Originally posted by TricksterPriest
There is no stalemate. Stop being an idiot. Even Mightyeinherjar, the only sane Hulk fan on this board, admits Hulk can't beat Classic Juggernaut.
Youre the idiot if you think I said Hulk could "beat" Juggernaut.
I said Hulk would eventually knock him into another state. Which is still a Stalemate.
1. Juggernaut cannot match Hulk in power as Hulk's strength is as unlimited as it comes.
2. Hulk can't injure Juggernaut as he is protected magically.
If you hate the Hulk character, feel free to unleash personal feelings elsewhere. His strength is said to be Unlimited, and is considered nigh-invulnerable with a healing factor on top of that. I certainly didnt make that up.
rules on BFR state if you can't return under your own power, then it's BFR. Juggernaut can EVENTUALLY return under his own power. Hulk doesn't start at unlimited strength, and his strength is not equal to that of Juggernaut without enhancements like Apoc's tech. HE WILL NEVER WIN A SLUGFEST WITH CLASSIC JUGGERNAUT.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
HE WILL NEVER WIN A SLUGFEST WITH CLASSIC JUGGERNAUT.
Fact: Juggernaut's physical strength would get surpassed by Hulk's.
meaning Hulks blows (Even if somehow not KO'ing Juggernaut would still make contact and more and more distance would be created)
My point would that Juggernaut would "pump" Hulk up to the point where he would get knocked distances that he would take weeks to get back from(as Juggernaut is slow as HELL), similar to what Onslaught did - knocking Juggs from Vancouver to New Jersey.
Slugfests with Hulk favors Hulk (even if you are protected magically) You will still eventually get knocked large distances with more and more force the more pissed he gets.
But the main point is that neither could "kill" the other and KOs are highly unlikely. STALEMATE.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
What Im saying is that Hulk has overpowered the Cyttorak protective abilities on Cain before, and has even stopped Jugg's supposedly Cyttorak powered unstoppable forward momentum.
Hulk has not stopped Juggernaut with physical force, not under his own power. If you noticed War Hulk had a green aura around his feet with he halted Juggernaut.
It doesn't matter how strong Hulk is, he won't be able to stop Juggernaut with his own power. For one the ground still wouldn't hold. You could have a adamantium statue of Hulk and Juggernaut could continue to push it back without it giving way.
As you can see, Apoc clearly says "Power of the Celestials". Also the top of the scan you can see the green aura around Hulks feet which helped him gain the traction needed to stop Juggernaut.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Fact: Juggernaut's physical strength would get surpassed by Hulk's.meaning Hulks blows (Even if somehow not KO'ing Juggernaut would still make contact and more and more distance would be created)
My point would that Juggernaut would "pump" Hulk up to the point where he would get knocked distances that he would take weeks to get back from(as Juggernaut is slow as HELL), similar to what Onslaught did - knocking Juggs from Vancouver to New Jersey.
Slugfests with Hulk favors Hulk (even if you are protected magically) You will still eventually get knocked large distances with more and more force the more pissed he gets.
But the main point is that neither could "kill" the other and KOs are highly unlikely. STALEMATE.
Wrong. Juggernaut's strength is potentially unlimited, but unlike the Hulk, it's not dependant on his state of mind. And if you think Hulk can duplicate Onslaught's feats, you are tripping. 🙄 2nd, Hulk will not knock Juggernaut to Jersey if Juggs is in motion. NOTHING STOPS THE JUGGERNAUT ONCE HE'S MOVING. You think Hulk can hit harder than a godblast from Thor? Juggernaut is quite capable of killing the Hulk, the Hulk is INCAPABLE of killing Classic Juggernaut. There are people who have slugged it out with Hulk and can hand him his ass. Juggernaut is one of them.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wrong. Juggernaut's strength is potentially unlimited, but unlike the Hulk, it's not dependant on his state of mind. And if you think Hulk can duplicate Onslaught's feats, you are tripping. 🙄 2nd, Hulk will not knock Juggernaut to Jersey if Juggs is in motion. NOTHING STOPS THE JUGGERNAUT ONCE HE'S MOVING. You think Hulk can hit harder than a godblast from Thor? Juggernaut is quite capable of killing the Hulk, the Hulk is INCAPABLE of killing Classic Juggernaut. There are people who have slugged it out with Hulk and can hand him his ass. Juggernaut is one of them.
Opinion taken and understood. I still say a pissed Hulk can easily out perform Juggernaut in any Physical feat.
And Hulks feats>>>Juggernauts.
Originally posted by bigbran
Who cares if Hulk can get stronger?Since when is a fight won by just pure physical strength?
Everyone agrees that Namor is weaker than Hulk right?
You see where I'm going with this...
Thats actually my point. I stated that Hulk would get so powerful that he would wind up knocking Juggs out of viewable range. Thats exactly where the physical strength would come into play. It wouldnt harm Juggs, but he sure as hell can be knocked around physically....
Thus the Stalemate. By the time Juggs gets back (Which I doubt - he would find the fight pointless) Hulk is on to other things.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Thats actually my point. I stated that Hulk would get so powerful that he would wind up knocking Juggs out of viewable range. Thats exactly where the physical strength would come into play. It wouldnt harm Juggs, but he sure as hell can be knocked around physically....Thus the Stalemate. By the time Juggs gets back (Which I doubt - he would find the fight pointless) Hulk is on to other things.
you've convinced me to vote for zod ✅
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Thats actually my point. I stated that Hulk would get so powerful that he would wind up knocking Juggs out of viewable range. Thats exactly where the physical strength would come into play. It wouldnt harm Juggs, but he sure as hell can be knocked around physically....Thus the Stalemate. By the time Juggs gets back (Which I doubt - he would find the fight pointless) Hulk is on to other things.
Based on a simple psych profile of both Cain and Hulk neither will ever give up a fight.
Physically punching Juggy is next to useless thanks to his forcefield BTW.
Originally posted by horrorwolfYes... when has Hulk ever gotten that mad right at the beginning of the fight, to bfr ANYONE?
Thats actually my point. I stated that Hulk would get so powerful that he would wind up knocking Juggs out of viewable range. Thats exactly where the physical strength would come into play. It wouldnt harm Juggs, but he sure as hell can be knocked around physically....Thus the Stalemate. By the time Juggs gets back (Which I doubt - he would find the fight pointless) Hulk is on to other things.
Also, that is Hulk's only option... funny...
What is to stop Juggernaut from pulling the Ben Grimm stopper?
I think Juggernaut is basically downplayed in every single Hulk fight he is put in... no one looks at what he can do, they only look at Hulk's strength, which should be non-existent in this thread.
Also, about the every single Hulk fight thing... this has been done before... many times.
Originally posted by janus77
WarHulk's proof that physical ("celestial tech enhanced"😉 might will overcome Cyttorak's charm, thus this inevitably will resolve to Hulk's favour. eventually.the issue is whether Hulk gets the time to get so strong and/or is motivated enough to clobber Juggernaut.
don't think Juggernaut has anything in his arsenal that he can do to Hulk, to permanently put him out of commission but, he could definitely knock out some versions of The Hulk and that's as close to a victory as it gets with many super powered characters.
War Hulk is proof that celestial tech can overcome Juggernaut's enchantment. Nothing more.
Every other physical fight that the Juggernaut has had is evidence that he CANNOT BE DAMAGED BY PHYSICAL FORCE.
Even a GODBLAST merely tickled the Juggernaut.
All the Hulk can dole out is physical force. Exactly what the Juggernaut is totally immune to.
That, immediately, brings us to two scenarios; Juggernaut wins, or stalemate.
As Banner ages, and the Juggernaut does not, that means even a stalemate would, eventually, end in the Juggernaut's favor.
Hence, the Juggernaut wins ten out of ten, if only because he CAN'T lose.
Also; this has been done before.
