I think it's pretty planly indicated in Revelation that the pit of fire is created by God, but I guess that's different from Hell? I mean, it's not where the devil is now, since it hasn't even been created yet...
I won't say "jackass," but I agree with H. S. 6 that when someone is obviously looking for a Christian perspective, butting in and declaring that it's not meaningful because God doesn't exist is pretty damn rude. To answer his question, I don't think [entering Christian mode] that Satan can be God's enemy in any meaningful way, since God is omnipotent and Satan isn't. Presumably, it suites God's purpose to have a being that tests his creations.
Originally posted by TRH
he is not a jackass if you dont like what he says do something bout it
The first post of the thread clearly says:
Originally posted by King Kandy
No "God does not exist". I'm an Athiest, but I want this answered from a total Christian perspective.
He came in here looking for an argument. Perhaps dropping one or two of his comments is okay, but I was asking an honest question.
It's all common courtesy.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
But you should respect the fact he wants an answer to his question, not a declaration of God's nonexistence you've given 10,000,000 times before.
How do I do that? It would be like someone asking you what kind of lipstick do Leprechauns use. You would have to say that Leprechauns are myths and therefore can't use lipstick.
From Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics by Norman Geisler
The Bible describes the reality of hell in forceful figures of speech. It is said to be a place of darkness, which is "outside" [the gate of the heavenly city]. Hell is away from the "presence of the Lord". Of course, these are relational, not necessarily spatial terms. God is "up" and hell is "down." God is "inside" and hell is "outside." Hell is the other direction from God.
The nature of hell is a horrifying reality. It is like being left outside in the dark forever (Matt. 8:12). It is like a wandering star (Jude 13), a waterless cloud (Jude 12), a perpetually burning dump (Mark 9:43-48), a bottomless pit (Rev. 20:1,3), a prison (1 Peter 3:19), and a place of anguish and regret (Luke 16:28).
To borrow the title of the book by Lewis, hell is the "great divorce" -- an eternal separation from God (2 Thess. 1:7-9). There is, in bilbical language, "a great gulf fixed" between hell and heaven (Luke 16:26) so that no one can pass form one side to the other.
Nowhere does the Bible describe it as a "torture chamber" where people are forced against their will to be tortured. This is a caricature created by unbelievers to justify their reaction that the God who send people to hell is cruel. This does not mean that hell is not a place or torment. Jesus said it was (Luke 16:24). but unlike torture which is inflicted from without against one's will, torment is self-inflicted.
Even atheists (Sartre) have suggested that the door of hell is locked from the inside. We are condemned to our own freedom from God. Heaven's presence of the divine would be the torture to one who has irretrievably rejected him. Torment is living with the consequences of our own bad choices. It is the weeping and gnashing of teeth tat results from the realization that we blew it and deserve the consequences. Just as a football player may pound on the ground in agony after missing a play that loses the Super Bowl, so those in hell know that the pain they suffer is self-induced.
As to the question of wheter or not God created Hell, since I believe that hell is the separation of man from God, therefore we in a sense created hell.
But does hell exist?
Jesus taught the existence of hell.
Matt. 10:28; Matt. 13:40; Matt. 25:41b; Mark 9:43; Luke 16:19-31
The Bible teaches that there is a hell
Rev. 20:11-15; 2 Thess. 1:7b-9; Heb. 9:27
God's justice demands a hell
Justice demands the existence of hell, and God is just (Romans 2)
God is so pure and untainted that he cannot even look upon sin
(Hab. 1:13)
God is no respecter of persons (Rom. 2:11)
God's love demands a hell
The Bible asserts that "God is love". But love cannot act coercively, only persuasively. A God of love cannot force people to love him. Force love is not love; it is rape. A loving being always gives "space" to others He does not force himself upon them against their will. Hence, those who do not choose to love God must be allowed not to love him. Those who do not wish to be with him must be allowed to be separated from him. Hell allows separation from God.
Human dignity demands a hell
Since God cannot force people into heaven against their free will, human free choice demands a hell.
God's sovereignty demands a hell.
Unless there is a hell there is no final victory over evil. For what frustrates good is evil.
The cross of Christ implies Hell... and I have run out of room. 😄
Re: Did God create Hell?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Any bible quotes one way or another would help.No "God does not exist". I'm an Athiest, but I want this answered from a total Christian perspective.
Yes, God does exist. I am a Christian, and I have just answered this from a total Christian perspective.
Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
King Kandy, Hell or Hades was not created for people it was created or prepared for the devil and his demonic angels. It is a place of punishment for them. But sinful humanity will go there if they choose to.
Originally posted by Nellinator
You could just stay on topic then and not post. The common courtesy thing...
I could say that same thing about you. Just because you don't like my answer does not mean it was off topic. There are a lot of times where I do not like your answer, but I don't try to stop you from posting. Now if I was Spamming, that would be a different story, but I made my posts short and didn't include irrelevant links, like other Christians would do in a non-Christian focused thread.