The Fire Empire

Originally posted by Strangelove
Your original rule #4.Enjoy lying much? yawn

I lied?

Where is retialite? Did I not say it said DEFENDING yourself?

It seems you're picking favorites YET again. Not surprised yet again.

I agree that the cult thing is a bit far-fetched. And elitism isn't the right word. I apologize. TFT was a clique. And I for one, despise cliques.

However, there is the point that TFT was a 'clique' with an secret agenda (no matter how innocent said agenda was). And you are incorrect when you said that people could ask for invitations. That was only after you changed the rules. A revised set of rules does not strike the originals from the record. The original rules were that people could only be invited. Proof: the second post from TFT's thread.

Actually, you must be invited into the Frozen Templars. There is a lot more to it than debating and socializing, but you'll learn more later on when time is spent participating in the group.

But what my entire point boils down to is that TFT, no matter how well-intentioned it was (if indeed it was), created an atmosphere on exclusion and exclusivity, which inevitably led to hostility and divisiveness on the forum.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I lied?

Where is retialite? Did I not say it said DEFENDING yourself?

It seems you're picking favorites YET again. Not surprised yet again.

Rule #4: Do not randomly attack people or threads. If someone is quick to attack you, do not hesitate to defend yourself.

Overruled by the KMC Forum Guidelines & Rules. If you fight fire with fire, then you' ll get burned as well.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I agree that the cult thing is a bit far-fetched. And elitism isn't the right word. I apologize. TFT was a clique. And I for one, despise cliques.

I'm really sorry to inform you that you're incorrect again, and I cannot believe I must go over this again.

CLIQUE

"A clique is an informal and restricted social group formed by people who share common interests (formal social groups are referred to as societies or organizations)."

Informal? No. Restricted? No. Common interests? NO!

We all shared different interests and I explained why it was not restricted (I will go through it again, if needed.)

TFT was defined as a SOCIAL GROUP. That's it.

However, there is the point that TFT was a 'clique' with an secret agenda (no matter how innocent said agenda was). And you are incorrect when you said that people could ask for invitations. That was only after you changed the rules. A revised set of rules does not strike the originals from the record. The original rules were that people could only be invited. Proof: the second post from TFT's thread.

You know what sucks? Being wrong more than twice.

I'll break this down for you even more.

TFT started as an Invite-only group. During that time, AS I STATED MANY TIMES IN THIS THREAD AND OTHERS RELEVANT TO TFT, people could ASK for invites.

When I revealed TFT's ideas, I mentioned it was OPEN FOR JOINING. People were asking for invites and GETTING THEM when TFT was first born.

It's not cool being uninformed, Strangelove.

But what my entire point boils down to is that TFT, no matter how well-intentioned it was (if indeed it was), created an atmosphere on exclusion and exclusivity, which inevitably led to hostility and divisiveness on the forum.

I told my members AND EVEN OTHERS ON THE FORUM the motives would be revealed in the near future or a day or two after it was born. I just wanted to get TFT settled before I hit them with that and that is why only certain members knew. Members basically got mad because they didn't like that they were ignorant to that cause, even though it was temporary and my cause did get revealed. Even THEN it got bashed and insulted, which I'd enjoy to see you excuse.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I'm really sorry to inform you that you're incorrect again, and I cannot believe I must go over this again.

[b]CLIQUE

"A clique is an informal and restricted social group formed by people who share common interests (formal social groups are referred to as societies or organizations)."

Informal? No. Restricted? No. Common interests? NO!

We all shared different interests and I explained why it was not restricted (I will go through it again, if needed.)

TFT was defined as a SOCIAL GROUP. That's it.

You know what sucks? Being wrong more than twice.

I'll break this down for you even more.

TFT started as an Invite-only group. During that time, AS I STATED MANY TIMES IN THIS THREAD AND OTHERS RELEVANT TO TFT, people could ASK for invites.

When I revealed TFT's ideas, I mentioned it was OPEN FOR JOINING. People were asking for invites and GETTING THEM when TFT was first born.

It's not cool being uninformed, Strangelove.

I told my members AND EVEN OTHERS ON THE FORUM the motives would be revealed in the near future or a day or two after it was born. I just wanted to get TFT settled before I hit them with that and that is why only certain members knew. Members basically got mad because they didn't like that they were ignorant to that cause, even though it was temporary and my cause did get revealed. Even THEN it got bashed and insulted, which I'd enjoy to see you excuse. [/B]

Good day, sir

Originally posted by Strangelove
yawn As I said, nothing would get solved. I think that TFT was a spectacularly boneheaded move. You disagree. I think we should leave it at that.

Good day, sir

Likewise.

Seraphim, I would suggest you create your own forum completely from scratch. If you have the time to do it, of course. You clearly have the incentive ✅

How is this any different then Le crew?

Do you read things before you post? le Crew is just a subtle group made up of only 6 people here, who don't advertise themselves as a group. The reason anyone knows about le Crew is because everyone else goes on and on about its existence.

Still, I see nothing wrong with ethier group. As I said before there are quite allot of these groups on KMC.

✅ You're stating the obvious. The differences between said groups are subtle, but some work for not so obvious reasons. Such as the members not being a part of it for the elitism or status.

😂 but it is funny, it's just an online messege board. And we live in free society that allows people to gather as they wish. They don't require the full permission of KMC to set a group up. Just that of the mods.

I don't think permission is required at all, if the creator and participants adhere to the basic forum policies. TFT didn't seem to do that, le Crew does. There's your difference shrug

I don't think they broke any rules. As Starhawk called me out on, I may have over-reacted myself to the whole TFT thing.

No, TFT didn't adhere to the basic form policies right from the offset. I don't mean any particular individuals broke the rules, just that the group as a whole entertained concepts that went against the KMC grain. They were pulled up on it, which generated some hostility immediately and then the group went down in flames. It's a shame in a sense because it could have been a progressive group if it hadn't been so obviously fat-headed 😂

😂 polices aren't rules. Their thread was closed because there was so much fighting. As long as they aren't breaking any rules, I see no problem with them.

Where did I say policies were rules? I said;

Originally posted by Syren
I don't mean any particular individuals broke the rules, just that the group as a whole entertained concepts that went against the KMC grain.

There was fighting because TFT appeared to stand for everything that KMC does not appreciate. Elitism, deceit and secrecy, ostracising members for no reason other than popularity and status, etc. Hence the reason it went down so quickly, by posing as the perfect group and idealising itself when, in fact, it was the very antithesis of all that KMC stands for as a community, as a whole.

Still, if someone protests something you like. It may annoy you, but it isn't against the law. hence you just have to grind your teeth and bear it. It's the same on KMC. If someone makes a group you don't like just ignore them.

Each to their own, I certainly believe in freedom of opinion and speech, especially in an environment geared almost entirely towards sharing ideas and thoughts on whatever. Thing is, every board I've ever been on has some kind of forum policy that should be adhered to in order to avoid chaos. KMC's regulations can at times seem a little restrictive, and at others they're not half as strict as they should be. With TFT, as I said above, the definition of the group had potential but it was the way it was presented once things got going that killed it. I joined, actually requested membership, because I thought it looked good. But then the underlying attitude seeped out and things went wrong.

I think we're going round in circles here, what was the initial point? 😂

😂 I'm not totally sure. One thing I have learned in my time here is it's better to take a relaxed attitude towards the forum. Besides I'm in the best mood today I have been in since longer then I can remember!!! 😎