why there is no mention of the sith

THe rule of two didn't exist at the time the OT was made. I think that was something Lucas came up with later.

Lucas can't change his mind in 30 years?

Nope.

I can't even remeber 30 years ago.

Originally posted by queeq
THe rule of two didn't exist at the time the OT was made. I think that was something Lucas came up with later.

yeah i know that and you know that but the SW fans of the future who have the benefit(?) of watching these in order will probably be thinking about the rule of two thats what i was getting at

i was thinking that some kid would watch TPM 50 years from now and go "jesus that was crap...ill try the next one and if that sucks screw this SW saga" and miss out on the OT

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Not every movie is for everyone. The OT is hardly a spectacular piece of film.

It used to be. I do agree for new fans that the PT isn´t that great, PLUS it kinda ruins all the plot devices from the OT, which tends to make it somewhat boring. The whole superb ESB climax is now boring: the audience already knows it.

for sure the whole Luke Leia brother sister revelations in ROTJ are now pointless for those who will watch these in the future

They can always start watching episode4 first, then it will all be a surprise.

sure it happens
i watched Phantasm 2 before i watched Phantasm but in most cases i think they will start at TPM

Unless all movie critics and movie magazines, people at Lucasfilm and so on, say publicaly-start watching EP4-EP6 first and then 1-3.

Originally posted by queeq
I do agree for new fans that the PT isn´t that great, PLUS it kinda ruins all the plot devices from the OT, which tends to make it somewhat boring. The whole superb ESB climax is now boring: the audience already knows it.

I do agree with that, but there is no way around it.

The OT was only spectacular for tis effects, just like the PT. Acting, Dialogue, Plot, all suck. They have been made into "classics" by public perception. hey must be the most poorly made classics of all time.

The PT fails in the exact same areas.

The ONLY SW movie that is ever worthy of real acclaim is "Star Wars" as it was a technical revolution in filmaking and a revolution in film marketing and genre.

theres bad acting in a lot of classics
i was watching GOODFELLAS the other night and was surprised at how bad Ray Liotta was at times

the PT fails as it has no heart or fun
the OT has both

Exactly. And I don't think all acting is bad. ANH profits from Guinness and Cushing and the great character set of Luke, Leia and Han. ESB has pretty good acting if you ask me. Ford is at his best in all SW movies here. Fisher does a good job too. And ROTJ has MCDiarmid. It's too easy to say all acting and dialogue sucks. "I am your father" and Solo's "I know" are classics by themselves. Honestly, the OT really deserves it classic status and not only due to effects. It has originality (sci-fi in a used future setting), a strong though not deep storyline with clear themes. Every thing's kinda blurry in the PT.

As I said, ANH is an exception.

Its a "classic" because you/society choose to make it so, not becuase its good.

I disagree. It stands the test of time. Real classics do stand the test of time, like Gone with the Wind, Citizen Kane, Seven Samurai. Old films, but still great. Not because we chose to, but because people are still impressed by it. I think the same goes for SW...

The OT acting is generally better than the PT. The OT was Classic material due to its technological breakthrough combined with the science fiction aspect. At the time, such a breakthrough fit in perfectly with Sci-Fi, and would've just looked stupid in some Romance or Comedy or Drama flick.

Unfortunately for the PT, acting aside, CGI and computer gizmos etc., were not brand new things, TPM in contrast to ANH set no ground breaking, jaw-dropping, boundaries. While the PT beat the OT in the visual department every way you turned, it wasn't at a time when such effects were revolutionary and set a precedent for like every movie out there.

Combined with the poorer acting and dialog, the PT lags behind the OT.

It does.

No it doesn't, PT have, you gassed it Count Dooku.

Oh stop it, one-issue-poster.