It's a trilogy, and it's over...

Started by LORDSIDIOUS014 pages

Originally posted by sithsaber408
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Sure you know somebody at Sony.

Judging from the threads that you start, you're a huge comic book nerd/ darth maul fanboy.

Is this like your "inside information" that Rachel McAdams was going to be in The Dark Knight?

Tobey doesn't want to do Spiderman anymore because it's been almost 10 years since they started making the first one.

He wants to be a serious actor. (see Seabiscuit)

Plus, he's already a multi-millionaire. He ain't holding out for the bucks.

I do know someone at Sony. Do you? I doubt that. I like what I like. Too bad for you. I stand by what I say about Tobey holding out for a huge paycheck. If I turn out to be right you will owe me an apology.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
There will be a Spiderman 4 sooner or later, unless spiderman dies ending the trilogy, which we all know won't happen. The movies don't need the same actor every time, all the time.

As for the people who don't read the comics, their not idiots. They will be able to tell there is a new actor. The only people who will be a bit disappointed is the kids who love spiderman to bits. They will be the only people who will cry over this. I'm not saying thats a good thing, but chances are they won't be able to tell the difference between the actors anyway because they only came for Peter Parker, Spiderman, and a super villain or three.

There will be a Spiderman 4. It's pretty obvious.

Excellent words.

^^^ Yes, but what you aren't understanding is that a Spiderman 4 (one without James Franco, without Kirsten Dunst, without Tobey Maguire, and without Sam Raimi directing) won't MAKE sony any money.
Wanna Bet?

Take a step back and look at it. Most movie-goers knew only a little bit about Spiderman before the first film in 2002.

They'd seen his picture, knew it was a comic, maybe saw the old cartoon as kids.

But it was this film series, so well written and acted that really made Spiderman big in most peope's minds . Sorry, comic fans but that's a fact.


And the animated 90's series and all the series before that that went on for decades. And future Shows.

Now look at what they've seen in the films: the story of Peter Parker, the story of Uncle Ben, the story of Peter and MJ, the Goblin story, the Harry as best friend/new enemy Goblin story, a Doc Ock story, a Sandman story, the black symbiote story, and also fan faves Gwen Stacy and Venom have been included.

All of these storylines, all of the character arcs are pretty much finished in Spidey 3.


The sandman story arc wasn't even real. Sandman killed uncle ben? They made up story arcs to tie sandman into the story. They could do that again with another villain or they could use another existing story arc. For example...

Dock Ock 2:
She was a fan of Otto Octavious as a kid and a total science nerd. What happens then her past idol is fished out of the lake and Johnna starts printing stories saying it was Spiderman? She follows in his footsteps, makes the arms, and attempts to finish his project. I smell a villain...

The main actors are not returning, they've said that the story is done.
Actors get replaced. The story is far from over.

And most movie fans are gonna be satisfied with what they have seen: one of the greatest superhero trilogies of all time. 🙂


Satisfied? Yes.
But what happens tbn another Spiderman movie comes along? They will want to see it.

The only folks wanting Jake Gylenhall manips fighting the lizard or carnage or whatever are ..... YOU. Comic book fanboys.

And just about everyone else who liked the characters and Storys. And everyone who grew up watching the 80's, 90's, and other Spiderman shows.

And I know that your geekgasms are getting in the way, but the truth is that you only represent 15% of the paying moviegoing public.
Yes, but the other 85% that saw the movie the other times will want to see it when it comes out.

Sony isn't going to spend 150 million dollars on just you guys.


They will for everyone else. 😉

Especially when you know that the actors and characters that most people have identified as being in the Spiderman story are not going to continue on.
As I said, actors sometimes get replaced. Take the superman or batman movies for example. I've lost track of how many times actors and or directors have been replaced. Sure, not much of them where popular but then Batman Begins and Superman Returns came and people thought they where amazing a completely nailed the characters and feel of them. The same is gong to happen with Spiderman if the original cast leaves.

Everybody is telling you guys this: Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, Sam Raimi and me.....

Human opinons and minds change. They may decide to stay that way, but if they do that, somone else would take over.

It's a trilogy, and it's over. 😛

I'd bet money against that. 😉

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Excellent words.

Thanks. 😄

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Thanks. 😄

Your welcome

They should leave it at 3 anymore spiderman movies will suck just like rocky and superman

Originally posted by coolmovies
They should leave it at 3 anymore spiderman movies will suck just like rocky and superman

I doubt they will. This franchise is a successful money maker. No reason to stop.

SithSaber as much as I would like you to be right about all this that it would end as a trilogy,there is too much evidence that suggests otherwise.Mcguire and Dunst are done with the franchise yes and it sounds like Raimi wont go on without them-thank god,its time for a new director that knows what he is doing.But they are already in the works writing a spider-man 4 screenplay as we speak.It wont stop until it stops making money pure and simple.The Batman franchise didnt stop when Michael Keaton and Tim Burton left did it? Neither will spider-man unfortunately.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
SithSaber as much as I would like you to be right about all this that it would end as a trilogy,there is too much evidence that suggests otherwise.Mcguire and Dunst are done with the franchise yes and it sounds like Raimi wont go on without them-thank god,its time for a new director that knows what he is doing.But they are already in the works writing a spider-man 4 screenplay as we speak.It wont stop until it stops making money pure and simple.The Batman franchise didnt stop when Michael Keaton and Tim Burton left did it? Neither will spider-man unfortunately.

I agree with you a lot. Here's a question for everyone: If Spiderman 3 is the last one in a trilogy, then why is Sony Pictures even thinking about another film? Please answer me. I will respond back.

They should just end it in Spider-Man 3.

Originally posted by DarthLazious
They should just end it in Spider-Man 3.

Not gonna happen likely.

Re: It's a trilogy, and it's over...

Originally posted by sithsaber408

They aren't gonna reboot it without him, or Dunst (who's contract is also up after 3) or Franco (whose character will die) or Raimi.

At least not for many years.

considering that raimi has no rights to the film. there will be another spiderman installment with or without maguire and dunst. It is a cash cow, and holywood is about one thing and one thing only...making money. I doubt fans of the film are married to the idea of maguire and dunst being the two main characters. Atleast not when it comes down to deciding the life of the series.

give it five years at most before we hear news of another spidey flick. all they would need in maguires dunsts' absence is two more mediocre actors. You better believe that the studio could get virtually anyone to play spiderman.

Re: Re: It's a trilogy, and it's over...

Originally posted by ragesRemorse

give it five years at most before we hear news of another spidey flick. all they would need in maguires dunsts' absence is two more mediocre actors. You better believe that the studio could get virtually anyone to play spiderman.

This is possible. I said as much in the opening statements that it may be possible for the series to get a continuation or a reboot in like 5 years.

I'm just maintaining that it's the end of this trilogy and with this set of characters.

I also think your 5 year approach is far more reasonable than the fanboys who want Jake Gylenhall versus the Lizard!!11OMG11!! to happen in 2 years. 😛

Re: Re: It's a trilogy, and it's over...

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
considering that raimi has no rights to the film. there will be another spiderman installment with or without maguire and dunst. It is a cash cow, and holywood is about one thing and one thing only...making money. I doubt fans of the film are married to the idea of maguire and dunst being the two main characters. Atleast not when it comes down to deciding the life of the series.

give it five years at most before we hear news of another spidey flick. all they would need in maguires dunsts' absence is two more mediocre actors. You better believe that the studio could get virtually anyone to play spiderman.

You are right, but I highly doubt that it will take Sony five years to make spidey four.

Re: Re: Re: It's a trilogy, and it's over...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
This is possible. I said as much in the opening statements that it may be possible for the series to get a continuation or a reboot in like 5 years.

I'm just maintaining that it's the end of this trilogy and with this set of characters.

I also think your 5 year approach is far more reasonable than the fanboys who want Jake Gylenhall versus the Lizard!!11OMG11!! to happen in 2 years. 😛

Again I doubt if Sony will wait five years. Why would their be a need to reboot the series. Not one of the Spidey films is a flop. So their is absolutely no need for a reboot. This isn't the Batman or Superman franchises.

Spiderman 4 will happen... even if Tobey is not in it. Did Batman stopped filming when Keaton quit? nope!

That's the cool thing about comic movies, they can always make them.
There will be a X-men 4 also.

Originally posted by endrict
Spiderman 4 will happen... even if Tobey is not in it. Did Batman stopped filming when Keaton quit? nope!

That's the cool thing about comic movies, they can always make them.
There will be a X-men 4 also.

Absolutely

More pieces keep falling into place for this to be a trilogy:

From EW.COM

On the eve of what is expected to be the biggest Spider-Man yet, Entertainment Weekly learns that director Sam Raimi is seriously considering directing The Hobbit—a choice that could potentially leave Spidey 4 without a director and, says Kirsten Dunst, a leading lady.

Raimi’s name has been floated in connection with The Hobbit ever since a very public dustup between Peter Jackson and New Line chairman Bob Shaye left the Lord of the Rings prequel without a director. Raimi went on the record for the first time about his potential involvement in the project during an exclusive interview with EW’s Steve Daly for the magazine’s Summer Preview issue, on stands Friday: “Peter Jackson might be the best filmmaker on the planet right now. But, um, I don’t know what’s going to happen next for me right now. First and foremost, those are Peter Jackson and Bob Shaye’s films. If Peter didn’t want to do it, and Bob wanted me to do it—and they were both ok with me picking up the reigns—that would be great. I love the book. It’s maybe a more kid-friendly story than the others.”

Dunst says she hadn’t heard any rumors about Raimi and The Hobbit until EW raised the subject in an interview. She says she can’t imagine returning for Part 4 without both her director and her costar: “It’s disrespectful to the whole team, I think, to do that. And audiences aren’t stupid. It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam. That would really not be the smartest move. But they know that already. [Sony chief] Amy Pascal would never do that.” Maguire has already expressed his ambivalence about returning for another sequel.

Sony’s President of Production Matt Tolmach tells EW that the studio is cautiously optimistic about retaining the team that launched the Spidey franchise so spectacularly: “Listen, we’re making Spider-Man 4. Our hope, dream and intention is to do it with Sam. But I don’t have a crystal ball.”

Originally posted by sithsaber408
More pieces keep falling into place for this to be a trilogy:

From EW.COM

On the eve of what is expected to be the biggest Spider-Man yet, Entertainment Weekly learns that director Sam Raimi is seriously considering directing The Hobbit—a choice that could potentially leave Spidey 4 without a director and, says Kirsten Dunst, a leading lady.

Raimi’s name has been floated in connection with The Hobbit ever since a very public dustup between Peter Jackson and New Line chairman Bob Shaye left the Lord of the Rings prequel without a director. Raimi went on the record for the first time about his potential involvement in the project during an exclusive interview with EW’s Steve Daly for the magazine’s Summer Preview issue, on stands Friday: “Peter Jackson might be the best filmmaker on the planet right now. But, um, I don’t know what’s going to happen next for me right now. First and foremost, those are Peter Jackson and Bob Shaye’s films. If Peter didn’t want to do it, and Bob wanted me to do it—and they were both ok with me picking up the reigns—that would be great. I love the book. It’s maybe a more kid-friendly story than the others.”

Dunst says she hadn’t heard any rumors about Raimi and The Hobbit until EW raised the subject in an interview. She says she can’t imagine returning for Part 4 without both her director and her costar: “It’s disrespectful to the whole team, I think, to do that. And audiences aren’t stupid. It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam. That would really not be the smartest move. But they know that already. [Sony chief] Amy Pascal would never do that.” Maguire has already expressed his ambivalence about returning for another sequel.

Sony’s President of Production Matt Tolmach tells EW that the studio is cautiously optimistic about retaining the team that launched the Spidey franchise so spectacularly: “Listen, we’re making Spider-Man 4. Our hope, dream and intention is to do it with Sam. But I don’t have a crystal ball.”

hey now! I was going to post this. I have always said that Spidey four will happen. Obviously, hopefully Raimi, Dunst and Maguire will return. If they don't then new folks will join up. The Batman franchise didn't lose anything until George Clooney and thew Governator joined. The Spidey franchise will live on, hopefully with everyone involved.

Re: Re: Re: It's a trilogy, and it's over...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
This is possible. I said as much in the opening statements that it may be possible for the series to get a continuation or a reboot in like 5 years.

I'm just maintaining that it's the end of this trilogy and with this set of characters.

I also think your 5 year approach is far more reasonable than the fanboys who want Jake Gylenhall versus the Lizard!!11OMG11!! to happen in 2 years. 😛

oh so then your saying then that its the end of this trilogy with this group of actors and director sam raimi then right? oh well then if THATS what your saying that its just ending with Mcguire,Dunst and Raimi leaving then yeah your right but as me and someone else said,thats not going to stop sony from continuing the story and get someone else for peter parker and a new director and have another sequal out in the next couple years after this one though.they are already in the plans to write a sequal as this moment.