Thor vs. Apacolypse

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That Thor isn't so high as to beat someone like Apoc 8/10. That's giving Thor far too much credit. Apoc is far faster, stronger and more durable than Thor. and He's certainly Got as wide a range of attacks as thor considering he can control every molecule of his body.

Yes he is. Any top tier herald lv character could easily defeat Apoc.

Apoc isn't stronger, faster, nor more durable.

Apoc isn't nearly as versatile as Thor. How's manipulating his molecules going to help him cause harm to Thor? It will only aid in his physical attributes which isn't going to help him gain the upper hand.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Apoc isn't nearly as versatile as Thor. How's manipulating his molecules going to help him cause harm to Thor? It will only aid in his physical attributes which isn't going to help him gain the upper hand.

Actually, I think Apoc has a bit more versatile here.

I mean, how about turning his arms into shields to block Thor's attacks?

Create holes in his body to evade Thor's hammer? (Although he could just teleport to do that.)

Or turning his arms into hammers and really beat the hell out of him? Ok, that's an exaggeration, but if Apoc has a shot, he could do it.

I don't think Apoc is faster than Thor, but he can be very fast, particularly agile, and could evade many of the attacks Thor throws at him, by, for example, simply stretching his body from here to there.

Apoc also has a healing factor, which gives him an edge to regenerate from the damage that is inflicted upon him.

Physically, I'm pretty sure Apoc could keep up with Thor.

Apoc also has energy powers to his disposal, and can additionally fire energy blasts to hurt Thor.

Oh, and haven't Thor had enemies like Wrecker fighting him?

*waits for bigbran to correct me 😄*

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Actually, I think Apoc has a bit more versatile here.

I mean, how about turning his arms into shields to block Thor's attacks?

Create holes in his body to evade Thor's hammer? (Although he could just teleport to do that.)

Or turning his arms into hammers and really beat the hell out of him? Ok, that's an exaggeration, but if Apoc has a shot, he could do it.

I don't think Apoc is faster than Thor, but he can be very fast, particularly agile, and could evade many of the attacks Thor throws at him, by, for example, simply stretching his body from here to there.

Apoc also has a healing factor, which gives him an edge to regenerate from the damage that is inflicted upon him.

Physically, I'm pretty sure Apoc could keep up with Thor.

Apoc also has energy powers to his disposal, and can additionally fire energy blasts to hurt Thor.

Oh, and haven't Thor had enemies like Wrecker fighting him?

*waits for bigbran to correct me 😄*

Apoc doesn't have many powers other than molecular control and tp. Turning your arm into a table does not equal versatility. Growing tall does not equal versatility.

So creating a hole in his body to avoid a hammer thats not going to be thrown is going to help in what way? Also, there is nothing Apoc has ever done that indicates he possess ftl reaction times, something he will need to possess in order to avoid a thrown Mjolnir.

Turn his arms into hammers? He'd still get out skilled.

How's Apoc gonna avoid being bfr'd or even struck with an anti-gravity blast?

Um, Thor too has a healing factor. A healing factor won't help when it's overloaded with damage from Mjolnir.

I doubt it, however even if he could he'd still get out skilled.

What are energy blast going to help? Mjolnir absorbs energy like it's oxygen.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle4.jpg

😑 Do you have any idea what molecular control means? IT MEANS HE CAN GIVE HIMSELF ANY PHYSICAL SUPER POWER! Apocalypse also has considerable energy manipulation and matter manipulation skills. Not to mention TK strong enough to raise up a giant palace, punk Exodus, forcefields able to withstand enormous force, unlimited stamina, teleportation and other powers. Mjolnir is the ONLY reason Thor has a chance against Apoc. Apoc will probably win 6-7/10. I'm giving Thor his props.

Thor has beaten Gladiator. Thor has beaten Thanos. Thor has beaten Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock at the same time. Thor has punked Phoenix. The insane amounts of power, durability, speed, magic and skill he'd need to accomplish those feats far outstrip anything Apocalypse has ever shown.

It's nice to see people who don't underestimate Apocalypse trying to root for the guy. He's like the Darkseid of Marvel, a character who was built up and torn down many times over. And it's tough to see someone who has such grand schemes and motivations be constantly punked and disrespected, especially with the amount of grand posturing he commits in every scene he appears. But the fact remains, he is not in Thor's league. Apocalypse is not on the same platform as Thanos, Surfer, Gladiator, etc. Thor is. Apocalypse is not.

Thor 8/10. Apocalypse on his best day, would be crafty enough to give Thor pause. But he would never overpower him.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😑 Do you have any idea what molecular control means? IT MEANS HE CAN GIVE HIMSELF ANY PHYSICAL SUPER POWER! Apocalypse also has considerable energy manipulation and matter manipulation skills. Not to mention TK strong enough to raise up a giant palace, punk Exodus, forcefields able to withstand enormous force, unlimited stamina, teleportation and other powers. Mjolnir is the ONLY reason Thor has a chance against Apoc. Apoc will probably win 6-7/10. I'm giving Thor his props.

You make it sound as if thats impressive. The only powers Apoc can grant himself with complete molecular control are enhanced strength and durability, two attributes that will be of no aid in this battle.

Apoc is not even in the same realm as Thor when it comes to energy manipulation. What has Apoc done anything of substance or that designates recognition in terms of energy manipulation? Never.

Tk strong enough to lift buildings? This is gonna help how against a being that can move worlds?

His forcefields will help him none. Thor as shown in a battle with Kang can simply phase through the shield.

Unlimited stamina?

Teleportation? You sound like a wiki article.

Apoc has no means to keep Thor from his hammer.

It's funny you argue for Apoc when Thor has every advantage in this fight. Strength, speed, durability, energy manipulation, versatility, skill, experience, etc. Thor takes this battle easily.

9-10/10

😆

Wow.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Apoc doesn't have many powers other than molecular control and tp. Turning your arm into a table does not equal versatility. Growing tall does not equal versatility.

So creating a hole in his body to avoid a hammer thats not going to be thrown is going to help in what way? Also, there is nothing Apoc has ever done that indicates he possess ftl reaction times, something he will need to possess in order to avoid a thrown Mjolnir.

Turn his arms into hammers? He'd still get out skilled.

How's Apoc gonna avoid being bfr'd or even struck with an anti-gravity blast?

Um, Thor too has a healing factor. A healing factor won't help when it's overloaded with damage from Mjolnir.

I doubt it, however even if he could he'd still get out skilled.

What are energy blast going to help? Mjolnir absorbs energy like it's oxygen.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsSurferfirstbattle4.jpg

If Hulk can fight Thor, then I see no reason why Apoc can't.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
HE CAN GIVE HIMSELF ANY PHYSICAL SUPER POWER!

Thought not.

Originally posted by Lord S
That is the single biggest myth in comic book history. I have never seen one instance of that happening. Everybody who says this has clearly read it off some bio, but has this ever been backed up on panel?

A direct quote from this scan http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png (From Cyclops in regards to Apocalypse)"..in every previous encounter, when he was more our size, apocalypse was the consummate shape changer, manifesting any martial (i.e. combat) ability necessary to tip the balance in his favor.."

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
A direct quote from this scan http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png (From Cyclops in regards to Apocalypse)"..in every previous encounter, when he was more our size, apocalypse was the consummate shape changer, manifesting any martial (i.e. combat) ability necessary to tip the balance in his favor.."

the only thing that gives thor a chance against APOC id the hammer

no mjolnir = thor's burial

Originally posted by swerve1988
the only thing that gives thor a chance against APOC id the hammer

no mjolnir = thor's burial

Thats why he'll have possession of Mjolnir. Apoc has no means of separating Thor from his weapon.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
If Hulk can fight Thor, then I see no reason why Apoc can't.

Originally posted by Lord S
That is the single biggest myth in comic book history. I have never seen one instance of that happening. Everybody who says this has clearly read it off some bio, but has this ever been backed up on panel?

Thought not.

One Godblast later and Apoc realises the clear dividing line between Strongest 'Mutant' and Strongest 'God'.

Originally posted by bigbran

Were you trying to say something bigbran? 😕

How come nobody has brought up the idea of a TK grab to take the hammer from Thor, or using TP on him? Hell, a TK crush would probably hurt Thor quite abit.

Doop ftw. 🙂

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
How come nobody has brought up the idea of a TK grab to take the hammer from Thor, or using TP on him? Hell, a TK crush would probably hurt Thor quite abit.

The fact that Thor has never been seperated by Mjolnir against his will via TK may be the reason that tactic has bee ignored.

It's already been established that Thor has a strong resistance to TP. Any offensive tactic Apoc has at his disposel, Thor can counter.

Where was it established he can resist someone over Xavier in TP? or over Exodus? And as I recall, Magneto separated Thor from his hammer via magnetics. and show me a scan that he can't be separated from it by TK. or by someone on Apoc's level of TK.