Originally posted by Hercules
Wouldn't that fight be pretty early on in Caps career though? (forgive me if I'm wrong I haven't read the issue in question) in which case I would give the edge in experience and skill to T'charka.
I can agree with that, but people still dont want to accept it.
I mean its captain america!!!!!
Here are a couple of things I would like to say about Hudlin.
For one I don't believe the guy is racist anyone who worked on the Boondocks is far from it as that show makes fun of every culture known toman but mostly the Black society at its worst.
I don't have a problem with Wakanda being so advanced or even Blank Panther and Storm Marrying. The fight with Cap was poorly established so I don't even have a problem with that.
The problem I have with the recent BP books is just their hole vibe and the work Hudlin put into it.
First off I would like to point out that Hudlin does over play the race issue especially the race realtionship between blacks and whites. Hudlin fails to use the idea of a nation of isolationists in Wakandans with vast resources.
Honestly AK even in the scan you show of Cap giving BP the shield he refers to the idea that every "whiteman" would genocide against wakanda for it. Honestly there are more races then just white people that would work hard to get Wakanda's resources. Spanish, Arab, even other black people. Hoenstly instead of saying whitepeople BP should have been talking about how every other nation in the world would wnat to have his nation's resources.
I think that is where Hudlin falls short on his projects. I think he takes the notion of comic books as to chidlish and makes them to simple a focus on subjcts instead of writing complex stories that actually deal with issues. Instead he makes everything black vs white. He makes the wakandans some Utpoia that is supposed to represnt every black person on the planet instead of a nation in Africa that dislikes almost everything else in the world.
He aslo fails to read up on the character only taking the basic knoweldge into account. The Klaw is a perfect example of this where Hudlin really doesn't take the time to research into characters.
He is also turning BP into an A*hole who cares about nothing more the skin color on a matter then anything else. Instead of being the deep thinking T'Challa whose more present issues are about the security of his nation's and people's safety. T'Challa has become anoble that loooks down on everyone around him and is overtly charactrized as being better than everyone.
This simplistic writing is frowned upon by all writers in comics because it is to simple when comics have been shown to be an avenue for much better work.
Also the idea of race relations whould be much better done on a much more street level character like Luke Cage then international symbol like Black Panther who deals with far more complex problems.
I think Hudlin could learn to keep things better in perspective for the character he is writing and the plots he decides to use with said character. You just can't use bad writing on something and expect people not to call you out on it.
Originally posted by Newjak
Here are a couple of things I would like to say about Hudlin.For one I don't believe the guy is racist anyone who worked on the Boondocks is far from it as that show makes fun of every culture known toman but mostly the Black society at its worst.
I don't have a problem with Wakanda being so advanced or even Blank Panther and Storm Marrying. The fight with Cap was poorly established so I don't even have a problem with that.
The problem I have with the recent BP books is just their hole vibe and the work Hudlin put into it.
First off I would like to point out that Hudlin does over play the race issue especially the race realtionship between blacks and whites. Hudlin fails to use the idea of a nation of isolationists in Wakandans with vast resources.
Honestly AK even in the scan you show of Cap giving BP the shield he refers to the idea that every "[b]whiteman
" would genocide against wakanda for it. Honestly there are more races then just white people that would work hard to get Wakanda's resources. Spanish, Arab, even other black people. Hoenstly instead of saying whitepeople BP should have been talking about how every other nation in the world would wnat to have his nation's resources.I think that is where Hudlin falls short on his projects. I think he takes the notion of comic books as to chidlish and makes them to simple a focus on subjcts instead of writing complex stories that actually deal with issues. Instead he makes everything black vs white. He makes the wakandans some Utpoia that is supposed to represnt every black person on the planet instead of a nation in Africa that dislikes almost everything else in the world.
He aslo fails to read up on the character only taking the basic knoweldge into account. The Klaw is a perfect example of this where Hudlin really doesn't take the time to research into characters.
He is also turning BP into an A*hole who cares about nothing more the skin color on a matter then anything else. Instead of being the deep thinking T'Challa whose more present issues are about the security of his nation's and people's safety. T'Challa has become anoble that loooks down on everyone around him and is overtly charactrized as being better than everyone.
This simplistic writing is frowned upon by all writers in comics because it is to simple when comics have been shown to be an avenue for much better work.
Also the idea of race relations whould be much better done on a much more street level character like Luke Cage then international symbol like Black Panther who deals with far more complex problems.
I think Hudlin could learn to keep things better in perspective for the character he is writing and the plots he decides to use with said character. You just can't use bad writing on something and expect people not to call you out on it. [/B]
I can agree with this Newjack, He does use race alot, but at the same time there is no easy way to go about race, it ugly every way you look at it, and with Hudlin being the type of person he is (look at boondocks) we know he is a race man not afraid to test those boundary's, which is why marvel hired him.
People need to understand, there is no classy, or easy way to go about race, it ugly anyway you look at it, truly at BP and Storms level. I just don't want people undermining even black superhero that comes along, don't get me wrong, I know alot of people on this forum like to put storm on a pedestal, and even I know she can win half the battles she is in.
But because Hudlin says she is possible omega, everyone has an uproar. Yet spidey says Sentry Stalemated Galactus and its "Cool". You see!?
I just felt something had to be said, things are getting out of hand, my best advice for anybody, if you don't like the book, don't read it, it is a touchy book that does deal with touchy issues no different then the civil war.
Oh and Newjack, that Scan was from BP V2 #30, preist run 😉
To be fair the statement "Sentry Stalemated Galactus" made me cringe! but I agree race is a sensitive issue and Hudlin is pretty in your face, it does get you publicity however and it worked in Panthers case.
Sales are higher than ever for his title and people are talking about him, be it hating him or loving him and as they say "there is no such thing as bad publicity".
I think as many people will buy this title to see what Hudlin does next and to curse about it, as will pick it up because they love the title.
And as long as he sells comics Hudlin will have a job with Marvel.
Originally posted by ApolloknightI can agree with this.
I can agree with this Newjack, He does use race alot, but at the same time there is no easy way to go about race, it ugly every way you look at it, and with Hudlin being the type of person he is (look at boondocks) we know he is a race man not afraid to test those boundary's, which is why marvel hired him.People need to understand, there is no classy, or easy way to go about race, it ugly anyway you look at it, truly at BP and Storms level. I just don't want people undermining even black superhero that comes along, don't get me wrong, I know alot of people on this forum like to put storm on a pedestal, and even I know she can win half the battles she is in.
But because Hudlin says she is possible omega, everyone has an uproar. Yet spidey says Sentry Stalemated Galactus and its "Cool". You see!?
I just felt something had to be said, things are getting out of hand, my best advice for anybody, if you don't like the book, don't read it, it is a touchy book that does deal with touchy issues no different then the civil war.
Oh and Newjack, that Scan was from BP V2 #30, preist run 😉
And your right there is no easy way to take up the issue of race but I think Hudlin took the Comic Book medium to simplistic in his approach on the matter. Face it in most of his comments based on race relations it is whites are bad blacks are good and blacks are always being discriminated against. That isn't the way to do it.
And for someone who has worked o nthe Boondocks he more anyother writer they bring in for matter should know this. 😬
This I feel is the wrong stance to make on the subject of race relations especially concerning Black Panther who for the most part has always been a more deep thinker then this.
Also for the record you listen to most people and they all agree that Sentry could not stalemate a decent Glacatus.
Oh and for the record I never said I cared if it was preist's run or Hudlin's the notion that an Isolationist kingdom really cares about just whites attacking is foolish writing on anyones part 😉