Vinny may not be Gaytascular.....

Read upwards? I'm seeing nothing besides a quote that I said.

I'll come to my own decision. Until there's proof either way, I believe as I wish.

That's great. I'm still not Sorgo.

You're putting the cart before the horse, Seraphim. The intelligence isn't self-proclaimed, I just accept and know that it's there. I prove it, not by saying it, but...well...by proving it. I'm only saying it because you brought it up.

Talking a whole lot doesn't make you intelligent, AC. You're sitting here proclaiming that you're intelligent. It is self proclaimed intelligent. That's extremely arrogant. You know this.

Damn, how will I sleep tonight? Debating isn't hard if you know your shit, which I do, so it's easy for me.

More arrogance. Christ, man. No, you think you know your shit. There is a dramatic difference.

The difference is simple. Many members, including myself, had systematically destroyed every debate you came up with, we weren't sitting there simply saying we'd won. We had won. You still couldn't get the job done in PMs, you resorted to ignoring what I had said, ignoring my explanations and resorting to such dog-chase-tail rhetoric that even you got confused.

No, it wasn't rhetoric. I was perpetually asking for proof and you gave me nothing but irrelevant semantics and inane statements that wouldn't float on water if given a life jacket.

I didn't IGNORE you. I had a reply, yet the Administration decided you needed a little break from this website so you were effectively restricted for a good few days.

No, you didn't destroy much. You simply had numbers in favor of seniority among themselves. Again, you are appealing to a majority. I wonder if Hitler's cause was right because he had numbers. Hmm, better think on that one.

I don't. If I win, I win. I don't post my debate and say "I've won.". If there's more to be discussed, it's clearly on-going. In your case, you suffered the loss at many hands, not just my own.

No, not quite. The only difference between you and me is you have respect. That's it. You don't have to post a victory; Your half assed rhetoric does that for you, AC.

I'm not stupid. I won't be the masses and say "Wow, AC! You're just an incredible debater!" I'm not an idiot. I know you're not. That's the difference.

Just because you "hang on" doesn't make you anything special. I'm not blind.

I DISMISS myself as intelligent? Doesn't make sense. What you mean is that I put myself across as intelligent? Maybe. I am, I know I am. The difference is, I don't say it as a means to win debates. Me saying I'm smart won't give me any victory. Me backing myself up, will, and does. You just go around saying how you own people.

I've explained why I say I own people during arguments, but you obviously have difficulties listening. Yes, you dismissed yourself as intelligent. You stated you were intelligent. You call me out on making meaningless jokes during debates, yet you flaunt how intelligent you are during debates?

Hypocrisy is an awful thing to contain, AC.

Isn't it funny how you literally can't stop copying or mirroring me? Even in the above quote you attempt it. Seraphim, be your own man. Seriously. Just be yourself. It's cold in my shadow.

I do it on purpose. You claim to be so intelligent, yet you cannot pick up the most blunt and obvious things? Seriously.

We all have our tactics, AC. Even you.

I'm not actually interested in being friends nor taking you "down". I'm just making many points that you confirm, unbeknownst to you. Besides, I don't do the same thing twice often. Certainly not with intent.

You don't? Really?

We'll see.

So it's a subconscious thing then? Because your posts don't tell the same tale.

No, If I am somewhat scarcely like you, this is not my fault. I do not purposely copy you and If I do, I'm doing it and using that as a device.

I wish I was sorry.

No, I don't think you do wish that. Really, though.

Names? I think you are acting like an idiot by definition, so I call you one.

You called me a name. It's simple. If I think you're acting like a rotting shit, I don't say it. I keep it to myself because it's meaningless and I know it won't aid my argument.

Some of us are ignorant to that factor, though.

Tackle what? The famous "O RLY?" debate? The Frozen Templars? What an intellectual juggernaut you are. Seriously, you're the juggernaut, b*tch.

That's going in my profile.

The ORLY debate is now famous?

I'll dismiss this as needless semantics. "That's what it is, hoe!"

So you admit and deny the repetition? Odd, odd fellow.

No, stop trying to catch me in an inexistent contradiction. You tried to say I was mimicking you again and I simply stated I put it there purposely.

I do not feel I should have to lay everything out for you but these things must be done sometimes, I suppose.

APPEALING to? I can't help who I appeal to. Where you looking for a different word? Adhere? Agree? Something else beginning with A? Come on, you can do it, don't slow down that grammatical locomotion now, dude.

More ridiculous semantics. You refuse to absolutely refute my debate. Instead? You mock it. Whoa, AC uses devices as well! Why am I not surprised?

Sometimes, there are things you just cannot escape. Learn that I am one of those things.

Actually, "Appealing to the majority" or better known as the Latin "Argumentum ad populum" is a Logical Fallacy.

Looking for a different word? Me? Nahhhhhhh!

It's proven that I do win debates. I prove that by...well...winning them.

I never denied that you don't win debates, pal.

Whether or not I keep going after I have won is a different matter.

Right on! He smacks the target without HASTE!

I openly admit that I give stupid people a little more time than I should, when I should perhaps just walk away post-debate, but that isn't me trying to make it SEEM like I've won. People can see that for themselves. I don't need to point it out.

No. Patronize, rant, wait, reply, patronize, rant, wait, reply ...

Simple. You attempt to degrade your opponents. I call you out on it, ignore it then effortlessly move on.

See, you've pointed it out there. You simply have people. Respect drifts upon your side. Simple. Me? I've been here for a few months. Respect isn't an option.

No, you've seen similar. I break things down when there's something incorrect or nonsensical. You break down "O RLY?".

AOR broke down ORLY, Silly.

You trying to be me, I thought that was established.

NT RLY.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Talking a whole lot doesn't make you intelligent, AC. You're sitting here proclaiming that you're intelligent. It is self proclaimed intelligent. That's extremely arrogant. You know this.

You expect me to say I'm not arrogant? Won't happen. Either way, I back up what I say. I do know I'm intelligent, because I am, I fail to see why I should deny it. There's a difference between constantly ramming it down throats and just believing it.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
More arrogance. Christ, man. No, you think you know your shit. There is a dramatic difference.

No, I do know my shit. I always know what I'm talking about, I don't debate unless I do. You're telling me I don't know my shit just because you're looking for something to debate against. Like me, love me, dislike me or hate me, to sit there and say I don't know my shit is just ignorance.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
No, it wasn't rhetoric. I was perpetually asking for proof and you gave me nothing but irrelevant semantics and inane statements that wouldn't float on water if given a life jacket.

Saying "perpetually" a lot doesn't make you smart either. Just rolling that out there.

Again with the ignorance. I prove things, you ignore them, ask for proof, I prove them again etc. That's precisely what it was. You were moonwalking because everyone had cracked your little game and exposed the flaws in your explanation.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I didn't IGNORE you. I had a reply, yet the Administration decided you needed a little break from this website so you were effectively restricted for a good few days.

You didn't ignore me literally, you just ignored my points so that you could continue replying to me. Had you looked at my points, you'd have realised you were wrong, which was precisely why you didn't look at them.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
No, you didn't destroy much. You simply had numbers in favor of seniority among themselves. Again, you are appealing to a majority. I wonder if Hitler's cause was right because he had numbers. Hmm, better think on that one.

Leave the comparisons to those more able.

Numbers were coincidental, the fact that we all proved you and your silly little logic wrong is why your arguments were destroyed. The fact that I reduced you to simply replying for the sake of it is what proves that. You would never have stopped because that would imply you knew you'd lost, which you did. Your debate was countered, dissected and disintegrated.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I'm not stupid. I won't be the masses and say "Wow, AC! You're just an incredible debater!" I'm not an idiot. I know you're not. That's the difference.

No, you jet in the other direction, attempting to be a rebel and tell me I don't know my shit, which is quite ridiculous. This aside; You are stupid.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Just because you "hang on" doesn't make you anything special. I'm not blind.

If I ever "hang on", it's after I've won. I make sure to get the actual debate done and dusted before any pointless impasse happens. I'm guilty of arguing for the sake of, but not so much anymore. That doesn't mean I do it because I've lost, like with you. You were done long before out PMs.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I've explained why I say I own people during arguments, but you obviously have difficulties listening. Yes, you dismissed yourself as intelligent. You stated you were intelligent. You call me out on making meaningless jokes during debates, yet you flaunt how intelligent you are during debates?

Dismiss myself as intelligent? You mean display.

I don't "flaunt" how intelligent I am during debates. I'm saying it now because it's topic. I don't constantly do it, but you wouldn't know that, cos you're an OTF hermit.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I do it on purpose. You claim to be so intelligent, yet you cannot pick up the most blunt and obvious things? Seriously.

I can, I just think you're a liar. There's a difference.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
We all have our tactics, AC. Even you.

Yeah; Read the opposing argument, reply accordingly. Not read, reply, get whooped, moan, which seems to be yours.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
No, If I am somewhat scarcely like you, this is not my fault. I do not purposely copy you and If I do, I'm doing it and using that as a device.

You don't purposefully copy me...but if you do...you say you're using it as a device? So...you're purposefully copying me then, aren't you?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
No, I don't think you do wish that. Really, though.

Let me do something, let me repeat YOU for once; You can't pick up blunt and obvious things?

It's sarcasm. Come on in.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
You called me a name. It's simple. If I think you're acting like a rotting shit, I don't say it. I keep it to myself because it's meaningless and I know it won't aid my argument.

You did just say it, and additionally, you swore! Oh no!

I didn't call you a name, idiot is a genuine word. You were offended, your problem.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's going in my profile.

The ORLY debate is now famous?

I'll dismiss this as needless semantics. "That's what it is, hoe!"

No, it's not famous, that was the point of the comment. I'll spell it out next time.

A profile quote, nice, Mr. I'm not obsessed.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
No, stop trying to catch me in an inexistent contradiction. You tried to say I was mimicking you again and I simply stated I put it there purposely.

Inexistent? You mean non-existent? Maybe I'll catch you in an existent moment of intelligence one day.

You put it there purposely a lot, yet you deny you're trying to be like me. You are, purposely or not. So why deny this? Flattering.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I do not feel I should have to lay everything out for you but these things must be done sometimes, I suppose.

It's funny how much I've had to explain to you in this very post. Our debates are me explaining shit you don't understand or willingly ignore.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
More ridiculous semantics. You refuse to absolutely refute my debate. Instead? You mock it. Whoa, AC uses devices as well! Why am I not surprised?

I mock it because it's mock WORTHY. There's absolutely nothing to refute. Refute what? You're copying me, you're shadowing me. That way my point. You deny it, then confirm it.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Sometimes, there are things you just cannot escape. Learn that I am one of those things.

So you ARE an obsessed fan...

Whatcha want? Sticker, autograph?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Actually, "Appealing to the majority" or better known as the Latin "Argumentum ad populum" is a Logical Fallacy.

Looking for a different word? Me? Nahhhhhhh!

So why ask ME to slow down appealing to the majority? I can't control how I appeal to them. You're an idiot. You say things you don't understand.

If you can't define the word, don't use the word.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I never denied that you don't win debates, pal.

I know, you have denied that I do implicitly.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Right on! He smacks the target without HASTE!

You get a point only when I give you one.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
No. Patronize, rant, wait, reply, patronize, rant, wait, reply ...

Simple. You attempt to degrade your opponents. I call you out on it, ignore it then effortlessly move on.

If I make my opponents feel stupid, or if they give me reason to make them feel stupid, I do so. It's never the core of my debate in any case, the core of my debate is always opposing the argument, not the person. Am I denying I can be ad hominem? No, but it is never the reason I debate, nor is it the tool/device I use to win. You can't win like that. You should know, you tried it with me, and are doing so now.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
See, you've pointed it out there. You simply have people. Respect drifts upon your side. Simple. Me? I've been here for a few months. Respect isn't an option.

I was winning debates when I first entered this site, I got respect because I won debates, I don't win debates because I get respect. By your own admission, I'm an arrogant "rotten shit", right? Why on Earth would my attitude be reason for people to say I win? I win because I know my shit. Not because I say "I win", because I just do.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
AOR broke down ORLY, Silly.

Technically you did too.

Essentially all you've been reduced to is debating with me about why you dislike my attitude. Rather silly.

PM me if you want to discuss my personality, or if you're intent on having the last word, reply here and I'll PM you.

-AC

You expect me to say I'm not arrogant? Won't happen. Either way, I back up what I say. I do know I'm intelligent, because I am, I fail to see why I should deny it. There's a difference between constantly ramming it down throats and just believing it.

Good for those who ram it down peoples throats and just believe it. Don't self proclaim that you're intelligent. It's a sign of arrogance.

Example: I KNOW I'M F*CKING STRONG, DUDE. I SHOW IT, MAN!

^ That's a fancy example of arrogance. Deja Vu?

No, I do know my shit. I always know what I'm talking about, I don't debate unless I do. You're telling me I don't know my shit just because you're looking for something to debate against. Like me, love me, dislike me or hate me, to sit there and say I don't know my shit is just ignorance.

No, I'm telling you. YOU DO NOT. Don't be general, stick to the principal here. Even with our last debate, AC, I created TFT and I'm telling you it was not elitist. I even provided proof and the word of those who were a part of TFT. You chose to ignore me and just drag it on and on into oblivion. You're doing the same thing here. The difference? None. You're trying patronize me and drive my debate into the ground without effectively staying relevant.

Saying "perpetually" a lot doesn't make you smart either. Just rolling that out there.

I just think it looks better than "continuously", really.

Again with the ignorance. I prove things, you ignore them, ask for proof, I prove them again etc. That's precisely what it was. You were moonwalking because everyone had cracked your little game and exposed the flaws in your explanation.

No, everyone just decided to utilize the majority and repeat themselves until the thread got closed although I proved that there was nothing wrong with what we were doing.

A lot of members were mad because their friends had joined and they thought their friend were getting bossed around.

What happened?

TFT got PERPETUALLY bashed and bashed AND bashed. People make mock threads, tried to get members to leave, fought with the existing members and made fun of us ...

Ask any of my members. Hell, they told you guys this all too many times: I wasn't telling anyone to do. It was just a sort of social thing. No one was being given orders or anything. We had fun, until it got destroyed.

Majority > Minority. That's just the way the gears turn in this scenario. We were essentially dissipated.

You didn't ignore me literally, you just ignored my points so that you could continue replying to me. Had you looked at my points, you'd have realised you were wrong, which was precisely why you didn't look at them.

Your point were nothing. Half were inane and empty. You basically made a statement and said "I PROVED IT! I PROVED IT!"

I asked you for proof over and over again but received nothing. I drove most of your points into the ground because your take was that I was being elitist. I wasn't. I tried telling you, but you did not listen.

Leave the comparisons to those more able.

Numbers were coincidental, the fact that we all proved you and your silly little logic wrong is why your arguments were destroyed. The fact that I reduced you to simply replying for the sake of it is what proves that. You would never have stopped because that would imply you knew you'd lost, which you did. Your debate was countered, dissected and disintegrated.

No, you're just stating you won for the sake of stating that you won. You had no evidence. NOTHING to prove I was elitist. You basically repeated yourself hoping I would stop dropping you and asking you for evidence for your claims. You had a majority of people who were made because their friend were in this social group. People tend to get enraged when they feel excluded. You had numbers, and they still changed nothing. Even with that many people against me, it didn't matter. You were all wrong because I wasn't elitist. The members involved backed that up! Hell, they said I had never bossed them around and I was definitely not being elitist. People could ask for invites, even. Nothing was special and no exclusive members were chosen. I looked at who was on-line and threw invitations out via PM.

Simple concept. ONE you could not seem to grasp.

No, you jet in the other direction, attempting to be a rebel and tell me I don't know my shit, which is quite ridiculous. This aside; You are stupid.

See? All I see is this:

"i[]I'm not stupid. I know my shit. You're stupid![/i]"

You sound like a god damned child, AC. Get your act together.

I attempted to be a rebel? Coming from the guy who had no reason and evidence to go against TFT but did anyways just for the SAKE of looking like a hero.

See? I can pretend I know what I'm saying too! Yay. The difference? It happened.

If I ever "hang on", it's after I've won. I make sure to get the actual debate done and dusted before any pointless impasse happens. I'm guilty of arguing for the sake of, but not so much anymore. That doesn't mean I do it because I've lost, like with you. You were done long before out PMs.

No, you just proclaim it so. You think you can just sit here and say you defeated me? You can't! I wasn't done, you had not effectively destroyed any of my points and you simply lacked evidence.

You avoided a number of my questions for proof and replaced with shoddy rhetoric.

Dismiss myself as intelligent? You mean display.

I don't "flaunt" how intelligent I am during debates. I'm saying it now because it's topic. I don't constantly do it, but you wouldn't know that, cos you're an OTF hermit.

You don't flaunt how intelligent you are during a debate?

I do know I'm intelligent

^ This is you speaking.

You're stereotyping now? And you claim not to be ignorant?

I post at the OTF? What does that change, AC? You trying to say something here?

I can, I just think you're a liar. There's a difference.

Stop speaking out of your ass. You can't.

Yeah; Read the opposing argument, reply accordingly. Not read, reply, get whooped, moan, which seems to be yours.

I've explained yours. I don't repeat myself, even to those who seem to have difficulties picking up something as simple as their own debating pattern.

You don't purposefully copy me...but if you do...you say you're using it as a device? So...you're purposefully copying me then, aren't you?

Occasionally. Sometimes, I like to. That example in which you placed the definition in brackets after stating the word? I did that purposely as a device against you. It's showing flaw in a statement because I can effectively do the same thing and hold on parallel ground.

Let me do something, let me repeat YOU for once; You can't pick up blunt and obvious things?

It's sarcasm. Come on in.

For once? I doubt that, AC.

Yes, Sarcasm. Another one of your ... Hmm ... "Fronts", so to say.

An avoidance device, really. Irrelevant sarcasm. Works every time. Right?

Kevin Spacey said it best:

WRONG!

You did just say it, and additionally, you swore! Oh no!

I'll explain this to you, since you seemingly don't understand.

I was making an example.

Keyword in my sentence? IF.

I didn't call you a name, idiot is a genuine word. You were offended, your problem.

No, it's not famous, that was the point of the comment. I'll spell it out next time.

A profile quote, nice, Mr. I'm not obsessed.

I just found it funny. I take to a lot of fads and you mentioned the Juggernaut. I found it slightly amusing. Doesn't change the comments status compared to the argument, though; IRRELEVANT.

Inexistent? You mean non-existent? Maybe I'll catch you in an existent moment of intelligence one day.

I apologize for the error. Although it seems you know what I meant. Why do you elaborate upon something so needless?

Tactic, my friend.

Tactic.

You put it there purposely a lot, yet you deny you're trying to be like me. You are, purposely or not. So why deny this? Flattering.

I'm not like you because I use your material against you, AC. Hopefully, I won't have to explain the difference in more basic terms ...

Seeing as you're so intelligent. Hah.

It's funny how much I've had to explain to you in this very post. Our debates are me explaining shit you don't understand or willingly ignore.

More irrelevant semantics? Good work, you get a small lemon candy now, Johnny!

Seriously. You attempt to patronize. It's something you use in debates to drive the topic off course and to utterly degrade and confuse your opponent to the point where they just surrender and throw in a loss.

You can NOT do that with me. I've seen it various times. Textbook tactics for people who can't debate.

I mock it because it's mock WORTHY. There's absolutely nothing to refute. Refute what? You're copying me, you're shadowing me. That way my point. You deny it, then confirm it.

There is something to refute and we're at this point because you drove us to this point. Mocking, patronizing, degrading ... It's what you DO. There is a specific word for this technique, but I do not remember what it was. I'll have to find it.

So you ARE an obsessed fan...

Whatcha want? Sticker, autograph?

Figurative speech, AC.

Shot down.

So why ask ME to slow down appealing to the majority? I can't control how I appeal to them. You're an idiot. You say things you don't understand.

"Everyone was smashing you, everyone agreed with me ..."

APPEALING. TO. A. MAJORITY.

Do I have to break this down any further for you? God almighty.

You're an idiot. You try to comprehend things that you CANNOT comprehend. Simple.

If you can't define the word, don't use the word.

I know, you have denied that I do implicitly.

Bullshit. Stop making assumptions.

You get a point only when I give you one.

Incorrect. Next time, drop your ego at the door.

If I make my opponents feel stupid, or if they give me reason to make them feel stupid, I do so. It's never the core of my debate in any case, the core of my debate is always opposing the argument, not the person. Am I denying I can be ad hominem? No, but it is never the reason I debate, nor is it the tool/device I use to win. You can't win like that. You should know, you tried it with me, and are doing so now.

Stop building excuses for your underdeveloped tactic. Honestly. How do you be Ad Hominem? You can utilize the Logical Fallacy, but you can't be it. Wow, don't call me stupid next time. If you don't, you'll be hypocrite-free!

Wrong again. Read above. You've said the same thing at the end of that particular post.

I was winning debates when I first entered this site, I got respect because I won debates, I don't win debates because I get respect. By your own admission, I'm an arrogant "rotten shit", right?

Strawman, Logical Fallacy.

You're debating a "inexistent" point. I never called you a rotten shit, I used those words in an example. You're becoming sloppy.

Seniority and respect can give you legs in life but they won't make you walk, AC.

Why on Earth would my attitude be reason for people to say I win? I win because I know my shit. Not because I say "I win", because I just do.

Actually, It's essentially because you say you win. I've proved that, which is kind of ironic.

Technically you did too.

Essentially all you've been reduced to is debating with me about why you dislike my attitude. Rather silly.

No, that's all YOU'VE reduced me to. I've simply played along with the degradation tactic and called you out on it along the way.

PM me if you want to discuss my personality, or if you're intent on having the last word, reply here and I'll PM you.

-AC

Alright then. I'll be waiting for that PM then.

nothin but pages of jibba jabba

jk 😂 jeez, AC swingin swords again i see

Your madly incorrect use of the English language is depressing.

Keep your eyes on your PM box.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Your madly incorrect use of the English language is depressing.

Keep your eyes on your PM box.

-AC

god AC your mother must be so proud to have produced such an annoyance. Bloody argumentative waste of space

thats almost a whole page in what like 4 post between them.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
god AC your mother must be so proud to have produced such an annoyance. Bloody argumentative waste of space

You're so damn rude. You need to go away. Your mere presence is dropping my IQ significantly.

IDK about that man. AC has entertained me on multiple occasions, this being one.

yeah he is hilarious, ill definetly give him that

See, AC? You're a funny guy. Heh.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
You're so damn rude. You need to go away. Your mere presence is dropping my IQ significantly.

I really really hope that is a p!sstake of the AC style post, if so it was brilliantly executed and I applaud you.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I really really hope that is a p!sstake of the AC style post, if so it was brilliantly executed and I applaud you.

Help me ...

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Help me ...

Look in your phone book, your help is under Psychologist. Har har J/k

Originally posted by darthsecretus30
Look in your phone book, your help is under Psychologist. Har har J/k

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Help me ...

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
See, AC? You're a funny guy. Heh.

I never said he was funny bro, I said he entertains. Your funny, looking Har har.. 😛

Don't worry about Chill, he's moderately obsessive.

-AC

done