are zero exceptions.
Originally posted by The Core
This year's Grammy's, not that I care about who they go to, seemed like one big sham after another. My biggest pet peeve being the Dixie Chicks edging out Gnarls Barkley for three awards, namely Record of the Year.Gnarls made what was arguably one of the most important albums in alternative music history with "St. Elsewhere", and along come the antithesis of the American sweethearts in the Dixie Chicks, and more or less sweep the most important categories with the same music they've been making for the past decade.
Not to mention John Legend getting snubbed, John Mayer winning a [b]pop
Grammy over Justin Timberlake, and Rick Rubin winning for producer pretty much by default.The Grammys, in a word, are worthless. They're bestowed upon artists based on the opinions of a select few people who supposedly have a "more valid" or educated opinion than anyone else, just because they're in the industry. Then said winners just use those awards as bargaining chips for their next record deal, or for the labels to whore out new artists with, because they have said winning artists on their roster.
Gnarls got robbed. They got robbed. However, the best part was when virtually nobody applauded the Chicks when they won. They're still hated, and rightfully so. [/B]
Co-signed.
Gnarls Barley is amazing. They played on pop stations, urban stations, even rock stations.
A neo-funk groove by solid artitsts who make their own type of music.
The Dixie chicks aren't hated by any industry. (excluding country music)
They sold well on this last album, they have a documentary about the whole Bush thing (up for an Oscar, isn't it?) and they swept the Grammy's.
Hardly seems like they are shut-out.
No, it's more likely that an average group of artists were "honored" because of the "importance" of how they "took a stand".
Basically saying what people have been saying about Bush for a couple of years now. (see Michael Moore.)
The music industry liberals who run things like the Grammy's felt like whinning against daddy Bush by giving the Chicks some recognition.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Co-signed.Gnarls Barley is amazing. They played on pop stations, urban stations, even rock stations.
A neo-funk groove by solid artitsts who make their own type of music.
The Dixie chicks aren't hated by any industry. (excluding country music)
They sold well on this last album, they have a documentary about the whole Bush thing (up for an Oscar, isn't it?) and they swept the Grammy's.
Hardly seems like they are shut-out.
No, it's more likely that an average group of artists were "honored" because of the "importance" of how they "took a stand".
Basically saying what people have been saying about Bush for a couple of years now. (see Michael Moore.)
The music industry liberals who run things like the Grammy's felt like whinning against daddy Bush by giving the Chicks some recognition.
What are these people going to do when Bush is no longer in the white house?
Originally posted by The Core
The Grammys, in a word, are worthless. They're bestowed upon artists based on the opinions of a select few people who supposedly have a "more valid" or educated opinion than anyone else, just because they're in the industry. Then said winners just use those awards as bargaining chips for their next record deal, or for the labels to whore out new artists with, because they have said winning artists on their roster.Gnarls got robbed. They got robbed. However, the best part was when virtually nobody applauded the Chicks when they won. They're still hated, and rightfully so.
Couldn't say it better myself. I wonder how much BEP's label paid off those Grammy dopes so "My Humps" could win a award.
Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove
Couldn't say it better myself. I wonder how much BEP's label paid off those Grammy dopes so "My Humps" could win a award.
I totally forgot about that. I read a review of the ceremonies last night, and it closed with "See you next year, if the industry still exists". Considering the majority of artists I enjoy are on independent labels, I couldn't care less. I'm just disappointed in where it has gone as of late, which is down the toilet.
I know there's bound to be some politics tied to a lot of these "awards" shows, which is why I have said before, I hold MTV's Music Awards in higher regard than the Grammys. I don't care if it's little girl voting for who they think is the cutest band er what have you. Those girls still bought the albums, got tickets for the show, and directly impacted the bands that won, which is probablt a lot more than can be said for those that decide the stupid awards.
As far as the Dixie Chicks go. Their fanbase is about 75% Republican, is what should be taken into consideration first and foremost. Secondly, she was took the chicken-shit way out and made her remarks during a concert in London. Not the United States. She obviously felt safe.
That said, I am all for freedom of speech, but people go to Dixie Chicks concerts for some twangy fun music, not a ****in' politcal bash. I hate when musicians abuse their priviledges by using their "art" as a soapbox to get across their politics. There are exceptions to the rule such as RATM and SOAD who could always back up their feelings with cold hard facts. It's when spunky, mouthy country singers with little to no insight, just venom, speak their mind is when it crosses the line.
I just think it's pathetic that they get an "Album of the Year" award for a song that's about pretty much saying "**** you for not liking my opinion. I'm not apologizing".
Most recently after a show in Canada, they had a sign that dissed Bush once again. Just to show that they're too afraid to come back to the U.S. knowing they've already done irrepairable damage to their careers talking the shit they have talked already.
So, along with this stupid documentary...they've sold themselves on their politics, much more than their music, so it seems. It's pathetic that people buy into it, and it's equally as pathetic that they just can't let it go and shut their big ****ing mouths, and save it for the appropriate venue...which is not a MUSIC concert.
Originally posted by The Core
As far as the Dixie Chicks go. Their fanbase is about 75% Republican, is what should be taken into consideration first and foremost. Secondly, she was took the chicken-shit way out and made her remarks during a concert in London. Not the United States. She obviously felt safe.
Originally posted by The Core
That said, I am all for freedom of speech, but people go to Dixie Chicks concerts for some twangy fun music, not a ****in' politcal bash. I hate when musicians abuse their priviledges by using their "art" as a soapbox to get across their politics. There are exceptions to the rule such as RATM and SOAD who could always back up their feelings with cold hard facts. It's when spunky, mouthy country singers with little to no insight, just venom, speak their mind is when it crosses the line.
Originally posted by The CoreSo if it was about shaking your butt it would be better?
I just think it's pathetic that they get an "Album of the Year" award for a song that's about pretty much saying "**** you for not liking my opinion. I'm not apologizing".
Originally posted by The CoreThey have still made fun of Bush and this whole thing at EVERY concert they have had in the US or abroad.
Most recently after a show in Canada, they had a sign that dissed Bush once again. Just to show that they're too afraid to come back to the U.S. knowing they've already done irrepairable damage to their careers talking the shit they have talked already.
Originally posted by The CoreAgain, their music and their venue.
So, along with this stupid documentary...they've sold themselves on their politics, much more than their music, so it seems. It's pathetic that people buy into it, and it's equally as pathetic that they just can't let it go and shut their big ****ing mouths, and save it for the appropriate venue...which is not a MUSIC concert.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Talk about reading into something.
I don't speak on things I don't know about.
That is your opinion; it is their concert singing their music so why not say their opinion. If you don't like there view or what they do then don't go.
Because it's a music concert, not a political deliberation, maybe? Not that I would go, but considering Tony Blair and London being part of the coalition with the United States, that was a stupid move to out her opinion, out of place, out of thin ****ing air, to fans of their MUSIC, not expecting to hear her politics rant.
So if it was about shaking your butt it would be better?
No, but would you reward a song that's as meaningless as being stubborn?
They have still made fun of Bush and this whole thing at EVERY concert they have had in the US or abroad.
Maybe by singing their songs. The shows that they DID play were in CANADA. They cancelled the entire Southern leg of their tour, and took it up North where their album actually sold. If you can find me any instances of them making fun of Bush in the US, please cite them.
Again, their music and their venue.
Again, a concert and not a political debate.
Maines also retracted her earlier apology to Bush, stating, "I apologized for disrespecting the office of the President, but I don't feel that way anymore. I don't feel he is owed any respect whatsoever."
Right after they apologized, got their new album on the radio, and sold a bunch of their albums. Convenient.
Originally posted by The CoreAlmost any song out there by many artists are “political” or “social”, almost any artist that is writing or singing songs are using their own views and feelings so in a way they are “on their soap box” but it is just put to music. If they sang a song about “George Bush is an idiot” that would be OK with you? My wife just went to the concert here in Denver and yes they did make fun of him there as well, she is a huge Dixie Chicks fan and could site you some more but that is off the point of what I was talking about.
I don't speak on things I don't know about.Because it's a music concert, not a political deliberation, maybe? Not that I would go, but considering Tony Blair and London being part of the coalition with the United States, that was a stupid move to out her opinion, out of place, out of thin ****ing air, to fans of their MUSIC, not expecting to hear her politics rant.
No, but would you reward a song that's as meaningless as being stubborn?
Maybe by singing their songs. The shows that they [b]DID
play were in CANADA. They cancelled the entire Southern leg of their tour, and took it up North where their album actually sold. If you can find me any instances of them making fun of Bush in the US, please cite them.Again, a concert and not a political debate.
Right after they apologized, got their new album on the radio, and sold a bunch of their albums. Convenient. [/B]
All they did is make one comment that started this whole thing; they were not up there “preaching” to the crowd. Was it the brightest thing to do no, but the way that it was blown out of proportion and being banned by the Country music industry is pathetic and wrong in my opinion. I’m not saying that they are blameless at all, no one is perfect and they have done some “not so smart” things but does it deserve the treatment for the industry?
Originally posted by ThePittman
Almost any song out there by many artists are “political” or “social”, almost any artist that is writing or singing songs are using their own views and feelings so in a way they are “on their soap box” but it is just put to music. If they sang a song about “George Bush is an idiot” that would be OK with you? My wife just went to the concert here in Denver and yes they did make fun of him there as well, she is a huge Dixie Chicks fan and could site you some more but that is off the point of what I was talking about.All they did is make one comment that started this whole thing; they were not up there “preaching” to the crowd. Was it the brightest thing to do no, but the way that it was blown out of proportion and being banned by the Country music industry is pathetic and wrong in my opinion. I’m not saying that they are blameless at all, no one is perfect and they have done some “not so smart” things but does it deserve the treatment for the industry?
There are bands that have been making music with political framework that are respected, as I said before, because they're not focusing on one figurehead, like the Dixie Chicks are/were. Neil Young has been doing it for years. Like I said, I'm all for freedom of speech, but there's also a time and place for it, and when people come to be ENTERTAINED BY MUSIC..that's neither. It's actually quite pathetic that they still sell themselves on their politics 3 years later. Colorado's mostly Democratic anyway, so it stands to reason they'd "campaign" there. Controversy sells, I guess.
You can't just blurt out that you're "ashamed" that the President is from the same state as you, as if you're in the position to do so. People will see that as a delusion of grandeur, just because you're in a successful music act. Country artists are "regular people", or atleast that's how most people see them. You can speak your mind, but you should also consider who you're speaking it to, considering the huge Republican fanbase who made you what you are today. I think it was blown out of proportion, and the politics of the South are like no other region. Having spent all of my life there, I would know.
Again, there's a time and a place for everything. I'm sure that many people look at the Chicks as traitors, and even more so since, rebuking their own apology, showing so much more attention to the North because of political affiliations and the fact that that's the only place they sold their newer records.