Originally posted by guy222
Jobber Thanos losing all the time. 😆He will know pain if he's able for a challenge. Stare/Chain and MOP. Again, good nite Titan. Its cool u differ.
You do know the Penance Stare has been survived before, right? And GR's chains aren't doing anything to Thanos when he withstands blasts from beings far more powerful than GR.
Originally posted by bigbran
Well... I don' know about the "majority", but I only use the feats that he has done.Also, Surfer has feats of him fighting super high level beings too, but no one has him fighting abstract levels... Superman does.
Well... I accept him as Skyfather based on all his feats, and you don't have to be on Odin's level, to be on a Skyfather range...
Plus, I am pretty damn sure, that Thanos is way above Vishnu (an actual Skyfather).So based on intelligence, and plans, he is only near Skyfather? He is one of the most successful characters in comics. I wouldn't use plans as a placement...
When a Skyfather wipes out the universe, wipes out half of the population of the universe, becomes the universe... twice, defeats Eternity twice, beats LT, beats a bunch of abstracts... give me a call.The damage he could do with plans... place him above abstracts (as shown). Keep in mind, you said plans, you never ruled out objects.
In duribility? Umm... he would probably be above Skyfather...
Raw power? His raw power had him slugging out with Tyrant.When exactly did Odin give him any sort of damage that would have killed him? Nevermind that he is an Eternal, but all Odin did, was cut up his clothes. Never gave me the feeling of even KOing him... nevermind kill!
Everything you just mentioned has to do with the CC, IG, HOTU, by his own power and durability he could have done none of those things.
It is his knowledge, intelligence, and ability to set plans in motion which makes him able to be on a skyfather range.
But by his own base power and durability, with no curse from death, he doesn't compare.
Originally posted by Board WalkerI know... I said that. His ability to plan, would put him over many, so, don't use that it say a power level.
Everything you just mentioned has to do with the CC, IG, HOTU, by his own power and durability he could have done none of those things.It is his knowledge, intelligence, and ability to set plans in motion which makes him able to be on a skyfather range.
But by his own base power and durability, with no curse from death, he doesn't compare.
That is his character...
Umm... he powered himself up so many times, where do you think he got the power cosmic from... I am counting him now.
Also, without power ups, he would only be like he was on Titan.
Also, of course we will use his power ups, and take them into consideration. With his power (power ups or not, also, they stay, don't they?), he is on a skyfather range of power.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Everything you just mentioned has to do with the CC, IG, HOTU, by his own power and durability he could have done none of those things.It is his knowledge, intelligence, and ability to set plans in motion which makes him able to be on a skyfather range.
But by his own base power and durability, with no curse from death, he doesn't compare.
His knowledge put him on skyfather level?
Thanos has just beaten a Cosmos who is near Cosmic Cube level he sent Galactus flying with a single blast he stalemated Odin he absorb and released so much energy that it made the Universe scream in pain.
Durability he has survived an attack from a being who had more power then Galactus he also withstood an attack from Kosmos.
Thanos is overrated, certainly. Just like Superman.
Both have very, very simple powersets. But, since this is a Thanos thread, let's talk about his powerset and WHY it's way, way under Skyfather. His powers are all physical, where as skyfathers have that AND powers that are meta physical.
First, to show how far below Thanos is, we strip him of powers that mean nothing against a skyfather.
1: Strength. Strength is moot to a skyfather. Odin has limitless strength.
2: Durability. Same as above.
3: Powerful blasts. Moot to most skyfathers because their physical bodies aren't really important.
4: Telepathy. Moot. He's not a powerful enough TP to even give a SF a headache.
5: Low end matter manip. His only "real" power that puts him above someone like Superman. But, he's not good enough of a transmutation expert to be a threat to a SF.
So, after stripping all the powers that simply have no use against a SF, what does Thanos have left?
NADDA! He can't even fly FFS!
He is nowhere near the power of any skyfather.
Originally posted by long pig
Thanos is overrated, certainly. Just like Superman.Both have very, very simple powersets. But, since this is a Thanos thread, let's talk about his powerset and WHY it's way, way under Skyfather. His powers are all physical, where as skyfathers have that AND powers that are meta physical.
First, to show how far below Thanos is, we strip him of powers that mean nothing against a skyfather.
1: Strength. Strength is moot to a skyfather. Odin has limitless strength.
2: Durability. Same as above.
3: Powerful blasts. Moot to most skyfathers because their physical bodies aren't really important.
4: Telepathy. Moot. He's not a powerful enough TP to even give a SF a headache.
5: Low end matter manip. His only "real" power that puts him above someone like Superman. But, he's not good enough of a transmutation expert to be a threat to a SF.
So, after stripping all the powers that simply have no use against a SF, what does Thanos have left?
NADDA! He can't even fly FFS!
He is nowhere near the power of any skyfather.
cosigned
Originally posted by long pigFunny you should bring up overated characters...
Thanos is overrated, certainly. Just like Superman.
Originally posted by long pigTelepathy is physical?
Both have very, very simple powersets. But, since this is a Thanos thread, let's talk about his powerset and WHY it's way, way under Skyfather. His powers are all physical, where as skyfathers have that AND powers that are meta physical.
Originally posted by long pigOh... OK.
First, to show how far below Thanos is, we strip him of powers that mean nothing against a skyfather.
Originally posted by long pigFunny... I remember Vishnu stalemating Thor in test of strength.
1: Strength. Strength is moot to a skyfather. Odin has limitless strength.
Also, Thanos's limit hasn't been seen on strength, but his strength is still moot?
Originally posted by long pigSkyfathers have unlimited duribility?
2: Durability. Same as above.
Also, I remember a Skyfather meaning nothing to Celestails... three of them, and it was due to duribility that they did nothing to him.
This really doesn't make sense though, of what you tried to say on duribility.
Originally posted by long pigDo you even know what a Skyfather is?
3: Powerful blasts. Moot to most skyfathers because their physical bodies aren't really important.
Anyway... if their physical bodies weren't important, then why did Odin die?
Why did all of the Skyfathers, minus two, get killed by Akhenaten?
Originally posted by long pigI know... Maker would also agree.
4: Telepathy. Moot. He's not a powerful enough TP to even give a SF a headache.
Originally posted by long pigHe had trapped the most powerful Skyfather (Odin) in a block of PHYSICAL force for a couple of seconds... Odin is WAY above any of the other Skyfathers, 'cept Zeus.
5: Low end matter manip. His only "real" power that puts him above someone like Superman. But, he's not good enough of a transmutation expert to be a threat to a SF.
Originally posted by long pigI've seen him do more than Zeus has in this department.
So, after stripping all the powers that simply have no use against a SF, what does Thanos have left?NADDA! He can't even fly FFS!
Also, all you have done, is compare Odin to Thanos.
You haven't compared him to Skyfathers at all.
Also, no one has said anything about him being a Skyfather, but people have said that he is a Skyfather LEVEL.
Originally posted by long pigSo... you think Vishnu is way above Thanos?
He is nowhere near the power of any skyfather.
Telepathy is physical?
Matter manip is physical?
Power Cosmic (oh yes, he does indeed have this) is physical?
Etc...
Funny... I remember Vishnu stalemating Thor in test of strength.
Also, when has Odin displayed that he indeed had unlimited strength?
Also, Hulk has unlimited strength... OMG SKYFATHER!
Odin can boost his strength with the odin power.
Also, Thanos's limit hasn't been seen on strength, but his strength is still moot?
Skyfathers have unlimited duribility?
Also, I remember a Skyfather meaning nothing to Celestails... three of them, and it was due to duribility that they did nothing to him.
Thanos isn't as durable as a celestial or a SF, so that's moot.
A SF doesn't NEED to attack physically, therefore durability is next to useless.
Anyway... if their physical bodies weren't important, then why did Odin die?
Why did all of the Skyfathers, minus two, get killed by Akhenaten?
If you can't teleport, fly, transmute high-end, time travel, reality bend, soul destroy, power steal, mentally control objects, you aren't near a SF. Thanos can't do any of these unless he uses his stockpile of tech, which isn't allowed here.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Funny how in that last part it was almost as though Pig was talking about Strange...... 😖hifty:
But, do be near SF, you almost HAVE to have powers that are magical in nature. At the very least, powers that can duplicate magic and aren't vulnerable to magic....like power cosmic.
Honestly, although in comics it shows otherwise, I see Surfer as more powerful than Thanos. Thanos is simply more durable.
Superman is written more powerful in comics than people like Hal Jordan, but we all know he's not.
Originally posted by long pigThanos must have missed the memo on his own powers...
Matter manip is. Cosmic Power is as well. I dealt with TP already.
Thanos doesn't have power cosmic TMK..
Originally posted by long pigIt might... I could see him punching out some Skyfathers.
Did you miss the point? Strength isn't something that will win against a SF. Simple as that.
Originally posted by long pigThanos can boost his strength too, I'm still not saying his strength is unlimited.
Odin can boost his strength with the odin power.
Originally posted by long pigThor stalemated Vishnu in h2h...
Still moot. He's not stronger than a SF.
Originally posted by long pigNo... three of the best blacksmiths in Asgard made Mjolnir...
Against physical based attacks? Yeah. Shields and enchantments. Odin made mjolnir with basically unlimited durability.
Also, Thanos dropped this hammer, with a field.
Originally posted by long pigBut, you just said that duribility doesn't matter to a Skyfather.
You didn't get the point at all, did you?Thanos isn't as durable as a celestial or a SF, so that's moot.
A SF doesn't NEED to attack physically, therefore durability is next to useless.
Wait... Thanos isn't as durible as some?
Anyway... all I have really seen is a Skyfather attack physically...
You also need to stop comparing Odin to Thanos...
Because, Odin's powers DON'T go for other Skyfathers.
Originally posted by long pigNo, but you just said that their bodies mean nothing to them.
Odin was killed by above-SF-magic and above-Thanos-power. You don't think Thanos could punch Odin to death, do you? No, you don't. But the thing is, I mean, that's really all he can do.
Obviously they don't. This was a reason why Thanos isn't a Skyfather isn't it?
Also, this isn't Odin level, this is Skyfather. Odin is the most powerful Skyfather.
Originally posted by long pigSo... you are in someway implying that Strange = a Skyfather right?
If you can't teleport, fly, transmute high-end, time travel, reality bend, soul destroy, power steal, mentally control objects, you aren't near a SF. Thanos can't do any of these unless he uses his stockpile of tech, which isn't allowed here.
Also, I don't remember about... all but one Skyfather doing even half of these powers.
So, we are using Thanos as his normal powers throughout the years? No objects, only forever power?
Where do you think Thanos got his power from?
Fly?
This is after Thanos activated the Power Cosmic that he doesn't have...
Also, where does giving someone immortality fit into the whole Skyfather debate?
*another thing on Power Cosmic, but this is of little importance... now*
OMG, THANOS GAVE HIM THE POWER TO NOT DIE... not a good... whatever it is, feat at all?
