Dark Phoenix vs Amazo JLU

Originally posted by mykke
Why is this even a debate, there is no source showing JLU Amazo being able to copy abilities on the level of PF, if it is not show we must assume it cannot be done. You cannot assume because he can copy abilities of JLU that he can copy ANY ability. A human created him, he has limits. PF does not have limits. DP > Amazo 10 / 10

This isn't the PF it's DP. DP has said that she has limits.

In JLU Amazo was never shown to have dificulty absorbing anything. By the time of JLU he was no longer bound by any of the original problems being manufactued by a human.

I believe he even mentioned absorbing cosmic power.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Enough with the petty insults sweety.

OK would you like to see the closest that I saw to it being said that DP ate a star in Uncanny #135

Thats the Shiar speaking not the narrator.

you know i find it very funny you'd post that page considering it's not the one we are debating do youself a favor go about three pages back to be exact then re-read that whole page then post it and see if you don't know exactly what i'm talking about then get at me because you and i both know your lieing read the page with her in the exact center of the sun and then get at me.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This isn't the PF it's DP. DP has said that she has limits.

In JLU Amazo was never shown to have dificulty absorbing anything. By the time of JLU he was no longer bound by any of the original problems being manufactued by a human.

I believe he even mentioned absorbing cosmic power.

actually she stated she had those so called limits for the moment in that same thought bubble she stated her pwoers were still growing like how you left these facts out. oh and while your on that same page read the whole page and tell me im not right about her consuming that sun.

Originally posted by citannah17
you know i find it very funny you'd post that page considering it's not the one we are debating do youself a favor go about three pages back to be exact then re-read that whole page then post it and see if you don't know exactly what i'm talking about then get at me because you and i both know your lieing read the page with her in the exact center of the sun and then get at me.

Good point. It does state that: "In reality its future can be measured in a matter of minutes . . . as it is suddenly consumed by Dark Phoenix.

However, since we subsequently see the star explode and see it stated that DP is: "in the center of the supernova she created". Later we even see the nubula from the star fully intact as she heads for the Shiar ship.

The mass of the star was not consumed at all. At best it can be argued that she absorbed a great deal of energy from the core.

Either way saying that she ate a star is misrepresenting the scene.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Good point. It does state that: "In reality its future can be measured in a matter of minutes . . . as it is suddenly consumed by Dark Phoenix.

However, since we subsequently see the star explode and see it stated that DP is: "in the center of the supernova she created". Later we even see the nubula from the star fully intact as she heads for the Shiar ship.

The mass of the star was not consumed at all. At best it can be argued that she absorbed a great deal of energy from the core.

Either way saying that she ate a star is misrepresenting the scene.

you know you really dont want to be wrong BUT you are face it man dang if you're wrong your wrong it says consumed whats the difference between eating something and consuming nothing you just dont wanna be wrong which you are since i have panel proof and according to you from earlier statements i'm rigt. oh and by the way wrong wrong about your hypothetically statement above listen carefully SUN's ONLY GO NOVA AFTER THEY ARE DEPLETED OF ENERGY AND CONSIDERING she consumed it i see why it became a supernova.

Originally posted by citannah17
you know you really dont want to be wrong BUT you are face it man dang if you're wrong your wrong it says consumed whats the difference between eating something and consuming nothing you just dont wanna be wrong which you are since i have panel proof and according to you from earlier statements i'm rigt. oh and by the way wrong wrong about your hypothetically statement above listen carefully SUN's ONLY GO NOVA AFTER THEY ARE DEPLETED OF ENERGY AND CONSIDERING she consumed it i see why it became a supernova.

And it also says she made it go nova. And it also shows it going nova. And it also shows the nebula afterwards.

She didn't consume it. It's backed up by 3 pieces of evidence compared to your one piece.

You need to learn more about what makes a sun go nova tootsie.
Depleting them of energy does nothing but make them burn out if the the star is G-TypeMainSequence.

I have my money on PF/DP. There are just some things that are not meant too be understood that exist for a reason-she being one of them.

Is this to say that Amazo would copy The Presence's powers? No.

I think the Presence could drain Amazo's powers with the snap of a finger, if He so chose to do. Why? The underlying principle for Amazo's existence is under the laws of The Presence, that's why. DP/PF is one of these beings (even though in a different universe) whose laws I think still apply. ..just my opinion. But, it's how it SHOULD work anyway.

There are just some things that just aren't meant to be taken down that are woven into the fabric of essence/reality/creation that should not be disturbed by only the Almighty or powers closely related to it.

😉

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. 🙂

Originally posted by BobbyD
Is this to say that Amazo would copy The Presence's powers? No.

Bah! Amazo could do that easy. I demand that you believe my no limits fallacy.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Bah! Amazo could do that easy. I demand that you believe my no limits fallacy.

I will Smiteth thee! 😠

😛

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And it also says she made it go nova. And it also shows it going nova. And it also shows the nebula afterwards.

She didn't consume it. It's backed up by 3 pieces of evidence compared to your one piece.

You need to learn more about what makes a sun go nova tootsie.
Depleting them of energy does nothing but make them burn out if the the star is G-TypeMainSequence.

actually JACK you yourself provided me all the info i need even in your previous post with her flying through space in that same scan the narrator explains she absorbs life energy from the stars she consumes so JACK actually just maybe that's the reason it went nova and you should do your research and then maybe you wouldn't get yourself caught up in lies and by the way i recall you said she DESTROYED the star no where did you say she made it go nova in earlier posts. it was until now because you re-read the issue you even know what you talking about so get up on your knowledge first then maybe you could try to throw insults around.

Originally posted by citannah17
actually JACK you yourself provided me all the info i need even in your previous post with her flying through space in that same scan the narrator explains she absorbs life energy from the stars she consumes so JACK actually just maybe that's the reason it went nova and you should do your research and then maybe you wouldn't get yourself caught up in lies and by the way i recall you said she DESTROYED the star no where did you say she made it go nova in ealier posts. it was until now because you re-read the issue you even know what you talking about so get up on your knowledge first then maybe you could try to throw insults around.

Where have I lied? 😕 I've stated exactly what happened.

Blowing up a star and making it go nova is (in the vernacular) exactly the same thing. And the type of star (which was stated with great accuracy in the comic) that she was using cannot go nova when its energy is depleted, go do some reseach sweety.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Where have I lied? 😕 I've stated exactly what happened.

Blowing up a star and making it go nova is (in the vernacular) exactly the same thing. And the type of star (which was stated with great accuracy in the comic) that she was using cannot go nova when its energy is depleted, go do some reseach sweety.

its funny how you'd say making a star go nova and destroying it is the same thing yet say that eating and consuming a star is different you were proven wrong get over it and next time you advise me to go do RESEARCH please spell it RIGHT.

Originally posted by citannah17
its funny how you'd say making a star go nova and destroying it is the same thing yet say that eating and consuming a star is different you were proven wrong get over it and next time you advise me to go do RESEARCH please spell it RIGHT.

When did cosuming it and eating it become different things?

My argument is that she did not in fact consume or eat it since a nebula was able to form and because she blew up the star.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Where have I lied? 😕 I've stated exactly what happened.

Blowing up a star and making it go nova is (in the vernacular) exactly the same thing. And the type of star (which was stated with great accuracy in the comic) that she was using cannot go nova when its energy is depleted, go do some reseach sweety.

oh BTW you know it is COMIC logic so its not always going to be exactly accurate JACK and destroying a star and making it go nova are in no shape or form the same. considering usually when a star goes nova it's takes BILLIONS of of years of nuclear fusion of atoms. and destroying one could take possibly a few second if your a COSMIC. but seeing as she consumed it's life energies is what your forgetting it went nova earlier than expected. how do you like that research.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This isn't the PF it's DP. DP has said that she has limits.

In JLU Amazo was never shown to have dificulty absorbing anything. By the time of JLU he was no longer bound by any of the original problems being manufactued by a human.

I believe he even mentioned absorbing cosmic power.

actually the PF is dark phoenix she created a duplicate shell in the form of jean grey re-read ya comics.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When did cosuming it and eating it become different things?

My argument is that she did not in fact consume or eat it since a nebula was able to form and because she blew up the star.

who care what you think its your opinion so dont try to twist my words you keep talking about some nebula formed that was never stated in the comic panel get it in your head you are already contradicting yourself from earlier posts JACK even you stated she consumed it now your saying she didnt your lieing again 🤣 . do yourself a favor re-read everyone one of post then tell me i'm i lieing on you yourself saying she consumed it better yet i'd post it under this one.

Originally posted by citannah17
oh BTW you know it is COMIC logic so its not always going to be exactly accurate JACK and destroying a star and making it go nova are in no shape or form the same considering usually when a star goes nova it's takes BILLIONS of of years of nuclear fusion of atoms and destroying one could take possibly a few second if your a COSMIC. but seeing as she consumed it's life energies is what your forgetting it went nova earlier than expected how do you like that research.

You're the one who brought up that it was GTypeMainSequence originally.

Stars don't have life energy. Mainly because they're stars.

When a star goes nova it usually takes a few minutes actually. The lead up as it fuses it fuel into substances it can't fuse anymore is all that takes billions of years. Forcing a star to go nova can be as simple as removing or destroying the core causing the star to contract and subsequently detonate.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Good point. It does state that: "In reality its future can be measured in a matter of minutes . . . as it is suddenly consumed by Dark Phoenix.

However, since we subsequently see the star explode and see it stated that DP is: "in the center of the supernova she created". Later we even see the nubula from the star fully intact as she heads for the Shiar ship.

The mass of the star was not consumed at all. At best it can be argued that she absorbed a great deal of energy from the core.

Either way saying that she ate a star is misrepresenting the scene.

see even you said it says in the scans she consumed it

Originally posted by citannah17
who care what you think its your opinion so dont try to twist my words you keep talking about some nebula formed that was never stated in the comic panel

Yuo can see it when she heads toward the ship. The Shair even mention it (not by name but they do mention it)

Originally posted by citannah17
get it in your head you are already contradicting yourself from earlier posts JACK even you stated she consumed it now your saying she didnt your lieing again 🤣 . do yourself a favor re-read everyone one of post then tell me i'm i lieing on you yourself saying she consumed it better yet i'd post it under this one.

You're the one lying. Either that or you don't understand basic grammar.

Let me explain.

When I put words in these --> "" It means I'm making a quote not stating my own opinion.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're the one who brought up that it was GTypeMainSequence originally.

Stars don't have life energy. Mainly because they're stars.

When a star goes nova it usually takes a few minutes actually. The lead up as it fuses it fuel into substances it can't fuse anymore is all that takes billions of years. Forcing a star to go nova can be as simple as removing or destroying the core causing the star to contract and subsequently detonate.

you don't believe the life energy thing go back JACK re-read your earlier post with the scan then you will see the scans actually says she consumes stars life energy thats why i said its COMIC logic not real life you are taking this too seriously re-read the scan you posted then you'll see i'm right.