Is there a Marvel Character.. ABOVE.. Pretcon Beyonder ?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cause you say so?

This is when you start making stuff up and everything gets flushed, cut it out, before it gets ugly.

The Omniverse was NOT discovered, NOTHING existed Outside the Multiverse,

the Beyonder was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE the Multiverse!!!

Just like the Omniverse is everything in Marvel Now.

So the Multi-verse was EVERYTHING upto May 84' and the Beyond Realm was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE of the Marvel Multi-verse between May 1984 and Nov. 86'

Beyonder was All there was outside the Multiverse

"that houses 616?"

That was the ONLY Multiverse, there were NO other Realities, besides the Multiverse & the Beyond Realm.

Only you must've,

because the Cosmic Vortex didn't even exist back then, that was created Years later.

Beyonder was EVERYTHING Outside the Multiverse ... EVERYTHING!!!

Where was TOAA?

He had to be somewhere Inside the Multiverse.

Actually it's just becuz you wish for your interpretation to win out and supercede. My logic is surely seemless. Just becuz something is said on panel means nothing. It was also said on panel that the magus was supreme. ANd look what happened, it was a ruse. The only reason the beyonder was said to be so powerful is becuz that was all the knowlege that was known then. Surely the beyonder had a creator. who created the beyonder? the writers correct? who are the writers? the one above all if i'm not mistaken. The beyonder never was superior to the one above all. hence why he got retconned, the one above all did this. and nothing you can say can change this. If he were superior, he would still be un retconned. There is nothing in the story with the cosmic vortex to suggest it had just been created. actually the story lends itself that it had always been there and they were just discovering it. I'm so glad that you have such a thick head and just have to have your way and win. lol. you become more apparent everyday. whether your more popular or not, you are still a sore loser and don't like to be wrong ever at all.

Nvr, stop. That's Mr Master. As in, the guy WHO MADE THE MARVEL COSMICS THREAD!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_1-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

HAVE YOU EVEN READ THIS THREAD?! Go, read it. Then shut up.

thread kicks ass masters

Originally posted by xmeat
ass master

I have to make that into an infomercial! (BTW thats not a cut at you xmeat it just jumped out at me)

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nvr, stop. That's Mr Master. As in, the guy WHO MADE THE MARVEL COSMICS THREAD!

Which COULD be full of subjective opinion. Just because DC made the Namor thread doesn't mean he ALWAYS has the right opinion on Namor in EVERY occasion.

Not disagreeing with Mr Master here in the least, just pointing out a flaw in your logic. I get tired of seeing "That's the guy that made XXX Respect Thread! He'd know!"

If anything, it may make them WORSE at gauging a character due to bias. Meh.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nvr, stop. That's Mr Master. As in, the guy WHO MADE THE MARVEL COSMICS THREAD!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_1-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

HAVE YOU EVEN READ THIS THREAD?! Go, read it. Then shut up.

LOL, U R one of the ones who blindly follow like sheep with out ever wondering exactly what you are following. How can the Beyonder have ever been more powerful than the one above all when he is the writers and the writers created the beyonder? use simple logic. it's really easy. try it out. don't just follow someone becuz they are popular, force thier views, or put up nice scans.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
LOL, U R one of the ones who blindly follow like sheep with out ever wondering exactly what you are following. How can the Beyonder have ever been more powerful than the one above all when he is the writers and the writers created the beyonder? use simple logic. it's really easy. try it out. don't just follow someone becuz they are popular, force thier views, or put up nice scans.

TOAA is probably above PreRetBeyonder I do agree with you on that.

Everything else you said was basicly sh*t.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually it's just becuz you wish for your interpretation to win out and supercede. My logic is surely seemless. Just becuz something is said on panel means nothing. It was also said on panel that the magus was supreme.

Beyonder Created a Universe On Panel that was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE the Multiverse!

Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean

"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets...LIFE Arises"

"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND"

"Evolves and Flourishes Within the New Universe, BEGAT (brought into existence) by Beyonder's Power"

"Mortal Beings giving meaning to the INFINITY in which they dwell"

PLUS

If Beyonder's Universe was an Ocean, the Marvel Multiverse would have been a DROP of Water:

"A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean"

Now ... "Our OWN Universe" refers to the Multiverse:

"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

In FACT, in between the years before the Retcon, Beyonder's Universe which was already FAR Greater than the Multiverse, became a Multiverse itself:

How much more Vast still this is, I don't know.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Beyonder Created a Universe On Panel that was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE the Multiverse!

Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean

"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets...LIFE Arises"

"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND"

Evolves and Flourishes, within the NEW UNIVERSE begat (brought into existence) by the Beyonder's Power"

"Within the New Universe, BEGAT (brought into existence) by Beyonder's Power"

"Mortal Beings giving meaning to the INFINITY in which they dwell"

PLUS

If Beyonder's Universe was an Ocean, the Marvel Multiverse would have been a DROP of Water:

"A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean"

Now ... "Our OWN Universe" refers to the Multiverse:

"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

In FACT, in between the years before the Retcon, Beyonder's Universe which was already FAR Greater than the Multiverse, became a Multiverse itself:

How much more Vast still this is, I don't know. [/B]

it doesn't how much the beyonder created on panel. He still had a creator, and his creator was the One above all. Nuff said. Good night.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
TOAA is probably above PreRetBeyonder I do agree with you on that.

Everything else you said was basicly sh*t.

Doesn't matter whether you think so or not. it is the truth. too many people do not question someone they just go off the assumtion that becuz such and such appears to be the authority, they must be right.

interesting

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it doesn't how much the beyonder created on panel. He still had a creator, and his creator was the One above all. Nuff said. Good night.

bluenuts

Originally posted by xmeat
interesting

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it doesn't how much the beyonder created on panel. He still had a creator, and his creator was the One above all. Nuff said. Good night.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
In that case.....
Who created TOAA?

The beyonder. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
In that case.....
Who created TOAA?

😐 🤨

DoctorStrange

Never the less, Master, if TOAA is indeed all of marvel, then he created beyonder since beyonder is a marvel character... TOAA is in every inch of every panel, every dot-color on beyonders skin, even the white space of the beyond realm is part of Marvel, and part of TOAA. His presence is in all of marvel. All energy flows from him. His existence is in the beyonder. If there is any origin to the beyond realm, then TOAA created it...

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
In that case.....
Who created TOAA?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Never the less, Master, if TOAA is indeed all of marvel, then he created beyonder since beyonder is a marvel character... TOAA is in every inch of every panel, every dot-color on beyonders skin, even the white space of the beyond realm is part of Marvel, and part of TOAA. His presence is in all of marvel. All energy flows from him. His existence is in the beyonder. If there is any origin to the beyond realm, then TOAA created it...

i agree. if the premise in this debate is "everthing that marvel introduces in the present and will introduce in the future should be accepted as already existing in the comic universe even before it is conceptualized in the real world and released in publication. hence its release on panel would only translate to the comics universe as discovery of a pre-existing object by any point of view character."

however i would agree with mr. m if the premise of the debate is "nothing exists in the comics universe until it is published and seen on panel regardless of having a history or backstory on the same issue or proceeding issues of its publication"

its going to be hard to debate when two sides dont agree on a premise on which to debate on.

m'gubgub beats everyone2gunsJumpy