Originally posted by SpunkySmurphi thought juggernaut666 is the # 1 fanboy for juggy
The best anybody for Juggs to pretect a city from?Hulk. By a long shot.
One on one, he can't lost to Hulk- But Hulk is the master of destruction. He would have to poretect the CITY from Hulk. It would be an epic battle.
I'd like it if Jug took care of his Mexican town and did them all real good, he'd beat up all the common human thugs and any hero who comes in to try to catch a villain in his town. Jug could say "My people, my town, my problems. Go back to the Avengers mansion and I'll handle this....or I'll handle you." Then, he'd beat the villain up and or the hero if they pushed too much.
Also, give him some new villains, maybe a few alien ones, a lot of bricks and maybe two or three magical beings who normally beat his ass but he's able to win by never giving up. Also, have people like Hulk pop in or absorbing man/wrecking crew show up having now idea they've landed in Jug's land.
Originally posted by carver9
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http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wifv209416hun2vo.jpgBy the way, everyone that you all have named I can see juggernaut (using his powers at full desposal including forcefield) beating. Im not seeing anyone that can actually beat him that you all named. Exanples: darkseid is a superman enemy, he has the potential to kill superman, doomsday is a superman enemy, he has the potential to kill superman. Absorbing man is a hulk enemy, he has the potential to kill hulk. Sabertooth is a wolverine enemy, he has the potential to kill wolverine. Everyone that you all named, juggernaut could either curb stomp them, or stalemate them, they could never take over the city because he would still be standing, unharmed. I know that you all can do better.
How can Superman not beat Juggernaut? Juggs can't take a speed blitz like that...and Supes'...if he wanted could easily BFR him....for example...put him in orbit...throw him into the sun, etc...I know no one can really hurt Juggernaut....but, he can be removed..lol...and I don't see Juggs coming back anytime soon from inside the sun.
Originally posted by carver9He beat Juggernaut... twice... 😐
I havent seen thor yet give juggernaut a decent fight.
The second time, he was curbstomping the shit out of Juggernaut...
Oh, and the only time Juggernaut beat him (other than a weakened/confused Thor in his first fight...), was when he was Eight Day...
Originally posted by bigbran
He beat Juggernaut... twice... 😐The second time, he was curbstomping the shit out of Juggernaut...
Oh, and the only time Juggernaut beat him (other than a weakened/confused Thor in his first fight...), was when he was Eight Day...
Their first fight it said that Thor's strength returned to him and he still couldn't harm Juggernaut. He couldn't even beat him alone. Their second fight Juggernaut also beat the shit out of Thor, again Thor couldn't beat him so he BFR'd him.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinAnd yet he beat him... right?
Their first fight it said that Thor's strength returned to him and he still couldn't harm Juggernaut. He couldn't even beat him alone. Their second fight Juggernaut also beat the shit out of Thor, again Thor couldn't beat him so he BFR'd him.
And then Thor turned off his magic, and was beating the shit out of him.
Thor only had 60 seconds too, and the next punch was probably going to end Juggernaut... Thor doesn't have a timer anymore...
Originally posted by bigbran
And yet he beat him... right?
After his strength returned to him, Juggernaut got a godblast, and he was then BFR'd.And then Thor turned off his magic, and was beating the shit out of him.
Thor only had 60 seconds too, and the next punch was probably going to end Juggernaut... Thor doesn't have a timer anymore...
For Juggernaut, a BFR doesn't count as a win. Thor had to result to BFRing Juggs because he couldn't beat him. Not to mention Cains healing factor, and the fact that he can still fight even though all his organs have been removed, leaves Thor with just teleporting Cain somewhere to call it a "win".
Juggernaut's invulnerability is not derived from his shield. The writers didn't research him enough, they even called him a mutant.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinUmm... since when does a BFR not count as a win for Juggernaut?
For Juggernaut, a BFR doesn't count as a win. Thor had to result to BFRing Juggs because he couldn't beat him. Not to mention Cains healing factor, and the fact that he can still fight even though all his organs have been removed, leaves Thor with just teleporting Cain somewhere to call it a "win".Juggernaut's invulnerability is not derived from his shield. The writers didn't research him enough, they even called him a mutant.
That's good, but I think that his duribility might have something to do with his magic... 😕
Also, if you noticed, I was answering someone else when I said that Thor has beat him twice...
Originally posted by bigbran
Umm... since when does a BFR not count as a win for Juggernaut?
I guess Eternity didn't beat Juggernaut either... 🙄That's good, but I think that his duribility might have something to do with his magic... 😕
Also, if you noticed, I was answering someone else when I said that Thor has beat him twice...
In Thor's case it shouldn't. If you noticed at the end of the battle Juggernaut said he would get back and he did. Under his own power he is able to return.
Thor negated Juggernauts shield not his durability. Even then Thor wasn't able to put a scratch on him.
If you noticed, it is an open debate.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinOf course... Juggernaut did return... about 20 or more comics later... so of course, this wouldn't count as a win since he can return? 😕 🤨
In Thor's case it shouldn't. If you noticed at the end of the battle Juggernaut said he would get back and he did. Under his own power he is able to return.Thor negated Juggernauts shield not his durability. Even then Thor wasn't able to put a scratch on him.
If you noticed, it is an open debate.
He negated all mystical energies... they might have said his forcefield was gone, but he still negated all mystical energy...
Confusing, but if you look at what he did...
Even though they talked about his shield... he still negated the magic... I'm thinking Juggernaut is like his curent form after that (before he ran into Cy again).
Also, about the "not a scratch"... I said he beat the hell out of him, and he did...
Yes, it is, but the main point is that he did beat him twice, and it is a lie to say he didn't...
Originally posted by bigbran
Of course... Juggernaut did return... about 20 or more comics later... so of course, this wouldn't count as a win since he can return? 😕 🤨He negated all mystical energies... they might have said his forcefield was gone, but he still negated all mystical energy...
Confusing, but if you look at what he did...Even though they talked about his shield... he still negated the magic... I'm thinking Juggernaut is like his curent form after that (before he ran into Cy again).
Also, about the "not a scratch"... I said he beat the hell out of him, and he did...
Yes, it is, but the main point is that he did beat him twice, and it is a lie to say he didn't...
Only if you count BFR as a solid Win, then yes Thor won. But I have seen people type that BFR isn't liable in a fight with Classic Juggs sense he has a means to return to the battle field under his own power. But in this case I guess I will give you a win via BFR.
Issues between when they appear next is irrelevant. Juggernaut is not as popular of a character, so a writer pulls him in when needed.
I just flipped through that issue and Thor gets really messed up and pissed after Juggs hits him only like 2 times. Juggernaut also gives Thor a good beating. In the end Juggernaut's only injury is to his helmet. No scratches or bruises on his person. While Thor is torn up.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinAnd I don't agree with those people, since if Juggernaut goes to the sun or something, he might be able to come back, but he is still out of the fight longer than it would take to KO him, and for him to wake up...
Only if you count BFR as a solid Win, then yes Thor won. But I have seen people type that BFR isn't liable in a fight with Classic Juggs sense he has a means to return to the battle field under his own power. But in this case I guess I will give you a win via BFR.Issues between when they appear next is irrelevant. Juggernaut is not as popular of a character, so a writer pulls him in when needed.
I just flipped through that issue and Thor gets really messed up and pissed after Juggs hits him only like 2 times. Juggernaut also gives Thor a good beating. In the end Juggernaut's only injury is to his helmet. No scratches or bruises on his person. While Thor is torn up.
So... lets just say it took him a day... it is still way too long for the other contender to wait. Hell... we might as well say a KO doesn't count as a win anymore...
He lost, fair and simple...
Juggernaut is stronger than him... plus, in the next page, Thor's face is perfect...
Also, Juggernaut was all dazed and shit, he was about to be KO'ed... Thor's face might have been torn off for all I care... he was nowhere near going down.
Originally posted by bigbran
He lost, fair and simple...Juggernaut is stronger than him... plus, in the next page, Thor's face is perfect...
Also, Juggernaut was all dazed and shit, he was about to be KO'ed... Thor's face might have been torn off for all I care... he was nowhere near going down.
He lost to trickery, not quite fair. 😕
There isn't a close up of his face to claim that. In that one panel, his face is messed up and it is a close up shot.
Thor was about to be KO'd himself. Juggernaut said one more blow would finish him. Thor said, "tis a blow which I can easily evade". So one more hit would have been the end of Thor. As said earlier, Juggernaut has a healing factor and is able to fight without any organs. So he may have been dazed but going by other showings he was not about to be knocked out.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinIt's Thor's powers... would it have been any better if he would have been KO'ed?
He lost to trickery, not quite fair. 😕There isn't a close up of his face to claim that. In that one panel, his face is messed up and it is a close up shot.
Thor was about to be KO'd himself. Juggernaut said one more blow would finish him. Thor said, "tis a blow which I can easily evade". So one more hit would have been the end of Thor. As said earlier, Juggernaut has a healing factor and is able to fight without any organs. So he may have been dazed but going by other showings he was not about to be knocked out.
I already showed a close up... check the thumbnails... I believe the second one I posted...
And yet, Juggernaut on panel was dazed as f*ck. That was just talk... not to mention, after Juggernaut got his powers back, he smashed Thor with a giant concrete slab... then he got sent into space...
Originally posted by bigbran
I already showed a close up... check the thumbnails... I believe the second one I posted...And yet, Juggernaut on panel was dazed as f*ck. That was just talk... not to mention, after Juggernaut got his powers back, he smashed Thor with a giant concrete slab... then he got sent into space...
This is a close up of Thor's face.
So we take Thor's word over Juggernaut's? Even though Thor got the crap beat out of him? Juggernaut was not dazed when he said that line, nor did Thor deny it.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinAnd here is him two pages later...
This is a close up of Thor's face.So we take Thor's word over Juggernaut's? Even though Thor got the crap beat out of him? Juggernaut was not dazed when he said that line, nor did Thor deny it.
Why does Thor have to deny it? Plus, do you honestly believe that Juggernaut could end Thor in three blows?
Like I said, Thor's face could have been ripped apart, but he didn't look like he was even close to getting KO'ed... and I have the comic of his fighting the Celestials...
Nope, I'm not taking anyone's word, I'm looking at Juggernaut's condition...
Originally posted by bigbran
And here is him two pages later...Why does Thor have to deny it? Plus, do you honestly believe that Juggernaut could end Thor in three blows?
Like I said, Thor's face could have been ripped apart, but he didn't look like he was even close to getting KO'ed... and I have the comic of his fighting the Celestials...Nope, I'm not taking anyone's word, I'm looking at Juggernaut's condition...
Thor was drawn to have taken physical injuries/damage. Juggernaut was not. His condition was far better than Thor's. Thor could have very well have been KO'd by Juggernaut by that punch. This is a comic book, they implied it, it most likely could happen, they wouldn't leave it out there like that. Dazed /= next punch knock out.
Usually artist don't take the time to draw injuries like Thor had in a small panel. Especially when the area injured is a small portion of the panel.
Like Hulk fearing all those times of drowning, when (later) he is shown to be able to adapt, Juggernaut isn't physically getting KO'd. He has feats to prove otherwise. Also if Thor negated all of the magic, Juggernaut would have reverted to his human form. He only negated his field, even then it is PIS.
