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lord xyz Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Parker
another one of his lies.

Do you have a life? Really. Do you?

Deano Senior Member

Prominent 9/11 Truth Debunker Admits Smear Tactics

'A prominent debunker of skeptics of the official 9/11 story has broken ranks and confessed that he used underhand tactics, including fallacious attribution of holocaust denial, to smear the credibility of the 9/11 truth movement.

Screw Loose Change was initially a venture undertaken by two individuals to debunk what they considered to be a number of flaws contained in Dylan Avery's film. However, one of those individuals now states that the focus soon shifted from Loose Change and became a campaign to attack, "any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever".'

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/140307smeartactics.htm

J-Beowulf Senior Member

Originally posted by Deano
Prominent 9/11 Truth Debunker Admits Smear Tactics
'A prominent debunker of skeptics of the official 9/11 story has broken ranks and confessed that he used underhand tactics, including fallacious attribution of holocaust denial, to smear the credibility of the 9/11 truth movement.
Screw Loose Change was initially a venture undertaken by two individuals to debunk what they considered to be a number of flaws contained in Dylan Avery's film. However, one of those individuals now states that the focus soon shifted from Loose Change and became a campaign to attack, "any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever".'
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/140307smeartactics.htm

Is that story covered anywhere other than "www.prisonplanet.com"?

lord xyz Restricted

Originally posted by Deano
Prominent 9/11 Truth Debunker Admits Smear Tactics
'A prominent debunker of skeptics of the official 9/11 story has broken ranks and confessed that he used underhand tactics, including fallacious attribution of holocaust denial, to smear the credibility of the 9/11 truth movement.
Screw Loose Change was initially a venture undertaken by two individuals to debunk what they considered to be a number of flaws contained in Dylan Avery's film. However, one of those individuals now states that the focus soon shifted from Loose Change and became a campaign to attack, "any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever".'
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/140307smeartactics.htm

What are you saying? Because prisonplanet says one is biased, all of them are? If I had the name of that debunker, I just wouldn't trust him specifically. That's the way it goes.

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Deano
yes i understand your arguments for the first two buildings but ive been through those questions a 100 times and wont do so again. building 7 wasnt hit by a plane. and saying oil fires did it doesnt cut it

Oil fires played a huge part of it. Please prove me otherwise from a scientific/physics point of view, not taint it and dismiss it with utter indifference. It couldn't have done it by itself, it only weakens it, other factors come into play.

Originally posted by Deano
yeh you always say prove it. the proof is there if you look. ask the government to prove there version of events before you start pointing the finger at me.

Yes, I always say prove it. Why? Unless you can make a point and prove yourself right, getting into a major debate is simply useless. I'm pointing the finger at you because you're presenting an extremely lopsided version of events, from which certain questions and ambiguities need to be answered.

I don't need the government's or your version of events. I watch the videos, I read the analytical damage reports, I find the pictures of the collapse and from there I make my point. It just so happens to be that my version of events seems to be quite similar to the government's. What happens to me then, I get called a coward for not believing something fishy is going on. Hooray.

Originally posted by Deano
i advised you to stop because you are sending us in circles.

A little ironic, isn't it, not from only a single standpoint.

A.) I have consistently provided points that prove that there is a reasonable doubt in your explanation and in PrisonPlanet's view of events. Your answer is to completely avoid them. And yet you tell me to remain on topic.

B.)This thread is mainly based on whether or not Building Seven was taken down by demo or whether it collapsed on its own. You drag the NWO into this. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING SEVEN and BUILDING SEVEN ONLY. And yet you tell me to remain on topic.

Originally posted by Deano
absolute rubbish. more proof that you will believe anything.

Please prove factually that I am wrong and that my explanation is rubbish. And please explain to me scientifically why my explanation is rubbish.

Originally posted by Deano
the evidence is real. the towers fell too neat and too quickly. im not going over this again. i see you obviously have the time.

Your evidence consists of so far, unexplained squibs and the fact that the "towers" fell too neat and too quickly. (Do you think a few tons of weakened steel girder can withstand impact from several thousand tons of concrete, glass, and metal?)

If the primary support column of the building buckles, it's like a body without a skeleton. It would collapse like a jellyfish on dry land. There is simply no refuting it.

Originally posted by Deano
more rubbish. your flogging a dead horse now. someones in denial.
sure.i dont think you understand. bless.

Please come back to me when you have irrefutable evidence that building seven in fact was taken down by demolition and kindly refrain from nonsensical and unnecessary comments intended for filler.

im not bias. i want answers. you obviously dont question the government. im sure you will say that you do. what do you question them about exactly? im excited to hear

Yes, you are biased. Simply by wanting to "find out the truth" is assuming that the government is already in the wrong. I don't question the government's reason for collapse because it scientifically makes sense from the actual hard evidence and excluding all other 'versions' of events, unlike your rambling.

And oh, you assume that I do. Wrong.

Originally posted by Deano
you are ignorant .you cant see the two differences of people in photographs. you argue everything because of ignorance. because you cant face what it will mean. waste of space you are

Wrong again. I can see differences between the faces in those photographs.

However, unlike you, I do not stupidly presume instantly that they are different people. I accept the fact that elements can come into play to make people look very different on camera. I believe it is you who is acting ignorant in this case.

Originally posted by Deano
yeh ok. prison planet is the only website out there. id be suspicious of a government when all the evidence points towards them being the culprits. have you heard about 'operation northwoods'? or the 'project for the new american century'? read it.

There is no "evidence", there is only speculation. Don't try to change the subject.

Originally posted by Deano
twisted in your opinion because you want to believe otherwise. therefore the info i post must be twisted. sure

It is cold fact that they are biased, remarkably so. There is no denying that whatsoever. They have already twisted evidence and statements in the past, so yes, there is a good chance that any info you're taking from there is highly blemished.

Originally posted by Deano
wrong again. it wont leak out fast at all. not if they dont want it too and they control the people at the top of the pyramids. you are clueless of how the system works.

You are making false statements. Even if the 'top of the pyramid' was indeed under control, there are still an absolute massive amount of people, MILLIONS, that would be glad to take the chance to spread shit about the government. Even MORE are unaware and neutral on the subjectIt would spread and MASSIVELY. Denying something like this is simply against common sense. It only takes one flame from a lighter to cause a forest fire.

Originally posted by Deano
what hard evidence doyou have to prove otherwise? see?

You're begging the question and running around in circles. I seem to remember saying that I was never trying to find a solution, only trying to show you that you are wrong about building seven and offering my take on the situation.

Originally posted by Deano
dotn talk to me about logic

Don't talk to me about ignorancy.

Originally posted by Deano
no it cant, NOT IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME. oh wait..sorry, it was oil fires..how stupid of me. i can sleep at night now.

Oil fires aren't ordinary. They go to about 2000-3000 Celsius depending on the type of fuel alight.

Steel starts to melt at about 1700.

Do the math.

Originally posted by Deano
theres holes in everything. we have to read until we make up our own minds about what is happening in the world. you can press all you want, and as long as you keep saying ''fire can bring down a modern building within a coupleof hours'' then i will continue to ignore it has best i can as i would ignore a child making silly statements.

Get it right, it's a class B blaze. Read above. Please provide reasonable, if not irrefutable proof that I am wrong. Saying "Fire can't bring down a building within a coupla hours" isn't going to do anything.

Right, right. I'M the child making silly statements, yet you have not once proved me wrong. Another "Deano Idiosyncracy"?

Originally posted by Deano
open you eyes and measure the speed of the drop. you are not blind are you? oh wait..

How original.

It does look like it is falling fast, but is it free fall? Is it? Your 'experts' at PrisonPlanet have claimed that it is matching gravitational acceleration.

Tell me, with the extremely poor quality of the video, the distance at which it was shot, the suddenness of the drop, the angle of the walls...do you really think it is possible to measure gravitational acceleration of a falling wall to the point of accuracy at 9.81m/s/s?

J-Beowulf Senior Member

Bump.

First reason: To bump this video.

Second reason: Showing how Deano completely ignores arguments.

Have a nice day.

Deano Senior Member

this video sucks. Screw Loose Change was initially a venture undertaken by two individuals to debunk what they considered to be a number of flaws contained in Dylan Avery's film. However, one of those individuals now states that the focus soon shifted from Loose Change and became a campaign to attack, "any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever."

and ive not ignored anything. im not starting this crap again arguing with ignorant people. dark c can have the last word if it makes him happy.

the idiots can stay idiots.

J-Beowulf Senior Member

Originally posted by Deano
this video sucks. Screw Loose Change was initially a venture undertaken by two individuals to debunk what they considered to be a number of flaws contained in Dylan Avery's film. However, one of those individuals now states that the focus soon shifted from Loose Change and became a campaign to attack, "any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever."
and ive not ignored anything. im not starting this crap again arguing with ignorant people. dark c can have the last word if it makes him happy.
the idiots can stay idiots.

So people who don't agree with you are idiots? No wonder you hate the government, what with their free speech and all...

Deano Senior Member

well they want to censor the internet.

J-Beowulf Senior Member

Originally posted by Deano
well they want to censor the internet.

Right, they're shackling free speech alright, which is why conspiracy theorists are free to say what they will, and Avery can make his movie? That's why all you have to do is type in "sex" in google and you're linked to millions of pornographic sites? That's why you can search any anti-government topic and have thousands of websites pop up, all unobstructed by the government? Why thousands rally in front of the White House, protesting against the government?

If they wanted to censor the internet that video would have been down before 10 people could have seen it. Give me a break. Free speech is alive and well.

Deano Senior Member

they are trying i said. its not in full operation yet and i hope it never will be.

J-Beowulf Senior Member

Originally posted by Deano
they are trying i said. its not in full operation yet and i hope it never will be.

They are? Do you have any examples?

lord xyz Restricted

Originally posted by Deano
this video sucks. Screw Loose Change was initially a venture undertaken by two individuals to debunk what they considered to be a number of flaws contained in Dylan Avery's film. However, one of those individuals now states that the focus soon shifted from Loose Change and became a campaign to attack, "any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever."
and ive not ignored anything. im not starting this crap again arguing with ignorant people. dark c can have the last word if it makes him happy.
the idiots can stay idiots.

So? Just because the guy is determined to test a conspiracy theory for truth, the video "sucks"? The video accurately represents how gullible and stupid conspiracy conspiracy theorists can be, and that we shouldn't rush into everything. I at first, alreasdy knew Loose Change was a crap video with lies and flaws in it. It being bad makes conspiracies look bad, which I don't want. You don't agree with Screw Loose Change because it has debunked conspiracy claims like the Osama Bin Laden fake and the pentagon being hit by a missle and the WTC being demolished. I admit, I used to believe it was n't Osama either, but looking at the evidence, I have decided and admitted I was wrong to think that -- which is what a fair debator does.

You might hate the video, but you know it's true. You just won't admit it. And what's this about the two individuals? The only name I saw was Mike Iradian.

KharmaDog Dyslexic Agnostic

Originally posted by Deano
they are trying i said. its not in full operation yet and i hope it never will be.

A global wide conspiracey propagated by the illuminatie who are blessed with ultimate power and influence (not to mention the assistence of alien technology, assistence and dna, are only trying?

Apparently then, there is little reason to fear them for they lack any significant power (or infact, they don't exist).