LOTF luke vs. darth nilihus

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you understand that Darth Nihilus is among the most powerful Force users of all times?

He is very strong in the Force and will give Luke a good challenge in a Force contest.

And Force Lightning can harm even those who are not touched by the Force or loop out of the Force. Proof? Lightning was effective against Vong.

So:

Round 1 is un-predictable.

Round 2 will go in Luke's favour after a good fight.

Round 3 is completely in Luke's Favour.

One of the most powerful force users of his time? Wow, 1) put that into context, how "powerful" does that make him? Because I've not seen him do that much impressive except use his unique drain ability, 2) Luke is the most powerful being in the SW universe, Nihilus is an unproven, over-hyped Sith Lord who was hyped up (in the game) and then just got pwned. Nihilus has done nothing of major note when you exclude his drain ability. Luke on the other hand has pretty much done everything possible of being noted and he's more powerful then anyone we've seen, and probably anyone that will be seen. A little one sided eh? If you took away Nihilus' drain ability, he becomes sub-par at best.

In short, he stands zero chance against someone like Luke, or someone even REMOTELY close to Luke's level of power.

well nihilus did display some good powers like lifting the entire ravager... but still luke > him, his drain is useless with the fallanasi technique in hand. we know jack about his saber skills and he lost to a skimpy jedi padawan and her friends,

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
One of the most powerful force users of his time? Wow, 1) put that into context, how "powerful" does that make him? Because I've not seen him do that much impressive except use his unique drain ability, 2) Luke is the most powerful being in the SW universe, Nihilus is an unproven, over-hyped Sith Lord who was hyped up (in the game) and then just got pwned. Nihilus has done nothing of major note when you exclude his drain ability. Luke on the other hand has pretty much done everything possible of being noted and he's more powerful then anyone we've seen, and probably anyone that will be seen. A little one sided eh? If you took away Nihilus' drain ability, he becomes sub-par at best.

In short, he stands zero chance against someone like Luke, or someone even REMOTELY close to Luke's level of power.

- Nihilus had the ability to drain the life out of an entire planet. How many people had showed power of this magnitude?
- He was a wound in the Force and thus was immune to drain attacks.
- He could cause pain with just his speech.
- He could perform Stasis Field and stun several enemies with it.
- His TK abilities were so strong that he used the Force to lift his Flagship from its orbit around the planet of Malachor V, and kept it together even though it was not space-worthy.

So I would suggest that you open your eyes before jumping to conclusions.

This will be a tough fight for Luke.

Originally posted by Kadesh
well nihilus did display some good powers like lifting the entire ravager... but still luke > him, his drain is useless with the fallanasi technique in hand. we know jack about his saber skills and he lost to a skimpy jedi padawan and her friends,

Despite all this he managed to put up a fight before going down.

Can you imagine the strain he was in and 3 powerful people came to kill him?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He lost because he could not drain Jedi Exile or else the situation of that fight would be different. He was starving and his strength was already being used up on holding the Ravager ship.

Despite all this he managed to put up a fight before going down.

Can you imagine the strain he was in and 3 powerful people came to kill him?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nihilus is un-proven?

- Nihilus had the ability to drain the life out of an entire planet. How many people had showed power of this magnitude?
- He was a wound in the Force and thus was immune to drain attacks.
- He could cause pain with just his speech.
- His TK abilities were so strong that he used the Force to lift his Flagship from its orbit around the planet of Malachor V, and kept it together even though it was not space-worthy.

So I would suggest that you open your eyes before jumping to conclusions.

This will be a tough fight for Luke.

Luke can simply clock himself and remove himself from the force, nihilus 1) cant sense him through the force
2) cant see him with his eyes either

Big trouble for nihilus i sense

btw while it iws remarkable that nihilus lifted the entire ship, sidious lifted an entire SSD which is what 19km long? thats 12x the size of the ravager. Lightnake and some others pointed this out

Originally posted by Kadesh
well yea, but dont get confused with nihilus drain and malaks drain, they are [B]completely different attacks [/B]

Though I would agree that Nihilus's Drain was far more sophisticated in nature.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Drain attacks do the same thing and that is draining the life force of the opponents.

Though I would agree that Nihilus's Drain was far more sophisticated in nature.

Why do you think kreia stated that nihilus knew the greatest sith technique if if was just a simple force drain where every sith padawan knew? Because the answer is that it is a different attack, its different natured, its like the scepter of ragnos

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um luke has done far greater things, cloaking an entire planet with the force, walking on lava, altering gravity, tearing a ISD engine apart like it was nothing.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Luke can simply clock himself and remove himself from the force, nihilus 1) cant sense him through the force
2) cant see him with his eyes either

Originally posted by Kadesh
Big trouble for nihilus i sense

Originally posted by Kadesh
btw while it iws remarkable that nihilus lifted the entire ship, sidious lifted an entire SSD which is what 19km long? thats 12x the size of the ravager. Lightnake and some others pointed this out

But I am curious that when Sidious lifted such a thing and in which source this is mentioned?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Some of these feats are useless in case of a fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Then how could he attack Exile and his companions?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

But I am curious that when Sidious lifted such a thing and in which source this is mentioned.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nihilus is un-proven?

- Nihilus had the ability to drain the life out of an entire planet. How many people had showed power of this magnitude?
- He was a wound in the Force and thus was immune to drain attacks.
- He could cause pain with just his speech.
- He could perform Stasis Field and stun several enemies with it.
- His TK abilities were so strong that he used the Force to lift his Flagship from its orbit around the planet of Malachor V, and kept it together even though it was not space-worthy.

This will be a tough fight for Luke. [/B]

Not exactly. Loops out of the force slices Nihilus into pieces. I won't use his green lightning in this debate because it's not even necessary.

i just want to make it clear, nihilus force consuming ability is completely different than that of an ordinary drain. The scepter of ragnos proves this

Originally posted by Kadesh
no, ever saw the scepter of ragnos? it drains force energies around areas and it can drain the force from objects like the force energies of the massassi temple. It isnt like a normal drain, nihilus replicated this without the use of tools.

Why do you think kreia stated that nihilus knew the greatest sith technique if if was just a simple force drain where every sith padawan knew? Because the answer is that it is a different attack, its different natured, its like the scepter of ragnos

But I agree that Nihilus's Drain is far more sophisticated in nature. Darth Nihilus actually performed Death Field of a massive magnitude.

And not many people knew the art of Drain. Though it was a popular power to be practised by some individuals in KOTOR period.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kadesh! the purpose of a Drain is to Drain the life force of the others.

But I agree that Nihilus's Drain is far more sophisticated in nature.

And not many people knew the art of Drain. Though it was a popular power to be practised by some individuals.

Here is a good brief: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Drain

what the hell are you talking about? i painfully admit that wookiepedia is wrong about nihilus force drain, force drain is to attack living organisms, humans,animals.

Force drain CANNOT drain a planet because it is for attacking organisms. Clearly the visual guide stated that nihilus can drain the geographical landscape of planets as well, and its been proven a force drain CANNOT do that,

Do you know what the scepter of ragnos is? its purpose is NOT to drain other life forms but the landscape and auras surrounding areas, Nihilus apparantly BROUGHT this feat to a new level where it is so powerful that it kills anything in contact.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And not many people knew the art of Drain. Though it was a popular power to be practised by some individuals.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
His force drain was amplified by him being a wound in the force. So any "wound" in the force would be able to take Nihilus out, or anybody that can loop out of the force.

Nihilus was starving and his strength was being utilized on holding his Flagship together. He was in a very bad state.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Furthermore, he couldn't cause pain with his speech, I don't know where you're getting this shit.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Now you jump onto his stasis field and I won't even bother with this because someone forgot to explain to you that gameplay mechanics aren't canon.

Force Stun and Stasis Field abilities are canon and they have been provided in the list of Force Powers in both the KOTOR games for a reason.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
As what he did what his ship, Luke has done the same thing either in the Black Fleet Crisis or sometime in NJO.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Not exactly. Loops out of the force slices Nihilus into pieces. I won't use his green lightning in this debate because it's not even necessary.

Stop under-estimating Nihilus. He was the most powerful Sith Lord of his age.

Originally posted by Kadesh
what the hell are you talking about? i painfully admit that wookiepedia is wrong about nihilus force drain, force drain is to attack living organisms, humans,animals.

Force drain CANNOT drain a planet because it is for attacking organisms. Clearly the visual guide stated that nihilus can drain the geographical landscape of planets as well, and its been proven a force drain CANNOT do that,

Do you know what the scepter of ragnos is? its purpose is NOT to drain other life forms but the landscape and auras surrounding areas, Nihilus apparantly BROUGHT this feat to a new level where it is so powerful that it kills anything in contact.

Was I talking about the magnitude of a Drain attack?

I was talking about the nature and purpose of a Force Drain. And wookieepedia is 100% right.

In simple words: Malak performed Force Drain but Nihilus performed a sophisticated Death Field of a massive magnitude.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What the hell do you mean not many people knew the art yet it is popular, kreia wouldnt have made a statement otherwise. If everybody were to carry bazookas would my father tell other people im having the best weapon of all time above every one else if everybody has it? Hell no

Anyways! this is not a valid subject.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A flawed assumption. Just because Exile along with her companions managed to beat him in a particular situation does not means that he is a loser.

Nihilus was starving and his strength was being utilized on holding his Flagship together. He was in a very bad state.

He could telepathically cause pain to those who he came in contact with and those who survived this, became his mindless slaves. If you have played KOTOR II then you won't be questioning this. He was a perfect monster.

Game Mechanics? Do you know that Darth Vader Force Stunned a Jedi Master in the air in a clash?

Force Stun and Stasis Field abilities are canon and they have been provided in the list of Force Powers in both the KOTOR games for a reason.

Provide me the souce and account of this action.

We are assuming a situation in which Darth Nihilus is prepared to fight and he has no burdens to take care off.

Stop under-estimating Nihilus. He was the most powerful Sith Lord of his age. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Thank God I'm finally taking a logic and reasoning course so I can properly name these fallacies. I believe you're grasping at straws in this one because I never called Nihilus a loser because he lost to the exile, nor did I call him a loser period. And it is NOT a flawed assumption, because Nihilus WILL lose to anyone who is a wound in the force, because he can't feed on them and sort of gets a reciprocal effect.

You are indeed making a flawed assumption.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Prove he was in a bad state. Assumptions don't mean anything.

He was starving because he had not fed on anything in a while before facing Jedi Exile and her companions. And when he tried to Drain Exile, then he was further weakened.

Additionally his power was being also used on holding an entire Flagship together. This was a big burden indeed.

So he was in a bad shape and was also out-numbered by his enemies.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Telepathically? No. He just was, he didn't have a force ability to make those people his mindless slaves. It just happened when anyone looked upon him and saw death in the galaxy. Not to mention you're referring to non force users, which makes the entire point moot.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes, game mechanics. There are no canon sources stating that Nihilus was was able to use a stasis field. That's like saying the Exile knew the force storm just because it was in the game.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, gameplay mechanics=not canon.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You'd have to ask lightsnake. Luke held ships together before, I don't know which specific ones. He also copied images of them with the force and destroyed ships with the force.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yea, when the other sith lords were named Traya and Sion. I would actually argue that Kreia was more powerful than he was in the force, and had more knowledge. Yet she wasn't a wound in the force so she couldn't use the force drain to the degree Nihilus could.

But don't forget that fight in which she was dominated by Nihilus.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How would he loose to any wound in the Force? He cannot fight and win without his Drain power?

You are indeed making a flawed assumption.

He was starving because he had not fed on anything in a while before facing Jedi Exile and her companions. And when he tried to Drain Exile, then he was further weakened.

Additionally his power was being also used on holding an entire Flagship together. This was a big burden indeed.

So he was in a bad shape and was also out-numbered by his enemies.

Well! it is something that provides him some benefit. He was indeed dominating the minds of people in his ship.

Nihilus stunned Exile and his companions in a cut-scene? Didn't he?

Force abilities are not Game Mechanics.

But don't forget that fight in which she was dominated by Nihilus. [/B]

no he forced pushed her into the wall like that SNAP.