Re: Doctor Strange VS Merlyn
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
sorceror supremeVS
former omniversal guardian
who wins?
I'm assuming these are the characters at their best.
Merlyn literally manipulated the destiny of Multiverses
Power over Time, Space (Reality) & the Soul.
He's had tech that can erase any Universe in the Omniverse (Celestial Nullifier)
An expression of Merlyn's power.,
Energy Matrix empowered Merlyn created a Universe (Otherworld) from scrath.
"I leaped into the Matrix ... was swept across the Multiverse as I struggled to tame it's Energies"
"I Mastered the Energy Matrix and established Otherworld"
Merlyn created the Starlight Citidel:
"from this venue, the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"
The Stralight Citidel alone holds Countless Dimensions
Just the HALL in the Starlight Citadel can fit Entire Planets:
"BUT when Her CITADEL FALLS, that impossibly vast Space is suddenly crowded"
"With an inconceivable variety & number of species, as ALL the DIMENSIONS there are suddenly crash into one"
Merlyn created the Celestial Nullifier, which is within the Citidel
"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"
Necrom was literally collapsing the Multiverse, this was causing Captain Britain to absorb the power of Merlyn's Energy Matrix
Then Meggan, Kitty Pride, Rachel Summers and Night Crawler Merge with Captain Britain to add different abilities to Captain Britain's power.
ONLY Brian has the power of the Matrix, the others add versatility to his power.
"This is all too neat ... it can't be coincidence"
"I know ... we are being Manipulated"
The Energy Matrix gives Brian the power to actually REVERSE the collapse,
he literally Rebuilds the Multiverse
"We have saved the Multiverse"
Guess who Manipulated the whole thing?
Respect Merlyn.
that's great and all mr m, merlyn being a master manipulator in the grand schemes of the multiverse...
i would like to know if merlyn has displayed powers in a one on one confrontation...
can he, like, take on beings such as say, dormmamu or, shuma-gorath in their realms...
or has he even been on a one on one confrontation...
i dont really know much about him, hence this thread...
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
that's great and all mr m, merlyn being a master manipulator in the grand schemes of the multiverse...i would like to know if merlyn has displayed powers in a one on one confrontation...
can he, like, take on beings such as say, dormmamu or, shuma-gorath in their realms...
or has he even been on a one on one confrontation...
i dont really know much about him, hence this thread...
With the power of the Energy Matrix, which is what he had,
he could literally Fold the Multiverse, or rebuild it as you saw in the scans.
Merlyn allowed Brian to absorb the power of His Matrix, to him it's all a game, it always has been
(just to see how events pay out)
Since back in the day playing a Chess Game with Roma which was linked to the Multiverse,
the wrong side loses the game, ... the Multiverse dies, it's as simple as that.
"The Game's disintegrating, but the MULTI-VERSE DEPENDS upon the GAME"
And this was only a training session for Roma, who was to replace him as Omniversal Guardian.
Bottom line:
Merlyn created a Universe from scrath (Otherworld)
Merlyn manipulated the Multiverse on a Chess Board,
and had other Boards floating around (other Multiverses I presume)
As Merlin and Roma moved their Chess Pieces, Reality is Altered accordingly
Even Mad Jim Jaspers, (the Omniversal threat) is just One of their Game Pieces
and as I posted above with the Energy Matrix he can Rebuild the Multiverse,
which we saw through the actions of Brian and company.
regarding the chess game game wherein if the wrong side loses, the multiverse falls apart, does the LT have anything to say if the wrong side loses? will he just allow that?
the heirarchy and status in marvel is so cluttered and intertwined it makes our beaurocracy smooth in comparison, but meh, that's comics for you...
great scans btw...
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
regarding the chess game game wherein if the wrong side loses, the multiverse falls apart, does the LT have anything to say if the wrong side loses? will he just allow that?
LT has no choice im assuming, (he was never mentioned)
they are after all the Omniversal guardians (they may be above LT in status)
"but you know where she lives right?"
are you demented, you're talking about the next best thing to GOD" (Omniversal Guardian)
They can do with Universes as they wish.
Merlin says,
"I've missed something, I ... of all people"
Roma responds,
"No one is infallible Father, sometimes I think a strong Wind will blow you over"
Merlin replies,
"Ah yes ... but I MAKE the Winds"
In other words, regardless of the peril, he's in charge.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
the heirarchy and status in marvel is so cluttered and intertwined it makes our beaurocracy smooth in comparison, but meh, that's comics for you...
I made a new Hierarchy that's based on what I believe it to be.
If you're interested:
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
great scans btw...
Thanx.
Originally posted by Mr Master
LT has no choice im assuming, (he was never mentioned)they are after all the Omniversal guardians (they may be above LT in status)
"but you know where she lives right?"
are you demented, you're talking about the next best thing to GOD" (Omniversal Guardian)They can do with Universes as they wish.
Merlin says,
"I've missed something, I ... of all people"
Roma responds,"No one is infallible Father, sometimes I think a strong Wind will blow you over"
Merlin replies,
"Ah yes ... but I MAKE the Winds"
In other words, regardless of the peril, he's in charge.
I made a new Hierarchy that's based on what I believe it to be.
If you're interested:
Thanx.
I second that. Good scans, Mr M
Originally posted by Mr Master
I made a new Hierarchy that's based on what I believe it to be.If you're interested:
I find it hard to believe that LT, the direct servant of TOAA, is going to get bossed around by Merlyn. I think it's more simple to believe that the writers just plain weren't interested in having LT in their stories.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I noticed Scathan the Celestial isn't on the list...
The Celestials (all of them) are lower tier Abstract types if you ask me.
I'll never accept that Scathan nonsense.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I find it hard to believe that LT, the direct servant of TOAA, is going to get bossed around by Merlyn. I think it's more simple to believe that the writers just plain weren't interested in having LT in their stories.
I never said he gets "bossed around" by anyone.
I said I'm assuming LT has no choice in the matter,
I also said, they might be above him in status
Which is plausible with all the power at their disposal.
LT represents TOAA, and Judges Realities with a Mystical imbalance of power.
LT is the second most powerful entity in Marvel.
LT can basically destroy any Reality that poses a threat to the balance.
LT can merge/transform a being into a Universe
LT can juggle Megaverses in a hand
Merlyn/Roma Guard all of Marvel (the Omniverse)
They can destroy any Reality in the Omniverse
Merlyn has created Universes (Otherworld and the Starlight Citidel within Otherworld that houses Countless dimesions/universes)
Merlyn is allowed to put the Multiverse in jeopardy just to train Roma,
actually the Omniverse, (I forgot BOTH Jaspers' ... who's existence was manipulated by Merlyn)
This almost suggest that Merlyn is on his own, and makes up his own rules concerning the Omniverse like a renegade.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
with all due respect, i dont think merlyn would be close to LT powerwise...in status, your reason is plausible, but in power,
I never said Merlyn is more powerful than LT.
Then again, I know LT can't touch Merlyn.
So the thought is inconsequential.
But Merlyn's range of influence goes just as far as LT's.
In other words, LT has immense power and jurisdiction, but so does Merlyn.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
i think the multiversal judge is leaps and bounds above him...IMO...
I disagree.
While I agree that LT is more powerful than Merlyn,
there's not much that LT can do, that Merlyn can't,
in fact I'm willing to say there's almost nothing that LT can do,
that Merlyn can't.
I know LT & Merlyn inside out, I'm telling you, they have comparable feats.
Originally posted by Ethereal
Are there any scans showing Merlin's history? Like how he attained his status?
Nah,
from his inception he was Merlyn,
one of those always was kind of characters.
He's manipulated so many events through out his History, even the bio doesn't know much about Merlyn Origin.
He's first appearance On Panel he was already Merlyn the mighty.
That Multiversal Chess Boards arc was published in 1983.
The Omniverse while in existence was not part of the Marvel Mainstream at the time, confined in UK titles.
The Omniverse was established in Official Marvel continuity in Feb 1992.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah,from his inception he was Merlyn,
one of those always was kind of characters.
He's manipulated so many events through out his History, even the bio doesn't know much about Merlyn Origin.
He's first appearance On Panel he was already Merlyn the mighty.
That Multiversal Chess Boards arc was published in 1983.
The Omniverse while in existence was not part of the Marvel Mainstream at the time, confined in UK titles.
The Omniverse was established in Official Marvel continuity in Feb 1992.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I thought he obatained his status when he and Feron... You know, the omniverse connecter tower thingamajig?
I just went through madness finding the correct answer to this.
Apparently your're right.
The Excalibur issue recounts what took place eons ago evidently,
(Merlyn overcoming the Energy Matrix)
I know this to be true because in the Original Jaspers' Warp, Merlyn died on Otherworld,
and Otherworld was created with the power of the Energy Matrix.
This is Merlyn's very first appearance in a CB title:
"I am the beauty of the green Earth and the white Moon amongst the Stars"
"The mystery of the Waters, and the desire of the Heart of man"
"I am the Soul of Nature who giveth Life to the Universe"
"From me ... ALL Things proceed ... and unto me ... ALL Things must Return"
