Indeed, Ob-Wan is not even remotely close to a better fighter then Anakin. Reading even a slight amount of the 'Clone Wars' novels or anything during the clone wars time frame will tell you this. Anakin should have beat the tar out of Obi-Wan, but many factors led to his downfall, most notably Sith (or rather Darkside) arrogance and his very 'unsettled' state of mind.
the whole thing about "knowing someone's moves" is that its an absolutely stupid idea. Just because there are patterns in every style, that in no way means that the user has to do those moves in that order. If you could only do a certain "set" of moves and not improvise as the fight developed, then you're not worth your salt anyway and deserve to lose. Being able to adapt to the fight "in the moment" is what measures your prowess in anything you do.
Anakin beating Dooku doesn't matter because the fight was staged.
Well, I'm sorry to inform you, Glentract, this isn't the way the world works. The fight wasn't staged; Anakin won because his raw power is simply above and beyond what Dooku comprehend - let alone handle. Anakin uncorked it all on Dooku and slaughtered him. Here's the kicker: I bet I can back it up with more proof from the canon sources than you can.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
the whole thing about "knowing someone's moves" is that its an absolutely stupid idea. Just because there are patterns in every style, that in no way means that the user has to do those moves in that order. If you could only do a certain "set" of moves and not improvise as the fight developed, then you're not worth your salt anyway and deserve to lose. Being able to adapt to the fight "in the moment" is what measures your prowess in anything you do.
It doesn't mean that you can take the person easily, but it does mean that you won't get surprised by any tricks and know what's in their arsenal. Obi Wan trained Anakin and knows how he likes to fight, and can be prepared for it. Obi Wan also is the master of a defensive form, kept running away, and, waited for Anakin to make a stupid mistake, because he was so pissed.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
It doesn't mean that you can take the person easily, but it does mean that you won't get surprised by any tricks and know what's in their arsenal. Obi Wan trained Anakin and knows how he likes to fight, and can be prepared for it. Obi Wan also is the master of a defensive form, kept running away, and, waited for Anakin to make a stupid mistake, because he was so pissed.
Right, but you're not getting my point, i don't think. If no one was ever surprised in a fight, then no one would ever win, because you would always know whats going to be done next. If you memorize a set of moves where the 5th strike is meant to go at your head, but the person goes for your legs instead, then memorizing that set was worthless, and just cost you your legs. I see what you're saying about knowing how someone fights, but to say you know all of someones moves is just stupid to me, as you can change them up at any time if you're that good. You see what I'm saying?
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Right, but you're not getting my point, i don't think. If no one was ever surprised in a fight, then no one would ever win, because you would always know whats going to be done next. If you memorize a set of moves where the 5th strike is meant to go at your head, but the person goes for your legs instead, then memorizing that set was worthless, and just cost you your legs. I see what you're saying about knowing how someone fights, but to say you know all of someones moves is just stupid to me, as you can change them up at any time if you're that good. You see what I'm saying?
I see what you're trying to say, but, remember:
Kenobi is a master of Soresu, he knows what Anakins tendencies are when he fights, and, if he tries something new, then, Kenobi will kill him (that's how Soresu goes, you wait for an opening). Trying new things in a fight with a soresu master is not a good idea, and all his old stuff, Kenobi already knows and can defend against.
I think ill go with Yoda and Sidious. Yoda takes on Mace while Sidious handles Anakin. Sidious knows Anakin's technique and moves very well, since he studied him since he was a child. Plus, his force powers are far greater. Yoda will still be fighting with Mace when Anakin and Sidious' fight ends, only then Sidious and Anakin will finish Mace. And that only if Yoda hasn't finished of Mace already