Rock Lee versus Spiderman

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Like Tassadar said with that belt it doesn't matter who you are Batman will beat you.

Spidey doesn't have that belt, he lacks a skill advantage, he lacks a speed advatage.

I'm more than willing to give the strength edge to Spidey however MA skill > strength.

Its not pure speed that wins this for Lee its that H2H Spidey will be hard pressed to get a solid hit.

(in response to an earlier comment of yours I happen to loath Naruto)

But how do you know that Spidey will go h2h once he realizes that he cannot win in close quarter combat?

Originally posted by LordFear
But how do you know that Spidey will go h2h once he realizes that he cannot win in close quarter combat?

What do you mean? Of course he can.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Kakashi never hit a lightning bolt, that was just hyperbole. Besides, Spidey dodges lightning from Electro all the time.

What makes you think it was hyperbole.

Spidey does that thanks to precog.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Neji never did anything impressive, his best speed is hitting someone 64 times in a few seconds.

Neji fought Kidomaru and dodge his shots for a while.

Originally posted by LordFear
But how do you know that Spidey will go h2h once he realizes that he cannot win in close quarter combat?

A good fighter will always force the fight to thier advantage. Lee is going to force Spidey into a retreat or H2H

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What makes you think it was hyperbole.

Because it was never shown and nothing else like that has ever been demonstrated anywhere in the canon.

Spidey does that thanks to precog.

Which is one of the reasons why he will win.

Neji fought Kidomaru and dodge his shots for a while.

Which were slow - moving arrows nowhere near as fast as bullets.

A good fighter will always force the fight to thier advantage. Lee is going to force Spidey into a retreat or H2H

Which would lead to his defeat, as he has nowhere near the strength, speed, or abilities to handle Spidey in HtH. Spidey also has stingers that could paralyze him.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Because it was never shown and nothing else like that has ever been demonstrated anywhere in the canon.

Kay.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Which is one of the reasons why he will win.

I'll give you that. SpideySense is a severe hinderence to Lee but I don't think its sufficient.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Which were slow - moving arrows nowhere near as fast as bullets.

Kay

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Which would lead to his defeat, as he has nowhere near the strength, speed, or abilities to handle Spidey in HtH. Spidey also has stingers that could paralyze him.

H2H Spidey isn't going to be doing much to Lee.

Lee's skill is better, IMO he has a slight speed advantage, Peter's strength is just going to get turned against him.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What do you mean? Of course he can.

What I am saying is once Spidey realizes that engaging in hand to hand or being in close quarters with Lee is dangerous cuz the kid got moves, he will keep his distances. Spidey has fought plenty of guys where might hasn't helped him but rather cunning and smarts, which he has plenty of

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Kay.

I'll give you that. SpideySense is a severe hinderence to Lee but I don't think its sufficient.

Kay

H2H Spidey isn't going to be doing much to Lee.

Lee's skill is better, IMO he has a slight speed advantage, Peter's strength is just going to get turned against him.

Not true at all, that only applies to individuals who rely on their strength solely or too much. Now if the fight was Colossus or Hercules fighting Lee then I would agree with your argument but Spidey relies on a plethora of abilities. Hell alot of his foes are more powerful than him physically and he still comes out with a win

you are not saying that spiderman can beat immortal hercules

Originally posted by LordFear
Not true at all, that only applies to individuals who rely on their strength solely or too much. Now if the fight was Colossus or Hercules fighting Lee then I would agree with your argument but Spidey relies on a plethora of abilities. Hell alot of his foes are more powerful than him physically and he still comes out with a win

Pete's not stupid and he has experience thats true.

But how often does Spidey's skill get tested? RockLee has spent his entire life pushing his limits.

Lee is incredible at MA, Pete is good. PreCog will keep him alive but also on the defensive.

Originally posted by hunbu04
you are not saying that spiderman can beat immortal hercules

Good God no!!!
I was saying that if it was a foe who relied solely on strength to beat his opponents such as Colossus or Herc then I would say that the strength thing is not enough against a gifted combatant such as Rock Lee. I mean look at Temugin against IronMan, Tem mopped the floor with Tony barehanded while Tony was privy to all of his weapons. But Spidey doesn't rely on strength alone

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Pete's not stupid and he has experience thats true.

But how often does Spidey's skill get tested? RockLee has spent his entire life pushing his limits.

Lee is incredible at MA, Pete is good. PreCog will keep him alive but also on the defensive.

Tested? Parker is constantly tested and he has to find a way to win despite the odds.

Originally posted by LordFear
Tested? Parker is constantly tested and he has to find a way to win despite the odds.

I know that. I was asking how much his H2H skill gets tested against comprable opponents.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I know that. I was asking how much his H2H skill gets tested against comprable opponents.

Oh I gotcha!!!
Well I would have to agree with you that in that case, no not very often as evident with an encounter against Cap. But h2h Cap against Ironman for example, Steve would be kicking Tony's butt all over the mansion unless Tony decides to switch his style and play his strengths. My point is that it depends how the character plays the field

You have any evidence Lee is faster? Or even anywhere near as fast? Just because the artist draws him with lots of blurs and afterimages means nothing if there are no actual feats to back it up.

Originally posted by LordFear
Oh I gotcha!!!
Well I would have to agree with you that in that case, no not very often as evident with an encounter against Cap. But h2h Cap against Ironman for example, Steve would be kicking Tony's butt all over the mansion unless Tony decides to switch his style and play his strengths. My point is that it depends how the character plays the field

I will agree with you on one thing and that is it does depend on how the character plays there strengths, I just think Lee will also figure out a way to put spidy down regardless of the circumstances. Now that doesn't mean I think Lee get 10 out of 10 on spidy but i do believe he gets 7 or 8 out of 10 because his speed, fighting skills, in if he needs them gate opening abilities.

Originally posted by jasofisc
I will agree with you on one thing and that is it does depend on how the character plays there strengths, I just think Lee will also figure out a way to put spidy down regardless of the circumstances. Now that doesn't mean I think Lee get 10 out of 10 on spidy but i do believe he gets 7 or 8 out of 10 because his speed, fighting skills, in if he needs them gate opening abilities.

I agree with this analysis.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
You have any evidence Lee is faster? Or even anywhere near as fast? Just because the artist draws him with lots of blurs and afterimages means nothing if there are no actual feats to back it up.

do you mean as fast as quicksilver or spiderman?
next time I see spiderman run around a person and make a dust devil you can talk. also he was so fast that in a open space that trained fighters couldn't see him at certain point because he was that fast.

yeah I guess that isn't any evidence or actual feats.

Rock Lee wins if he uses his gates. I give it to Spiderman if Lee is in his normal stat, because I don't think Lee is fast enough to really cause Spiderman much difficulty. If Lee uses his gates, he'll probably win, becuase he'll be to quick for Spiderman to hit him. Lee will just have to be quick in beating him though, before he runs out of stamina.

Actually as per the handbooks made by Kisimoto himself, Neji and Lee have the exact same speed. Neji is not slow by any means