The Great Global Warming Swindle

Originally posted by KharmaDog
So we should cut down all the forests to make more houses? We should burn fossil fuels as much as possible?

Do you honestly believe that the environment is unimportant? or that trying to preserve or save the environment or wildlife is foolish?

No, I'm just saying it's not as bad as people may think.

we have it in our power to stop this stuff. but the people in power dont want it so

Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, forests and fossil fuels are natural and don't go away as fast as you might think.

I tend to believe that they don't grow back as fast as you think.

Originally posted by lord xyz
We've been cutting down trees since before gold was discovered.

Hence the reason why we're in such a f*ckin' mess right now.

Originally posted by lord xyz
There are more today than there were in 1920.

Please tell me where you got that stat from. Have you seen the amazon lately? It's not in good shape. In canada we have massive areas that have been clearcutted and they ain't growing back in a few years, maybe in a few hundred.

Originally posted by lord xyz
When a tree is cut down, another is planted in it's place.

O.k. Now you're buying into some one's propaganda. I suggest you talk to the university kids who do the majority of the tree planting and they will tell you that more than 80 percent of the trees that are planted incorrectly and of those that are planted correctly not even close to 1/2 are gong to make it their first year.

Not to mention that the trees that they are replacing with 6 inch planters are being planted in clear cuts that are not the proper environment for such trees. Smaller trees grow with larger ones around them which offer protection, not in clear cuts.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Do you really think industries are going to wipe out trees off the Earth?

I suggest you read more about the logging (or other ) industries and their effect on Canada's northwest coast. Industry is not interested in longterm future, but short term gain.

Where are you from by the way, and do you spend much time in the outdoors?

Originally posted by Deano
I saw a rare piece of outstanding journalism last night with a documentary on the UK's Channel 4 that demolished the official story of global warming with scientists who exposed the lies peddled by the scientific establishment and the intimidation of those who refuse to support the official line.

As I said in my newsletter two weeks ago, global warming is caused by changes going on with the SUN. The claims about carbon dioxide are part of a gigantic fraud to impose more taxaxtion and control.

VIDEO OF THE UK CHANNEL 4 DEMOLITION OF THE CARBON DIOXIDE-CAUSES-GLOBAL WARMING HOAX.

AN ABSOLUTELY MUST WATCH

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=global%2Bwarming%2Bswindle
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Green Groups Grumble Over Film Questioning Global Warming

Well, think of all the money they would lose when people realise that carbon-caused warming is a con)

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11531333/
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Guardian Environment Correspondent Condemns The Great Global Warming Swindle Documentary But Then Says He Never Watched It!

{'For a man in his position not to have watched a demolition of the carbon-dioxide-causes-global-warming lie that he perpetuates every day is a disgrace and shows that he and his like are not to be taken seriously. Here is a man far more interested in justifying his own existence than researching the truth.' }

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_adam/2007/03/envirocon.html

Meanwhile in Cuckoo Land ...

'The [UK] Conservatives are planning a series of new environmental taxes on flights aimed at combating climate change. The party will publish a consultation document on Sunday asking people for their views on various proposals. The proposals include levying VAT or fuel duty on domestic flights and a green air miles scheme.'

Pinch me I'm dreaming ... 'ouch!' ... no I'm not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6438685.stm

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I tend to believe that they don't grow back as fast as you think.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Hence the reason why we're in such a f*ckin' mess right now.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Please tell me where you got that stat from.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Have you seen the amazon lately? It's not in good shape. In canada we have massive areas that have been clearcutted and they ain't growing back in a few years, maybe in a few hundred.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
O.k. Now you're buying into some one's propaganda. I suggest you talk to the university kids who do the majority of the tree planting and they will tell you that more than 80 percent of the trees that are planted incorrectly and of those that are planted correctly not even close to 1/2 are gong to make it their first year.

Not to mention that the trees that they are replacing with 6 inch planters are being planted in clear cuts that are not the proper environment for such trees. Smaller trees grow with larger ones around them which offer protection, not in clear cuts.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I suggest you read more about the logging (or other ) industries and their effect on Canada's northwest coast. Industry is not interested in longterm future, but short term gain.

Where are you from by the way, and do you spend much time in the outdoors?

More info about logging: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logging

Incase you think it's so horrible for the environment.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But there are so many trees, by the time we're at the last tree, more than half of the others will have grown back.

As much as I like you, I refuse to debate agains such insane logic as this.

http://www.hpva.org/products/facts.asp

You actually think that a website who's mission statement is"
to promote and support the use of high quality, environmentally sound, decorative wood products manufactured in North America," is not at all biased?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yeah, that's from poor people using the trees to house their families and friends.

Holy sh*t dude? Are you serious? It's because of clear cut logging for lumber, increasing farm land and strip mining. (but mostly the lumber for export) Poor people can't afford major heavy machinery to cut down 100 foot tall trees.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Propoganda? Well, that's debatable, but you must have heard this from someone else, because I've heard it many times.

I've heard it from both people who planted trees through University and my brother-in-law who works for the ministry of the envirnoment in Alberta.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Trees might be lost in Canada, but that's not the end of the world.

First I'll say that that is a ridiculously ignorant comment. Second, Trees are being cut down at an alarming rate world wide. Great Britain used to be a forrested island over 1000 years ago...why have all those trees not grown back?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Incase you think it's so horrible for the environment.

Logging and proper forrestry practises are not bad for the environment. Industrial clearcutting and forrest, slash and burn clearing and forrest mismanagement is bad for the environment.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
As much as I like you, I refuse to debate agains such insane logic as this.

http://www.hpva.org/products/facts.asp

You actually think that a website who's mission statement is"
to promote and support the use of high quality, environmentally sound, decorative wood products manufactured in North America," is not at all biased?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Holy sh*t dude? Are you serious? It's because of clear cut logging for lumber, increasing farm land and strip mining. (but mostly the lumber for export) Poor people can't afford major heavy machinery to cut down 100 foot tall trees.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I've heard it from both people who planted trees through University and my brother-in-law who works for the ministry of the envirnoment in Alberta.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
First I'll say that that is a ridiculously ignorant comment. Second, Trees are being cut down at an alarming rate world wide. Great Britain used to be a forrested island over 1000 years ago...why have all those trees not grown back?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Logging and proper forrestry practises are not bad for the environment. Industrial clearcutting and forrest, slash and burn clearing and forrest mismanagement is bad for the environment.

Interesting discussion between xyz and Kharma. Siding with xyz for the most part. He's not being anti-environmentalist....simply not extreme environmentalist either.

Global warming is bullocks. But that doesn't mean we can ignore all environmental concerns just because global warming has taken center stage in the media recently. Just that it requires a healthy bit of temperance in these things. Both extremes are usually wrong....in anything.

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Anyway, I try to tell people about global warming. They don't listen, don't care, or (usually) simply don't believe me ("What about Al Gore...?"😉. Then I try to get them to watch the movie. Too lazy. Apathy is frustrating.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Interesting discussion between xyz and Kharma. Siding with xyz for the most part. He's not being anti-environmentalist....simply not extreme environmentalist either.

Global warming is bullocks. But that doesn't mean we can ignore all environmental concerns just because global warming has taken center stage in the media recently. Just that it requires a healthy bit of temperance in these things. Both extremes are usually wrong....in anything.

...

Anyway, I try to tell people about global warming. They don't listen, don't care, or (usually) simply don't believe me ("What about Al Gore...?"😉. Then I try to get them to watch the movie. Too lazy. Apathy is frustrating.

Global Warming - the most efficient PRS so far?

PROBLEM: Global warming caused by humans.

REACTION: Melting polar ice! How terrible! This can't go on. Something must be done. What are THEY going to do about it?!

SOLUTION:

One tax to rule them all
One tax to find them
One tax to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

thats what the controllers want?

Originally posted by Deano
Global Warming - the most efficient PRS so far?

PROBLEM: Global warming caused by humans.

REACTION: Melting polar ice! How terrible! This can't go on. Something must be done. What are THEY going to do about it?!

SOLUTION:

One tax to rule them all
One tax to find them
One tax to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

thats what the controllers want?