300 vs Achilles' Myrmidons (Troy)

Originally posted by Ana P
The thread starter didn't state anything so we can only speculate on the conditions of this battle, which we are doing. You can't say he isn't because Crease didn't mention anything on which myth to follow.

Also, just because he has a weakness doesn't me he isn't invulnerable. We've seen Superman bleed from hard enough punches. That doesn't mean he is not invulnerable, it just means he is invulnerable to a certain extent. The same may be with that myth about Achilles, maybe in that myth if he gets shot in the head with an arrow it breaks and falls to the ground and the only thing that can kill him is a blow it his weak spot do to some curse from the Styx for not completely being dipped. We can only speculate.

lol....I know what you're saying. Invulnerability is the wrong word to use I believe. If something bleeds..it definitely is vulnerable to physical harm. The proper term to use might be "Invincible"...Invincible is applied to that which cannot be conquered in combat or war, or overcome or subdued in any manner.....that would describe Achilles'...it doesn't mean that he can't be killed....it just means that he can not be defeated in straight up combat.

I'm just prone to argue on little things...lol...I'm bored and it gives me something to do right now..lol

Maybe, in some sense...Achilles is like Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander....except that Achilles isn't immortal. Duncan can be physically hurt in battle, yet the only way he can die is if you take his head. Achilles is said to only be able to die if his heel is punctured. Same difference I guess

I agree that Invincible would have been somewhat of a better title. I like the idea of him being unbeatable and untouchable (which he kinda was) and anything short of a god can't kill him.

Oh and I was under the impression that Connor MacLeod had to kill in order to stay immortal. But I'm reading that he kills to get "The Prize"

All this time I was thinking "There Can Be Only One" meant "There Can Be Only One Immortal" but it actually means "There Can Be Only One Winner Of The Prize"...

More maybe that's what the prize is... being the only one who gains true Immortality...

The winner of the prize gains the knowledge and skill of every immortal that ever existed...the accumulated quickening of all immortals granted to the last immortal standing. Gives him the ability to read the minds of every living creature on the planet, as well as have children, grow old, and die.

Originally posted by Ana P
The Myrmidons are Mythological Beings.

They where Ants that were given Human form by Zeus himself. They were created to be just as hardy as ants, meaning they possibly had some degree of super strength and durability. They were also highly trained. If you take that into consideration and the fact that Achilles is a great warrior and leader there is no reason why the Myrmidons should lose.

You also can't compare poorly trained Persians to Highly Trained Greeks with basically the same training as the Spartans. And the Trojan Army (Who The Myrmidons Fought) were no push overs much like the Persian Army.

ughh.. nice post for the most part, but it's folley to assume that the entirety of the persian army wasn't well trained.. the immortals for instance.. the movie obviously didn't portray them correctly but the emotions they conveyed to the majority of the greek populace was dead on when they were first mentioned in the movie..

up until thermopolye no one had yet figured out a way to beat them.. they HAD conquered most of the armies of the known world by that point. they were HIGHLY trained warriors.

Originally posted by jinzin
ughh.. nice post for the most part, but it's folley to assume that the entirety of the persian army wasn't well trained.. the immortals for instance.. the movie obviously didn't portray them correctly but the emotions they conveyed to the majority of the greek populace was dead on when they were first mentioned in the movie..

up until thermopolye no one had yet figured out a way to beat them.. they HAD conquered most of the armies of the known world by that point. they were HIGHLY trained warriors.

Agreed, but, they didn't have the training or physical edge over the Spartans, basically, the Spartans are just more skilled. Also, Spartans have a big advantage as far as weaponry goes (I mean, the immortals used wicker shields). Think of it like Batman vs. a professional boxer. Batman has more skill, a physical advantage, and much better weaponry.

Oh yeah, and the 300 go down, if we base this on the Myrmidons from the Iliad.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Agreed, but, they didn't have the training or physical edge over the Spartans, basically, the Spartans are just more skilled. Also, Spartans have a big advantage as far as weaponry goes (I mean, the immortals used wicker shields). Think of it like Batman vs. a professional boxer. Batman has more skill, a physical advantage, and much better weaponry.

Oh yeah, and the 300 go down, if we base this on the Myrmidons from the Iliad.

pretty much in agreement with everything you just said, I just wanted to point out the fighters like the immortals were not getting the due credit they deserved.

Im skipping the entire thread, because I notice that people are talking about the MYTHOLOGICAL Myrmidons.

However, the thread refers to the Myrmidons from TROY - who did absolutely NOTHING impressive.

Originally posted by jinzin
ughh.. nice post for the most part, but it's folley to assume that the entirety of the persian army wasn't well trained.. the immortals for instance.. the movie obviously didn't portray them correctly but the emotions they conveyed to the majority of the greek populace was dead on when they were first mentioned in the movie..

up until thermopolye no one had yet figured out a way to beat them.. they HAD conquered most of the armies of the known world by that point. they were HIGHLY trained warriors.

Originally posted by jinzin
pretty much in agreement with everything you just said, I just wanted to point out the fighters like the immortals were not getting the due credit they deserved.

Hercules and I have already settled this debate. Go back to the first page.

I don't want to go over this again.

Originally posted by Soljer
Im skipping the entire thread, because I notice that people are talking about the MYTHOLOGICAL Myrmidons.

However, the thread refers to the Myrmidons from TROY - who did absolutely NOTHING impressive.

Hercules and I have already come up with multiple scenarios onto which versions would win. Instead of skipping the thread try reading it 😉

Originally posted by Ana P

Hercules and I have already come up with multiple scenarios onto which versions would win. Instead of skipping the thread try reading it 😉

Or, I could not waste my time.

The 'movie' Three Hundred absolutely rape the 'movie' Myrmidons.

Originally posted by Soljer
Or, I could not waste my time.

The 'movie' Three Hundred absolutely rape the 'movie' Myrmidons.

Do whatever you want.

We've already stated that...

Hell, the mythological Achilles could possibly solo the 300. Keep in mind that in most myths, it's Paris, with Apollo guiding the arrow, who finally takes him down. Nobody else, except for one person who I'll mention later, was able to solo him. And Achilles had divine armor forged by Hephaestus. I just don't see the Spartans taking him down. Btw, the guy who hurt Achilles at the river Scamander? I'm pretty sure that was Sarpedon, a son of Zeus. So that's not really a knock on Achille's durability.

Edit: Oh, and Zeus send the gods to restrain Achilles after Hera and Hephaestus beat back Sarpedon. Apparently, Achilles was capable of defying destiny and sacking Troy by himself, before the time when Zeus wanted the city to fall.

Originally posted by Ana P
Hercules and I have already settled this debate. Go back to the first page.

I don't want to go over this again.

you said they weren't all they were cracked up to be in the movie.. and indeed, they were... People were terrified of the immortals.. hell the spartans weren't even sure if they could beat them when they first encountered eachother... thankfully for the spartans.. the spartans were just better... that doesn't mean the immortals were poorly trained as your post had implied it to.

Originally posted by jinzin
actually you didn't settle anything with herc on the matter.. when he pointed out the skill of the immortals and that your post seemed to identify the opposite, you ignored the observation completely. 😬

you said they weren't all they were cracked up to be in the movie.. and indeed, they were... People were terrified of the immortals.. hell the spartans weren't even sure if they could beat them when they first encountered eachother... thankfully for the spartans.. the spartans were just better... that doesn't mean the immortals were poorly trained as your post had implied it to.

No I didn't.

Go back and read our conversation from start to finish.

I said...

In history the Immortals weren't all what they were cracked up to be like in the movie. They were arguably well trained but they were actually slaughtered by the Spartans.

If you go by the 300 as they appear in Herodotus' history of the battle, versus Achilles and the Myrmidons as they appear in the Iliad, it's a no-contest match.

The Myrmidons casually curbstomp every single Spartan, without breaking much of a sweat.

Originally posted by Ana P
No I didn't.

Go back and read our conversation from start to finish.

I said...

Why would I do that when one) I already have.
and two) me reading through it again isn't going to make what you said any less wrong. 😐

Actually you did, and you JUST POINTED OUT THAT YOU DID....

so let me get this straight.... when you're a portion of an army that has conquered most of the known world, and no one has yet figured out a way to beat you... you're still not all that you're cracked up to be because some of the worlds greatest warriors defeat you??? 🤨

again, aside from the fact that the movie immortals were ninja orcs and didn't have their wicker shields, the movie DID however portray the emotion that they conveyed to the the greek populace dead on..

Originally posted by jinzin
Why would I do that when one) I already have.
and two) me reading through it again isn't going to make what you said any less wrong. 😐

Actually you did, and you JUST POINTED OUT THAT YOU DID....

so let me get this straight.... when you're a portion of an army that has conquered most of the known world, and no one has yet figured out a way to beat you... you're still not all that you're cracked up to be because some of the worlds greatest warriors defeat you??? 🤨

again, aside from the fact that the movie immortals were ninja orcs and didn't have their wicker shields, the movie DID however portray the emotion that they conveyed to the the greek populace dead on..

Jesus Christ

I said they were well trained but when they went up against the Spartans they didn't fair so well. I did not mean to say they were the worse army in the world.

Listen, I'm not into getting into arguments over stuff like this. If you want a argument don't look for one out of me.

Originally posted by Ana P
Jesus Christ

I said they were well trained but when they went up against the Spartans they didn't fair so well. I did not mean to say they were the worse army in the world.

Listen, I'm not into getting into arguments over stuff like this. If you want a argument don't look for one out of me.

well it's not much of an argument considering there's nothing to debate.

You said what you said, and what you said had implications that were in a word: wrong... nuff said really.

Lord

You completely misunderstood what I was trying to say.

I'll never post here again. I see why some people say the Vs. forum is bad.