Whoops my mistake I thought this thread was omega mutants, but it said no Omega..sorry.
Originally posted by id369
Speed of thought, Shaman and Hyperstorm are able to transport, place barriers, make psy constructs etc…
Speed of thought fractions of a sec.Sway can slow down or stop time altogether over a given area.
It takes less then a sec to transport.
And it takes less then a sec to merge.
Like I said I was being vary generous with the minute rule.
ummm....skyfather beings. You think they can plan and outhink and react faster than over 5 billion year old beings?
Sway does not have that great of control. She can only slow small objects and a low range.
Less than a second to kill them
Originally posted by id369
Im sorry but X-Man certainly does.The astral realm or spiral in another alternate earth.
Astral realm maybe, but their not in the astrl realm. Their skyfather beings, man you underestimating them. Alpha Flight Shaman can even take his medicine bag into the astral plane, he is no chump in that regard.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Whoops my mistake I thought this thread was omega mutants, but it said no Omega..sorry.ummm....skyfather beings. You think they can plan and outhink and react faster than over 5 billion year old beings?
In a world of fictional writing. Yes.
Originally posted by King_MungiAstral realm maybe, but their not in the astrl realm. Their skyfather beings, man you underestimating them. Alpha Flight Shaman can even take his medicine bag into the astral plane, he is no chump in that regard.
As avatar they have a 20 time limit before reaching their godly status.
And it does not matter if they are in or out of the astral realm. Nate can manipulate the actual/astral realm pulling them in and out.
Originally posted by id369
In a world of fictional writing. Yes.As avatar they have a 20 time limit before reaching their godly status.
And it does not matter if they are in or out of the astral realm. Nate can manipulate the actual/astral realm pulling them in and out.
If Northstar and Aurora couldn't keep up with them and they think faster than normal humans, what are normal humans chances? slim
As shown even with the avatar Tundra, nothing they did phased him. Ranaq after possessing a female was warping reality when he was fighting Talisman and of course that was before the 20 minutes as well.
Shaman, Talisman and other members of AF can do that as well. Nothing new.
Originally posted by golem370
Didn't Box deck one of them?
He hit Tundra after he absorbed a complex making him hundreds of feet tall in his armor. However, literally after Box hit him Tundra grew hundreds of feet taller than him and he new he was boned.
I'm in the process of making a Great Beast respect thread
Originally posted by King_Mungi
If Northstar and Aurora couldn't keep up with them and they think faster than normal humans, what are normal humans chances? slimAs shown even with the avatar Tundra, nothing they did phased him. Ranaq after possessing a female was warping reality when he was fighting Talisman and of course that was before the 20 minutes as well.
Shaman, Talisman and other members of AF can do that as well. Nothing new.
Creating Madelyne Pryor and Gwyn Stacey out of sheer thought.
Originally posted by id369
That would be true if it was a normal human they ware dealing with.
Thankfully I have the options to use mutants.
I have Reed/Doom level genius on my team. I would think we stand a fair chance in the thinking devision.
Shaman just happens to be resourceful and well adapt to his powers.
And Nate has bin shown to re-arrange matter at a sub atomic levels.Creating Madelyne Pryor and Gwyn Stacey out of sheer thought.
...skyfather beings once again, you don't think they have a level of omniscent?
So has basically majority of the members of Alpha Flight as well as the Great Beasts. Somon is in complete control over his entire planet and can alter it on a whim. He can do the same thing on Earth.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
...skyfather beings once again, you don't think they have a level of omniscent?So has basically majority of the members of Alpha Flight as well as the Great Beasts. Somon is in complete control over his entire planet and can alter it on a whim. He can do the same thing on Earth.
I tend to use a combination of on panel explanations and bios.
In fictional writing, just because they are sky father level being does not mean they cannot be outsmarted.
As for control over the planet?
The planet is not even an issue, Shaman and Hyperstorm are interdemensional travelers.
Shaman has already dealt with a character that attained total control of a planet.
Hell he can scatter the essense down to the subatomic level over Earth, or just wreck Earth all together.
Know what keeps my team from hoping to an alternate earth and go ahead with their preparations.
I assure you I thought of my team really carefully, in efforts to exploit each others abilities to the maximum to achieve a hybrid versions of each other.
The end result will be meat, or they simply send them off to another earth/astral realm like mentioned earlier.
Originally posted by id369
I tend to use a combination of on panel explanations and bios.In fictional writing, just because they are sky father level being does not mean they cannot be outsmarted.
As for control over the planet?
The planet is not even an issue, Shaman and Hyperstorm are interdemensional travelers.Shaman has already dealt with a character that attained total control of a planet.
Hell he can scatter the essense down to the subatomic level over Earth, or just wreck Earth all together.
Know what keeps my team from hoping to an alternate earth and go ahead with their preparations.
I assure you I thought of my team really carefully, in efforts to exploit each others abilities to the maximum to achieve a hybrid versions of each other.
The end result will be meat, or they simply send them off to another earth/astral realm like mentioned earlier.
They havn't been flat out out-smarted.
So what? what does traveling have to deal with it? their just going to leave the plant then?
and won't do much as I stated earlier, they don't get their power from the Earth.
Wow, I love how your giving them so much prep and knowledge on how to beat SKYFATHER beings when there is no prep and your plan doesn't work as with one move their dead.
Won't work, once again this is like putting your mutants against Odin. Do you seriously think they can take Odin?
Banishment is possible, but unlikely as like I mentioned many times..one move..dead. All of them.
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
They havn't been flat out out-smarted.
Originally posted by King_MungiSo what? what does traveling have to deal with it? their just going to leave the plant then?
Why not, you think someone that can tune every are on earth is not going to notice what the beasts are doing with their presence.
Shaman has done this before, I do not see any problem with it.
Originally posted by King_Mungiand won't do much as I stated earlier, they don't get their power from the Earth.
It has nothing to do with ware they get their power from, but the time limitations set forth to unleash their power for ever native earth they arrive on.
Originally posted by King_MungiWow, I love how your giving them so much prep and knowledge on how to beat SKYFATHER beings when there is no prep and your plan doesn't work as with one move their dead.
These abilities have bin used with out the need of prep time. I would think these are the procedures they would set forth to engage the enemy.
Originally posted by King_MungiWon't work, once again this is like putting your mutants against Odin. Do you seriously think they can take Odin?
No I am setting up Mutants against the Beasts. Besides, mutants and humans have had a better track record with their tactics and prep time then say Odin. But enough of comparing the Beasts to Odin, mention the Beasts, ability, the bests prep, the beast tactics.
If I wanted to match up Odin I would set up a match against Odin.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Banishment is possible, but unlikely as like I mentioned many times..one move..dead. All of them.
True it can go vice versa. One move my team is dead, one move the beasts are gone.
But I made my point. The mutants do stand a chance.
Originally posted by id369
No limit fallacy, just because they have not bin outsmarted does not mean they cant be outsmarted.
Dr.Doom, Sasquatch, Guardian, Shaman, etc. all geniuses never outsmarted them. Not happening
Originally posted by id369
Why not, you think someone that can tune every are on earth is not going to notice what the beasts are doing with their presence.Shaman has done this before, I do not see any problem with it.
Same can be said about the Great Beasts, X-Man in his book did beat 3 of the Beasts in PIS/CIS. As against Tundra the move he did would have destroyed all of Canada by blowing him up with an energy attack, which as shown in his other apperances would have just reformed. Then X-Man teleported Somon and Kolomaq (who isn't even in the Realm of the Beasts, so him even appearing is wrong) while they stated and watched him until he held them while the Earth moved from underneath them sending them into space and that was that.
Originally posted by id369
It has nothing to do with ware they get their power from, but the time limitations set forth to unleash their power for ever native earth they arrive on.
It's not unleashing it on Earth, it's their power is being feed to them from the alternate dimension. Even then, Ranaq was warping reality, and Tundra quickly was connected to the entire land of Canada and all it's species.
Originally posted by id369
These abilities have bin used with out the need of prep time. I would think these are the procedures they would set forth to engage the enemy..
Your claiming before the match they know what to do, and that they would effectively work together and that the Great Beasts would do nothing while all this happens. It's a stretch
Originally posted by id369
No I am setting up Mutants against the Beasts. Besides, mutants and humans have had a better track record with their tactics and prep time then say Odin. But enough of comparing the Beasts to Odin, mention the Beasts, ability, the bests prep, the beast tactics.If I wanted to match up Odin I would set up a match against Odin.
Your setting them up against skyfathers. That is like saying with only 5 minutes of prep these 4 can take gods. Not happening. I'm making the respect thread right now, hopefully it will be completed by tuesday or wednesday.
Yet their skyfather beings, on the same level as Odin, Nelvanna, Horus, etc.
Originally posted by id369
True it can go vice versa. One move my team is dead, one move the beasts are gone.But I made my point. The mutants do stand a chance.
Only chance they have is banishment, flat out power their not going to do it.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Dr.Doom, Sasquatch, Guardian, Shaman, etc. all geniuses never outsmarted them. Not happeningSame can be said about the Great Beasts, X-Man in his book did beat 3 of the Beasts in PIS/CIS. As against Tundra the move he did would have destroyed all of Canada by blowing him up with an energy attack, which as shown in his other apperances would have just reformed. Then X-Man teleported Somon and Kolomaq (who isn't even in the Realm of the Beasts, so him even appearing is wrong) while they stated and watched him until he held them while the Earth moved from underneath them sending them into space and that was that.
It's not unleashing it on Earth, it's their power is being feed to them from the alternate dimension. Even then, Ranaq was warping reality, and Tundra quickly was connected to the entire land of Canada and all it's species.
Your claiming before the match they know what to do, and that they would effectively work together and that the Great Beasts would do nothing while all this happens. It's a stretch
Your setting them up against skyfathers. That is like saying with only 5 minutes of prep these 4 can take gods. Not happening. I'm making the respect thread right now, hopefully it will be completed by tuesday or wednesday.
Yet their skyfather beings, on the same level as Odin, Nelvanna, Horus, etc.
Only chance they have is banishment, flat out power their not going to do it.
I thought I recognize these characters in one X-Man issues, they just looked a bit different in X-Mans comics.
If Pre-Shaman already dealt with these 3 Odin level characters.
Shaman (along with his group) has no problem dealing with the fresh avatars.
Besides, given his abilities and ways to buy time plus his previous encounter with the Beasts would make the argument all the more valid and effective.
If banishment does not work (and why not), the end result will be 4 hybrid characters above herald level.
Originally posted by id369
I thought I recognize these characters in one X-Man issues, they just looked a bit different in X-Mans comics.
It had a few contunity errors, but Kolomaq by far looked vastly better
Originally posted by id369
If Pre-Shaman already dealt with these 3 Odin level characters.
Shaman (along with his group) has no problem dealing with the fresh avatars.
Except it was badly written and went against what was showed countless times what he did wouldn't work. Kolomaq just being an avatar with a word could freeze the marrow in their bone.
Originally posted by id369
Besides, given his abilities and ways to buy time plus his previous encounter with the Beasts would make the argument all the more valid and effective.
PIS/CIS does not count as per the rules of the board. Won't work, like I have said many times they have attacks that would kill them all in a second.
Originally posted by id369
If banishment does not work (and why not), the end result will be 4 hybrid characters above herald level.
Well if they don't banish Tanaraq he can easily continually bring them back. Apparently he is their reality/dimension smasher. 4 Hearlds do not equal 6 or so skyfathers
Originally posted by King_MungiExcept it was badly written and went against what was showed countless times what he did wouldn't work. Kolomaq just being an avatar with a word could freeze the marrow in their bone.
No I don’t believe it was pis or not entirely pis.
One attempted to absorb Nate and overloaded itself.
Nate wields Pisonic Powers equal to the Phoenix Force. Weather he is able to use forth that power is besides the point, he carries such power is.
So Phoenix Force > Odin, Tundra being overwhelmed is well within the possibilities.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
PIS/CIS does not count as per the rules of the board. Won't work, like I have said many times they have attacks that would kill them all in a second.
Nate did not kill Tundra, Tundra overloaded himself attempting to take out Nate. In essence Tundra took himself down for lack of knowledge over his enemy.
And I had no idea that Kolomaq and Somon have had gravity isolated around them causing them to sky rocket out of Earths atmosphere…prior to its encounter with Nate.
Originally posted by King_MungiWell if they don't banish Tanaraq he can easily continually bring them back. Apparently he is their reality/dimension smasher. 4 Hearlds do not equal 6 or so skyfathers [/B]
Probably so. But know we are beating around the bush, Nate knows much about Beasts and knows what they are capable of. As you can see, it did not take him much time to properly deffend himself.
And would take even less time, know that he has matured and gain much more control over his power.
Hm…..Hyperstorm is compared more to Galactus then a herald. And given their ability upgrades, we can both agree that again I was being vary generous in comparing them to Herald level.
But make estimations, and assumptions as you wish. Much like comparing 4 avatars to Skyfathers themselves.
None the less, 4 characters equally as powerfull as the next, with their combined experience are up for the challenge.
You said it yourself
Hyperstrom - good choice.
Hyperstorm/Nate/Darwin/Sway hybrid - even better.
There is nothing more to discuss.
Cheers - Id.
Originally posted by id369
No I don’t believe it was pis or not entirely pis.
One attempted to absorb Nate and overloaded itself.Nate wields Pisonic Powers equal to the Phoenix Force. Weather he is able to use forth that power is besides the point, he carries such power is.
So Phoenix Force > Odin, Tundra being overwhelmed is well within the possibilities.
Actually it was badly written, they said Somon needs to possess people which he doesn't. Kolomaq is not trapped in the Realm of the Beasts, so he should not have appeared at all. Tundra doesn't absorb people...EVER, and Nate would have died from that exchange as he said but Pyror saved him. They first had Kolomaq as Kariooq, etc. etc.
Here's what Guardian did to Tundra using energy blasts....nearly ripped Canada apart. Yet when X-Man does it nothing happens? PIS. Any energy attack later as said in AF Vol.1 would have the same effect.
1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-29.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlight01-30.jpg
Originally posted by id369
Nate did not kill Tundra, Tundra overloaded himself attempting to take out Nate. In essence Tundra took himself down for lack of knowledge over his enemy.And I had no idea that Kolomaq and Somon have had gravity isolated around them causing them to sky rocket out of Earths atmosphere…prior to its encounter with Nate.
As I said several times, which your either ignoring in a feat that is not possible. Doing something like that as stated would have destroyed all of Canada. Several times Alpha Flight tried various energy attacks on him and all ran the risk of destroying Canada.
Wasn't gravity, he held them in place while the plant roated around them or something. Nate knew he was outclassed and tried to cut off their connection to the Earth, which as stated multiple times does not feed their power and nearly died yet again in the issue doing it.
Originally posted by id369
Probably so. But know we are beating around the bush, Nate knows much about Beasts and knows what they are capable of. As you can see, it did not take him much time to properly deffend himself.And would take even less time, know that he has matured and gain much more control over his power.
Hm…..Hyperstorm is compared more to Galactus then a herald. And given their ability upgrades, we can both agree that again I was being vary generous in comparing them to Herald level.
But make estimations, and assumptions as you wish. Much like comparing 4 avatars to Skyfathers themselves.
None the less, 4 characters equally as powerfull as the next, with their combined experience are up for the challenge.
You said it yourself
Hyperstrom - good choice.
Hyperstorm/Nate/Darwin/Sway hybrid - even better.There is nothing more to discuss.
Cheers - Id.
Yeah and he flat out said he won't take another one on himself, especially not two. His words, and no he doesn't even know a lot about them. Pryor tried to explain their history, which she got incorrect, and she even admited she was not familar with them.
Actually it took a great deal of time, as he nearly died during the Tundra thing and then they continually teleported around avoiding the Beasts talking, and then finally Nate did the plant move which he said can't do again and nearly killed him.
Yes, I said Hyperstorm was a good choice, not your others. Like Sway? She's not even powerful Darwin? He's a plot device, which how is he going to evolve against magic? Their freaking skyfathers...uhhhh.
I said Hyperstorm, not Sway or Darwin. Come on, they don't have any feats that put them at any credible level. Especially Sway
