Originally posted by doan_m
And guess which one is by far the simpler of the two options?
Typing "Hurt Johnny Cash" into google, clicking the wikipedia link, read that it's a NIN cover.
At least as easy, but probably much easier than going to a Johnny Cash thread on some random forum, typing out your stupid story, hoping that someone would reply and know the real story, argue about rightfully being called an idiot and still not being sure whether it actually is a cover or if the people on the forum are just dicks and pull a prank on you.
But, hey, that would just be the logical thing to do...
Originally posted by Bardock42
Typing "Hurt Johnny Cash" into google, clicking the wikipedia link, read that it's a NIN cover.At least as easy, but probably much easier than going to a Johnny Cash thread on some random forum, typing out your stupid story, hoping that someone would reply and know the real story, argue about rightfully being called an idiot and still not being sure whether it actually is a cover or if the people on the forum are just dicks and pull a prank on you.
But, hey, that would just be the logical thing to do...
Wrong and wrong again Bardock. First thing is first, there is already that fundamental barrier of me choosing not to willfully look for the data myself due to the fact that i find it as a non-issue for me to actually bother to personally look for the data. Second thing of all, the thread merely points out a window of opportunity for me to actually bother to post something related to what i have heard before outside of this forum, and due to the existence of this very thread, its far more faster to type in my hearsay then to actually open a new tab and look at something else. Third of all, due to the lack of urgency of obtaining the data its far more easier to simply wait for a response while doing other things such as looking on other forums with other discussions, and await an answer from here in a far less lengthier post and a more simpler "yes it is" question which i have already obtained. Fourth of all, your also wrong on the account of arguing about idiocy. The crux of the debates with me have involved merely ignorance, something by far definitely more different then "idiocy" despite it being wrongfully misinterpreted as a word for "stupidity". After all, ignorance is defined as the lack of knowledge while "idiocy" is defined as sensless behavior.
Originally posted by doan_m
Wrong and wrong again Bardock. First thing is first, there is already that fundamental barrier of me choosing not to willfully look for the data myself due to the fact that i find it as a non-issue for me to actually bother to personally look for the data. Second thing of all, the thread merely points out a window of opportunity for me to actually bother to post something related to what i have heard before outside of this forum, and due to the existence of this very thread, its far more faster to type in my hearsay then to actually open a new tab and look at something else. Third of all, due to the lack of urgency of obtaining the data its far more easier to simply wait for a response while doing other things such as looking on other forums with other discussions, and await an answer from here in a far less lengthier post and a more simpler "yes it is" question which i have already obtained. Fourth of all, your also wrong on the account of arguing about idiocy. The crux of the debates with me have involved merely ignorance, something by far definitely more different then "idiocy" despite it being wrongfully misinterpreted as a word for "stupidity". After all, ignorance is defined as the lack of knowledge while "idiocy" is defined as sensless behavior.
Well, however much you talk about it, just checking the facts is easier and less bothersome.
You wanted to appear an idiot, good, that's your choice, but you should have expected to be called one then. And granted, the others had too much tact to call you one, but it doesn't change that you are essentially behaving like an idiot and choose to be ignorant also.
And as I said it is not easier to wait for the responses, since you have to type out the question and find the threads to ask it in, which is just much more actual work than checking it (which you can do in just about 3 seconds (I typed "wp Hurt" in YubNub, try it, takes 3 seconds most)
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you trying to technically weasel out of it?
You are an ignorant person with an ignorant stance.
Not caring about info is one thing,
accepting one belief over another is worse, especially when you don't care enough to research but care enough to decide which side of the fence you're on.And where have I made such a clear decision on which side of the fence to even stand on?
Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]Well, however much you talk about it, just checking the facts is easier and less bothersome.
And as i clearly mentioned before, why even bother with looking it up when opportunity presents itself in this thread and address an issue which only proved to be a minute annoyance? Just simply posting here and showing what I heard from hearsay is clearly sufficient enough as it is for me, given that i don't want to bother with looking it up myself and also because it leaves me free time to browse through other forums which I chat in.
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You wanted to appear an idiot, good, that's your choice, but you should have expected to be called one then. And granted, the others had too much tact to call you one, but it doesn't change that you are essentially behaving like an idiot and choose to be ignorant also.
And as I said it is not easier to wait for the responses, since you have to type out the question and find the threads to ask it in, which is just much more actual work than checking it (which you can do in just about 3 seconds (I typed "wp Hurt" in YubNub, try it, takes 3 seconds most)
Ah, but heres the truth of it: I did not even bother trying to find a johnny cash thread intentionally. This one was stumbled upon by sheer coincidence that it just so happened to catch my eye and made me reflect upon the aforementioned hearsay. And coincidence is far more effortless then actually trying to find the thread for yourself. Besides which, i have no problem with waiting for an answer in the case that is the song Hurt simply because the awaiting of a response does not even bother me much and in that meantime i chat on other forums that present a far more pressing discussion actually worth a damn. But now at this point, it is now getting worth a damn for the simple reason that you present the means of putting me into a debate. And debates I enjoy. So do go on people.
Originally posted by doan_m
because now this debate has turned into something worth a damn. Its barely even about Johnny Cash and more so about theThat much is easy to concede when factoring in Johnny Cash and his song.
Correction. Not caring about info that i deem to be worth a damn to even consider looking up.
And where have I made such a clear decision on which side of the fence to even stand on?
A) It's not worth anything. You were ignorant and lazy, now you're putting effort into being lazy.
B) It's not his song. Still not learning anything I see.
C) But it's worth establishing a belief?
D) You said you believed it was his song because of popular opinion, did you not?
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, anyways, you choose to stay ignorant and wasted more time and energy asking about it on here.Oh well.
Thats rather ironic, given the fact that these boards were for the design and purpose of discussing any topics relevant to the design of the subforum that you reside in giving leeway to almost any topic so long as it's relevant. In otherwords, forums in general make for a wonderful time waster for just about everyone who participates and who could be "doing something else" rather then posting here. Thus, my post and its contribution to time wasting is no different then any others post here. Simple and plain is that.
A) It's not worth anything. You were ignorant and lazy, now you're putting effort into being lazy.
B) It's not his song. Still not learning anything I see.
C) But it's worth establishing a belief?
D) You said you believed it was his song because of popular opinion, did you not?
Originally posted by doan_m
It's worth debating against anyone here just for the simple reason that it has basically turned into a debate about something else. And usually i thrive on debates, which is why this thread has turned into something which i deem "worth a damn"
That's irrelevant, the fact is, you're an ignorant person and a lazy one also. You said something that clearly implied it was Johnny Cash's song, and when called up on it, you tried being all philosophical by saying "I have heard people saying he bummed the lyrics off NIN, so until proof is directed at me, I won't believe either way.". By implication that line suggests that your initial believe was that it's his song.
It's important who you credit somebody's hard work to, whether or not you believe it is, so you should have made the small effort to load Google and type the necessary request. It's not hard. Weaseling out isn't making you look smart or anything.
Originally posted by doan_m
Mis interpretive much? I was referring to his cover version. Not the original.
Sure, now you believe it's his cover.
Originally posted by doan_m
No, its just worth explaining. And in the case that this has become a debate (however inane) its far more fun to continue.
It's not a sensible debate. The fact of the matter is, you were prepared to miscredit someone's song, then when corrected, sit on the fence and not believe either, simply because you didn't deem it worthy to find out who deserves credit. You're an idiot.
Originally posted by doan_m
Feel free to quote me on that. Go on then, point out where I ever said I believed it was his song.
As said, you didn't actually say those word, you said it was your favourite Johnny Cash song. It's not a Johnny Cash song.
-AC
Originally posted by doan_mOn the contrary, it is more ignorant and more stupid.
Thats rather ironic, given the fact that these boards were for the design and purpose of discussing any topics relevant to the design of the subforum that you reside in giving leeway to almost any topic so long as it's relevant. In otherwords, forums in general make for a wonderful time waster for just about everyone who participates and who could be "doing something else" rather then posting here. Thus, my post and its contribution to time wasting is no different then any others post here. Simple and plain is that.
Also, trying to appear intelligent and actually being it are two different things.
Originally posted by Bardock42
On the contrary, it is more ignorant and more stupid.Also, trying to appear intelligent and actually being it are two different things.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's irrelevant, the fact is, you're an ignorant person and a lazy one also.
Ignorant in the case of Johnny Cash, yes. I have no problem with that. Deciphering lazy over data not worth a damn is a fallacious judgment to make given that you decided to pass this judgement on my actions based on something that barely even deems plausible to look at. Next time you decide to pass judgement be sure that your judging over the right thing, unlike what you just did now.
You said something that clearly implied it was Johnny Cash's song, and when called up on it, you tried being all philosophical by saying "I have heard people saying he bummed the lyrics off NIN, so until proof is directed at me, I won't believe either way.". By implication that line suggests that your initial believe was that it's his song.
An Implication absolutely incorrect by the quote that you picked up. "Won't believe either way" makes that so damn obvious, given in its clearly ambiguous nature which so clearly points out neutrality on the situation rather then a polarity to one side. Do you see it yet, or must the bolded text be any bigger? But just to simplify it, it means that i did not believe it was Cash's song, and i did not believe it was NIN's song either. At least until evidence was provided to me. That right there points to neutrality unadulterated, pure and simple.
It's important who you credit somebody's hard work to, whether or not you believe it is, so you should have made the small effort to load Google and type the necessary request. It's not hard. Weaseling out isn't making you look smart or anything.
Only if the person is that committed to the appreciation of a man's work. Yes, I did find it a good song to listen to, but I did not appreciate it enough to actually bother to find the means to find the source of the song. As is the case with many other people out there too. They have far more important things to do. Now given the fact that there are other people like that, are you going to go off and call them lazy as well?
Sure, now you believe it's his cover.
Failed reading comprehension didn't you? The post that i have made have little to no reference to actually saying that I still believed it was his cover. Nor is there any evidence of my post to affirm any amount to affirm a claim that i decided to withhold belief that it was still his song after the information was presented before me.
It's not a sensible debate. The fact of the matter is, you were prepared to miscredit someone's song, then when corrected, sit on the fence and not believe either, simply because you didn't deem it worthy to find out who deserves credit. You're an idiot.
Your not reading my post correctly at all. The fence was where i initially started when i first entered this thread. Need i cite and dissect my own post for you? Also when "corrected" I did not further encourage any behavior that so much as implies construing disbelief and reluctance. Any such behavior seen by the likes of you is an incorrect misinterpretation of my post.
As said, you didn't actually say those word, you said it was your favorite Johnny Cash song. It's not a Johnny Cash song.
I don't need anything laid out, and normally I'd be engaging in a multi-page impasse, but the fact of the matter is, you were lazy and you are ignorant.
The implication was that you thought Hurt was Cash's song and now you're trying to weasel out by talking as if you're some kind of scholar for no other purpose than to flesh out a reason to keep posting.
-AC