top level alpha mutants

Started by capt it up6 pages

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think what Nat is trying to say is that in debates you need logic. Many supporters will say "Wolverine only needs one stab" but that's going off of the "logic" that people die with a stab in a vital organ. It's never happened to a hero in a comic, so why doesn't comic logic apply there? Why do people try bring up fighting skills and ability if "logic" doesn't matter?

that not what he was trying to say in the least I know what he was trying to say, but thanks for giving him a nice excuse to hang too.

any ways most character are done after a stabb they may not die, but they gwet put down.

according to you I guess spiderman being able to lift 15 tons is illogical and should be change or howabout spider sense.

Originally posted by capt it up
that not what he was trying to say in the least I know what he was trying to say, but thanks for giving him a nice excuse to hang too.

No, that wasn't what he was trying to say, but thanks for keeping an argument up out of nowhere.

Originally posted by capt it up
any ways most character are done after a stabb they may not die, but they gwet put down.
But it's never argued that in most instances, one "stab" will do it.

Originally posted by capt it up
according to you I guess spiderman being able to lift 15 tons is illogical and should be change or howabout spider sense.
Nope, not at all. Anyone with any reasonable intelligence knows that logic correlates with all things, and you can still follow suspension of disbelief. I did forget however that most people (about 95%) don't even know what that is, so I won't bother. This isn't a comic book.

Originally posted by bigbran
So, claws don't count for anything these days?
🙂

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, that wasn't what he was trying to say, but thanks for keeping an argument up out of nowhere.

But it's never argued that in most instances, one "stab" will do it.

Nope, not at all. Anyone with any reasonable intelligence knows that logic correlates with all things, and you can still follow suspension of disbelief. I did forget however that most people (about 95%) don't even know what that is, so I won't bother. This isn't a comic book.


you are saying spidersense is fine, but wolverines healing factor is not? Both are illogical.

offtopic with regards to the original topic, which we've heavily derailed from........ I know everyone hates these kind of websites, but their classification of Alpha-Zeta level makes alot of sense.

http://marveldatabase.com/Mutant

ALPHA

Alpha mutants have powerful, advantageous mutant traits and no disadvantageous flaws. Perhaps the most feared of mutants, alphas look completely human yet have some of the most powerful abilities recorded. Common belief is that Homo Superior will eventually be formed by all alphas, and therefore alphas are the epitome of mutantkind. Currently it is estimated less than 10% of all mutants are alphas, although given they look human the percentage might be somewhat greater. (Examples of alphas would include Cyclops, Storm, Apocalypse, Gambit, Sunfire, Polaris, Magneto, Mikhail Rasputin, Bishop, Professor X, Psylocke, Havok, Wolverine, Cable and Emma Frost, perfectly human-looking yet having powerful super-abilities.)
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BETA

Betas are not weaker than alphas in what power regards, but they are not perfect. Along their advantageous mutations they have minor flaws, sometimes merely cosmetic, but that hinders them in some significant way. It is believed about 10% of all mutants are betas. (Examples of betas would include Angel, Beast, and Nightcrawler.)

GAMMA

Gammas are also powerful mutants, having some impressive gifts, but along with those powers they also have major flaws that make their lives hard, often miserable, and many times, shortened. Roughly 10% of all mutants are gammas, and they are usually easy to recognize, as they are often saddled with important physical defects. (Examples of gammas would be Marrow, Emplate and Maggott.)

DELTA

Delta mutants lack the impressive powers of alphas, but share their lack of flaws. Deltas are mutants with small abilities of little use under most circumstances. The number of deltas in the world is unknown, but it is assumed they are at least 50% of all mutants, and the number could be far greater because a good number of deltas don't even know they are mutants. (Examples of deltas would include characters like Cypher, Domino, and Callisto.)
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EPSILON-DELTA

Epsilon-Deltas are mutants who have abilities that are for all purposes latent they dont commonly manifest their powers at all or only under cetain circumstances (i.e. outside influence, trauma, etc.). Though it is highly uncommon for their powers to ever activate at all. Further the classification also includes those whose powers are only activated by physical contact with someone of the same genetic template, commonly siblings, though not limited to that particular familial bond. (Examples would be Joey Bailey, Gailyn Bailey)

EPSILON

Epsilons are the unfortunate ones among Homo Superiors. Epsilons often have minor superhuman traits, but those are overshadowed by crippling major flaws that makes a normal life for them almost completely impossible. It is believed about 20% of all mutants are epsilons, but often is very difficult to distinguish them from gammas. (Examples would be Beak, Tar Baby and Wither)

ZETA

Zetas are not Homo Superior. Zetas are mutants without the X-Factor, and therefore they have no superhuman traits, although some of them (very, very few) have some minor advantages over normal humans. The bulk of the Zetas, however, are victims of their own mutations and in other times would have been relegated to the status of circus freaks. Nowadays, however, zetas are pretty much in the same boat epsilons are, and sometimes form communities with them.

OMEGA

Omega mutants are a certain powerful class of super-powered individuals in the universe to indicate mutants with the ability (or potential) to exist beyond the boundaries of physical existence. Immortality is also a possibility, but not a requirement. Being able to control matter and energy on the sub-molecular scale also seems to be a requirement.

It is speculated that omega implies unlimited and ultimate potential. It is said that humanity sees the result of experiments the Celestials carried out on early lifeforms, on behalf of the abstract entities of the Marvel Universe (Eternity, Death, and so forth). The reason for these experiments was to ensure that a race of beings would eventually evolve that would surpass and in turn replace all of the Abstracts. This would bring about the end of the universe. By creating humanity the Abstracts are ensuring that the cycle of life continues to revolve. This final state of evolution is Phoenix, believed to be what all humanity will eventually become. If this is the same as the "Destiny Force" that the Supreme Intelligence of Kree claims the humanity has the evolutionary potential to reach, is uncertain. Jean Grey is the only person to become the Phoenix; her mutation is referred to as the "ultimate mutation" as a result. Those with omega (the last) potential are the ones closest to reaching this final stage of evolution. Whether their potential results in they themselves turning into Phoenixes (like Jean Grey and Quentin Quire have) or their descendants doing so, within Omega-level mutants lies the potential to bring about the end. Currently the number of Omega-level mutants are small and found only among those mutants already Alpha-level. The group includes officially (Elixir, Iceman, Phoenix, Mister M, Franklin Richards, Quentin Quire, Marvel Girl, Mister Immortal, Chamber & Vulcan)

The rest of the article talks about a kind of synergy, how mutants are drawn to one another, and relatives being resistant to similar mutations from their fellow mutant family members.

Originally posted by capt it up
you are saying spidersense is fine, but wolverines healing factor is not? Both are illogical.
I've said nothing, all you do is jump to conclusions. I was simply talking about staying consistent in a logical debate (this had nothing to do with a specific character necessarily), and you as usual, bring up Spiderman. I know I'll never get proof to what you just said I said, but I'll get an excuse.

Go point out where I said that Spidersense was logical, and healing factor was not, because you are making great connections and you are falling short on them.,

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I've said nothing, all you do is jump to conclusions. I was simply talking about staying consistent in a logical debate (this had nothing to do with a specific character necessarily), and you as usual, bring up Spiderman. I know I'll never get proof to what you just said I said, but I'll get an excuse.

Go point out where I said that Spidersense was logical, and healing factor was not, because you are making great connections and you are falling short on them.,

then what was your point of the comment?

the kid I was argueing was saying logans powers are illogical and should not be allowed and kept whining about them. I stated they were no more illogical then any other character. what was your point in responding? was there a point?

Maybe you should ask yourself that since you responded to me out of nowhere and pretty much attacked me for no reason. 😬

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Maybe you should ask yourself that since you responded to me out of nowhere and pretty much attacked me for no reason. 😬

you responded first and it was an insult at nat not you. I did not mean it in a serous tone. I ment you were now giving nat. a good excuse to use for being so bias as to use logic for one character, but not another.

I didn't respond to you, I was clarifying what I saw, you quoted me and acted like I was supporting him out of some hatred or dislike. It'll be easier just to admit it so we can let it go.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I didn't respond to you, I was clarifying what I saw, you quoted me and acted like I was supporting him out of some hatred or dislike. It'll be easier just to admit it so we can let it go.

my quote was not ment to be that way I am sorry if you read it that way. I forgett that emotions are not shown through typing I should have add a smily face.

im sure that alan moore just never gotten around to slapping a label on MJJ but im sure he's got to be omega. marvel still hasnt decided whether or not they want to make storm an omega but she's pretty damn close, so as of now the way i see it Exodus, magneto, and storm are the most powerful alphas out there right now. i might even want to throw apocalypse a bone too

Storm? She's high up, but definitely not a top alpha IMO. She doesn't have the durability and alot of her feats are highly questionable. thank you for putting Apoc in there though. 👆

storm can do some crazy shit like actaully destrioy the world. It was stated she can controll the line of all the weathe rof the planet though it does a lot of damage to her body she is amazingly powerful

wolverine and sabertooth have some of the best defensive powers in terms of power so does colossus and he ahs the strength.

Originally posted by capt it up
my quote was not ment to be that way I am sorry if you read it that way. I forgett that emotions are not shown through typing I should have add a smily face.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....

Originally posted by capt it up
storm can do some crazy shit like actaully destrioy the world.

Wha? I have no doubts she can mess up the world but I have many about her physically destroying it.

I was under the impression an Omega mutant, was one who could survive having their body totally and utterly destroyed, i.e. their meta physical consciousness is seperate totally seperate to the physical attributes of the body. Based on that i'd say the following are Omega;

Vulcan
Xavier
Iceman
Phoenix
Rachel
Cable
Stryffe

e.t.c.

I dont really read the X-men books so I maybe wrong. 🙂

Although this kind os suggests im right !

Omega mutants are a certain powerful class of super-powered individuals in the universe to indicate mutants with the ability (or potential) to exist beyond the boundaries of physical existence. Immortality is also a possibility, but not a requirement. Being able to control matter and energy on the sub-molecular scale also seems to be a requirement.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Wha? I have no doubts she can mess up the world but I have many about her physically destroying it.

ya if im not msitaken she was stated in an new x-men issue to be able to destroy the world I forgett how though.

Originally posted by capt it up
ya if im not msitaken she was stated in an new x-men issue to be able to destroy the world I forgett how though.

Whose this you are talking about ? 🙂

Originally posted by Donkey Punch
Whose this you are talking about ? 🙂

storm