Are you open to the possibility that you may be wrong ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ofcourse, personally, this thread is meant to address Christians and Muslims, however, for the sake of being fair, I want to ask everyone this....

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, alike (and whatever other religion you identify with)

[b]Are you at ALL open to the possibility that you can be wrong ? That your beleifs/conclusions could be false ?

If so, why ?

If not, why not ? [/B]

if i had any doubt in my religion i wouldn't be following it would I?
thats just common sense

Originally posted by muslimscholar
if i had any doubt in my religion i wouldn't be following it would I?
thats just common sense

Many people follow a religion and have hidden doubt.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Hmmmm. While slightly off topic you really have dropped your "A Christian person wants to know the devil's side" persona haven't you? Makes me wonder if you ever had it. Not that I would be implying you're a sock or anything.

As to the question - yes, I certainly am.

It is perfectly respectable, indeed admirable, to have conviction in ones stance, ones view. All the more so when they are able to argue it and defend it in a high standard fashion - that is a stance substantiated by more then simply blind faith.

However in my eyes it is just as courageous and noble to have an open mind. The moment a person says "I can't be wrong and as such nor can my beliefs" is the moment a person has shut down the ability to learn and grow in that particular field. To embrace ignorance. As essentially an Atheist I feel I have good reason to think of myself as such - but I enjoy a good debate, be it participating in or watching. This includes religion.

If I find out God/gods exist - good. I wouldn't turn a blind eye and pretend the other way because I have to much pride to admit a mistake -because baseless pride is just foolish pride, the pride of the unrepentantly and proudly ignorant (Marchello I think of you). I doubt it will happen, as it seems the quality of proof I ask for is unreasonable and apparently even unthinkable from various Gods, even if they do exist, but if they ever feel like putting themselves forward I will be more then happy to listen.

Another serious poster 🙄 Tsk tsk tsk

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ofcourse, personally, this thread is meant to address Christians and Muslims, however, for the sake of being fair, I want to ask everyone this....

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, alike (and whatever other religion you identify with)

[b]Are you at ALL open to the possibility that you can be wrong ? That your beleifs/conclusions could be false ?

If so, why ?

If not, why not ? [/B]

Of course not, why? Porque it makes absolutely no sense to adhere to a religion if think it being wrong is a possiblity.

Originally posted by muslimscholar
if i had any doubt in my religion i wouldn't be following it would I?

Do you?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ofcourse, personally, this thread is meant to address Christians and Muslims, however, for the sake of being fair, I want to ask everyone this....

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, alike (and whatever other religion you identify with)

Are you at ALL open to the possibility that you can be wrong ? That your beleifs/conclusions could be false ?

If so, why ?

If not, why not ?

Let me answer this question with a question.

Do you think someone can always be right?

If your answer to this question is "yes", then you've agreed that absolute correctness exists, or as it is more appropriately termed "absolute truth."

And if your answer to this question is "no", then you'll still be asserting that you are always right about people always being wrong about something, and thus by doing so you'll have once again validated the existence of absolute truth.

All that being stated, I believe the truth that I follow is great enough to overcome any other, since it is absolute in it's nature.

You see Urizen if one already believes in the possible fallibility of their position, then they've already conceeded that the supposed "truth" supporting stated position, will at some point be overcome by the absoluteness of another's.

Originally posted by Thundar
Let me answer this question with a question...

I never trust anyone who answers a question with a question.

Originally posted by Thundar
Let me answer this question with a question.

Is that because you can't answer the question directly ? 😬

Originally posted by Thundar
Do you think someone can always be right?

No. We are flawed, we do not know everything. There is no possible way an individual person can be right about everything.

Originally posted by Thundar
If your answer to this question is "yes", then you've agreed that absolute correctness exists, or as it is more appropriately termed "absolute truth."

My answer was no, so your point is dismissed.

Originally posted by Thundar
And if your answer to this question is "no", then you'll still be asserting that you are always right about people always being wrong about something, and thus by doing so you'll have once again validated the existence of absolute truth.

No you moron....

I didn't state that people are "always wrong" about something

I stated that an individual person cannot be right about Everything

I didn't deny the existance of absolute truth.

What I am denying is our ability to know Absolute Truth, since we do not know everything. Our senses and learning capabilities are LIMITTED.

Therefore, we could not know everything, and not possibly know absolute truth. Only recognize something as being true, until further evidense shows us false. Then we move on.

Originally posted by Thundar
All that being stated, I believe the truth that I follow is great enough to overcome any other, since it is absolute in it's nature.

How is your truth absolute ?

I think you a fool to beleive such a thing.....

Originally posted by Thundar
You see Urizen if one already believes in the possible fallibility of their position, then they've already conceeded that the supposed "truth" supporting stated position, will at some point be overcome by the absoluteness of another's.

Not necessarily....they will be open to the idea that they could be wrong...nothing more nothing less.

Is it your GOAL to be absolutely right ? Do you FEAR being wrong about anything ? Do you fear learning a truth which denounces your own current beleifs ?

If so, you are a coward. 👇

Originally posted by §uffer§noopy
Do you?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Is that because you can't answer the question directly ? 😬

[b]No. We are flawed, we do not know everything. There is no possible way an individual person can be right about everything.

My answer was no, so your point is dismissed.

No you moron....

I didn't state that people are "always wrong" about something

I stated that an individual person cannot be right about Everything

I didn't deny the existance of absolute truth.

What I am denying is our ability to know Absolute Truth, since we do not know everything. Our senses and learning capabilities are LIMITTED.

Therefore, we could not know everything, and not possibly know absolute truth. Only recognize something as being true, until further evidense shows us false. Then we move on.

How is your truth absolute ?

I think you a fool to beleive such a thing.....

Not necessarily....they will be open to the idea that they could be wrong...nothing more nothing less.

Is it your GOAL to be absolutely right ? Do you FEAR being wrong about anything ? Do you fear learning a truth which denounces your own current beleifs ?

If so, you are a coward. 👇 [/B]

That was a great post Lord Urizen.

Just tell Thundar the undeniable truth, that the absolute truth cannot be written down in a book. Therefore the bible is not absolute truth. 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Is that because you can't answer the question directly ? 😬

I did directly answer your question, you just didn't like the answer.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No. We are flawed, we do not know everything. There is no possible way an individual person can be right about everything.

No you moron....

I didn't state that people are "always wrong" about something

I stated that an individual person cannot be right about Everything

What I am denying is our ability to know [b]Absolute Truth, since we do not know everything. Our senses and learning capabilities are LIMITTED

[b]I didn't deny the existance of absolute truth.

As "limitted" beings we may not completely understand the absolute truth about everything, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the everything that we do know, can be absolutely right.

So despite our "limitted" understanding of everything, the absolute truth about everything isn't "limitted" to our understanding or knowledge of it.

[i]Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How is your truth absolute ?

Faith makes it absolute. You don't have faith that the position you hold is infallible. This being such, as I stated before, is why you and others of like minded "limitted" reasoning will always lose to the absolute truth I place my faith in.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think you a fool to beleive such a thing.....

Only a fool would think that he could never know absolute truth, and then expect others to "beleive" the absolute truth behind his arguments.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Is it your GOAL to be absolutely right ? Do you FEAR being wrong about anything ? Do you fear learning a truth which denounces your own current beleifs ?

If so, you are a coward. 👇

I don't fear the possibility of myself being absolutely wrong, in fact it strengthens my belief in absolute truth existing.

Now ask yourself this question, do you fear the possibility of me being absolutely right?

I think we both know the answer to that one.

Have a good night..mr. Urizen...😉

Originally posted by Thundar
I did directly answer your question, you just didn't like the answer.

As "limitted" beings we may not completely understand the absolute truth about everything, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the everything that we do know, can be absolutely right.

So despite our "limitted" understanding of everything, the absolute truth about everything isn't "limitted" to our understanding or knowledge of it.

Faith makes it absolute. You don't have faith that the position you hold is infallible. This being such, as I stated before, is why you and others of like minded "limitted" reasoning will always lose to the absolute truth I place my faith in.

Only a fool would think that he could never know absolute truth, and then expect others to "beleive" the absolute truth behind his arguments.

I don't fear the possibility of myself being absolutely wrong, in fact it strengthens my belief in absolute truth existing.

Now ask yourself this question, do you fear the possibility of me being absolutely right?

I think we both know the answer to that one.

Have a good night..mr. Urizen...😉

Most of the above is insulting double talk.

Your faith does not give you access to an absolute truth, for the bible is not absolute truth.

Absolute truth cannot be understood. It cannot be written down, and cannot be expressed.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That was a great post Lord Urizen.

Just tell Thundar the undeniable truth, that the absolute truth cannot be written down in a book. Therefore the bible is not absolute truth. 😉

Thanks bro 😄

Originally posted by Whob
I did directly answer your question, you just didn't like the answer.

Umm...No...you answered indirectly, through loopholes.

I understood your point, but I would have admired it much better if you would have just openly admitted that you are NOT open to the possibility that you may be wrong, instead[/b] of cowering behind a series of suggested justification.

[i]Originally posted by Whob
As "limitted" beings we may not completely understand the absolute truth about everything, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the everything that we do know, can be absolutely right.

That is definately true.

But how would one know that he or she is absolutely right ? Just because one happens to be right about something, doesn't mean he or she would absolutely realize it.

Buddhists could be absolutely right....Atheists could be absolutely right...Christians could be absolutely right....Muslims could be absolutely right (let us pray they are not)

How does one know who is and who isn't, since our senses are not the most reliable way to determine ?

Originally posted by Whob
So despite our "limitted" understanding of everything, the absolute truth about everything isn't "limitted" to our understanding or knowledge of it.

That is true, you basically just proved my point.

We are limitted to knowing Truth....Truth is not limitted to us. So, knowing this, how can you be so sure that you know absolute truth ?

Originally posted by Whob
Faith makes it absolute.

Faith makes NOTHING absolute. This is where you are deluded.

Faith does not change Facts. If I have faith that the Earth is flat, that doesn't make it so. You are quite foolish Whob, my dear freind.

Originally posted by Whob
You don't have faith that the position you hold is infallible. This being such, as I stated before, is why you and others of like minded "limitted" reasoning will always lose to the absolute truth I place my faith in.

Your logic is completely absurd Whob....I mean Thundar...

What about Shaky's Faith in his Truth ?

What about my Faith in my truth ?

Does my Faith that God is Orgasm make it true ? 😱

You haven't explained how you are right and the rest of us are wrong. You only displayed how closed minded and foolish you truly are.

You argue that you are absolutely right because you have Faith in your beleif.... 😬

SO ?

Fatima has Faith in her beleif....Shaky has Faith in his...I have Faith in mine....

What makes your Faith correct and ours incorrect ?

Originally posted by Thundar who is really Whob
Only a fool would think that he could never know absolute truth, and then expect others to "beleive" the absolute truth behind his arguments.

I never claimed Absolute Truth....God you are a moron..... 🙄

Originally posted by Thundar who is really Whob
I don't fear the possibility of myself being absolutely wrong, in fact it strengthens my belief in absolute truth existing.

Now ask yourself this question, do you fear the possibility of me being absolutely right?

I think we both know the answer to that one.

No I do not fear it, because I am not open to the possibility of you being right. Unlike yourself, I am not motivated by a constant Fear of ending up in Hell....

My actions are genuine, while yours are in assurance of reaching your "heaven".

I help people because I feel bad for people in need, not because I think God will give me a happy sticker for doing good.

I sacrafice out of Love for those around me, not to make a show of "God's Grace"....

Originally posted by Thundar who is really Whob
Have a good night..mr. Urizen...😉

Oh I will....BUTT SEX GALORE ! droolio

ALL PRAISE ORGASM!

Originally posted by Mindship
Of course. So do you.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ofcourse, personally, this thread is meant to address Christians and Muslims, however, for the sake of being fair, I want to ask everyone this....

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, alike (and whatever other religion you identify with)

Although, if I'm wrong, I go to some sort of hell hmm

[b]Are you at ALL open to the possibility that you can be wrong ? That your beleifs/conclusions could be false ?

If so, why ?

If not, why not ? [/B]

Although, if I'm wrong, I go to some sort of hell. Which would suck

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What does it matter, as long as it works?

If it makes you happy and fulfilled, why would some unquantifiable truth be important?

Originally posted by muslimscholar
if i had any doubt in my religion i wouldn't be following it would I?
thats just common sense

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Of course not, why? Porque it makes absolutely no sense to adhere to a religion if think it being wrong is a possiblity.

Faith is different from blind faith. When something is obviously amiss, one must question or mindless sheep.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That was a great post Lord Urizen.

Just tell Thundar the undeniable truth, that the absolute truth cannot be written down in a book. Therefore the bible is not absolute truth. 😉

Orgasmic Bliss Is Eternal Truth. 😱 Therefore its the absolute truth.