great evil beast vs marvel/dc brothers

Started by Thanos_THOTU3 pages

The Great Darkness as it were refered to when it existed in the 80's where in Vertigo, thuss 50% of Yahweh is now.
It's the paradox, if God truley was omnipotent and truley good, why did he create the devil, Satan, why did he create evil?

So God in Vertigo is now both good and evil, two sides merged.
But Yahweh is not supreme as he stated in Lucifer #70, after he merged with the Great Darkness that is.
But Presence is, and the Brothers where to represent all that is in both universes, the supreme beings, the once which's manifastation was everything.
As they said all individual's were unique, that atom will always be that atom, nothing else will ever "be" that atom.
But there were two beings who were exactly the same.
The Brothers, they were the same, they couldent exist with their lack of uniqueness. - It's a paradox, therefore their fight, two omnipotents, it couldent exist in the asme verse, they ended up splitting it.
So they both could stay unique.

Originally posted by swerve1988
i'm just stating its not a TOTALLY one sided argument...
Yes it is.

geb LOSES.... we agree on this....but the brothers leave with a couple scratches and bruises

Originally posted by Galan007
GEB = The Power of one Supreme Being.

The Brothers = Two Supreme Beings.


I will have to dissagree, the Brothers where to represent the companies, in other words the entire staff.

The Great Darkness was in Vertigo, and the evil side of Yahweh.
Yahweh, even after merged with the beast admitted in Lucifer #70 that there were forces above him.

However the Brothers were supreme, thuss no forces were beyond them.

Besides the Great Darkness is only 50% of Yahweh.

Originally posted by swerve1988
geb LOSES.... we agree on this....but the brothers leave with a couple scratches and bruises

Well the DC Brother would probably include the GEB within it so no the odd of it hurting either one are . . .

*calculates*

. . . zero

Originally posted by swerve1988
geb LOSES.... we agree on this....but the brothers leave with a couple scratches and bruises

Lets take the Blue Brother as an example, if he is truley omnipotent.
He should be able to win the fight any way he wants.
After all if he cannot defeat a being without struggle he's not capable of doing "everything" therefore are not truley omnipotent.

So the battle should go something like this.

One Brother blinks, before even the Great Darkness realises where he is and why, and the Great Darkness is no more.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I will have to dissagree, the Brothers where to represent the companies, in other words the entire staff.

The Great Darkness was in Vertigo, and the evil side of Yahweh.
Yahweh, even after merged with the beast admitted in Lucifer #70 that there were forces above him.

However the Brothers were supreme, thuss no forces were beyond them.

Besides the Great Darkness is only 50% of Yahweh.

the darkness was in the universe before yahweh and i just relized that yes the bros. symbolized the 2 companies which means that if the 2 gods were in fact fighting, the LT and spectre should not even have thought about going against their masters let alone trying to stop them or fight them...brothers leave with bruises.

and the GEB isn't 50 of yahweh cuz there would be an evil version of spectre to fight before he could even touch the beast...the two bros each had two "lackeys" the GEB would have one too if he were half...

Originally posted by swerve1988
the darkness was in the universe before yahweh and i just relized that yes the bros. symbolized the 2 companies which means that if the 2 gods were in fact fighting, the LT and spectre should not even have thought about going against their masters let alone trying to stop them or fight them...brothers leave with bruises.

and the GEB isn't 50 of yahweh cuz there would be an evil version of spectre to fight before he could even touch the beast...the two bros each had two "lackeys" the GEB would have one too if he were half...


No, the Great Darkness was writen in the Vertigo universe, and he later merged with Yahweh.
Would you say that:
God (Pure light) + Great Darkness was equal or stronger than Yahweh?

God + Great Darkness = Yahweh
or
God + Great Darkness > Yahweh

50% Great Darkness + 50% Good God = 100% Todays Yahweh

Blue Bro (DC-staff) > Yahweh (admitted that writers where above him) = Good God + Great Darkness.

I would like to see a PR Beyonder vs GEB.
Or PR Beyonder + PR MM vs GEB-thread.

But most of what you're saying is complte speculation Thanos.

Originally posted by Juntai
But most of what you're saying is complte speculation Thanos.

The 50% thing, yes.
But I wouldent say that it equals the most.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I would like to see a PR Beyonder vs GEB.
Or PR Beyonder + PR MM vs GEB-thread.

lightbulb

Originally posted by swerve1988
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The debate would be great ... More of an experiment really, to see who joins which side, and how eager he/she is to defend it.

Originally posted by jasofisc
how did they get retcon

AFAIK never. The Brothers were ever rectonned, though it may be that I missed some DC&Marvel "official" statement 😉 or press conference 😄. But Marvel vs DC isn't considered official, maybe that's what the people mean by recton?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
AFAIK never. The Brothers were ever rectonned, though it may be that I missed some DC&Marvel "official" statement 😉 or press conference 😄. But Marvel vs DC isn't considered official, maybe that's what the people mean by recton?
It was more of an unofficial retcon IMO.

In Marvel v.s. DC, LT and Spectre were nothing to The Brothers. And the Brothers were everything in Marvel and DC.

A few months later, Marvel releases a comic depicting a pannel which makes us believe that LT was responsible for the whole thing, and then they further go on to release information saying that the Brothers were no more then Megaverses.

Originally posted by Galan007
It was more of an unofficial retcon IMO.

In Marvel v.s. DC, LT and Spectre were nothing to The Brothers. And the Brothers were everything in Marvel and DC.

A few months later, Marvel releases a comic depicting a pannel which makes us believe that LT was responsible for the whole thing, and then they further go on to release information saying that the Brothers were no more then Megaverses.

I read this one, hmm, it's obvious that Marvel tried to recton the Brothers...
But it's a shame they tried it with such an arrogant approach.
LT doing the work and needing others only to consult the matter.... Saying that DC is only an Megaverse, and the one Marvel line too but that the rest of Marvel is an Omniverse and DCs Megaverse just one part of it 🤨.
I guess they lost all common sense in this comic 😉.

So truth be told, the Brothers were never rectonned as such a thing can happen only in an Crossover or if both Companies agree 🙂.

One question is, did the Brothers become stronger when they merged?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
One question is, did the Brothers become stronger when they merged?
Who knows? srug

We only see them actually merged together for one panel.

Originally posted by Galan007
Who knows? srug

We only see them actually merged together for one panel.

and it was not by choice

Originally posted by swerve1988
and it was not by choice

And it was not for long 😉.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
One question is, did the Brothers become stronger when they merged?

Actually I think that they indeed became stronger. I mean, look at beings like Dr. StrangeFate or DarkClaw, they seem to have the abilities of both Heroes they were made from.