I wonder if those who disliked the joke pictures would be offended by this part of the "Postal" movie..
Originally posted by Korosan
No offense but even if the goverenment's theory sucks, I think it can fool more people than the deathstar . I mean a lot of people believe it, however if the government said Osama built a deathstar and shot the twin towers...well...I would pick option "terrorists that hate america did it" lol. Idk, I WANT to not believe the government is lying about it, and because of that reason I did research as well. I don't think the government was behind the attacks, however I think they may be keeping some information about it secret. WHat that info could be I have no idea, but there are definitely too many unexplained points for the governments explanation to be 100% true.Im not some idiot who believes everything the government says. A good point earlier in this thread was about the planes, why military aircraft didn't shoot them down. I believe yes, the military aircraft should have been up there when it wasn't. However, given the amount of information they had about the planes, Im not sure they would have killed civillians. Look at it this way, they might ASSUME the plane has been hijacked but they don't know for sure, and while civilians might be calling their families telling them the plane has been hijacked, theres no way the military could know at that moment. If they shot down a plane that MIGHT have been hijacked, they will most likely kill all civilians on board, the hijackers, and anyone who could have confirmed the hijacking, along with anyone on the ground in the path of the crash. too many "Ifs" and "whats" for the military to get the go ahead to shoot down the plane.
HEH HEH.No offense taken.err I thought I was being pretty clear there with the smileys that I was exaggerating there when i said that the death stars theory is more believeable than the governments? 😄 The thing is though on the SURFACE it IS believable,but as I pointed out,the more and more you study the facts like the protocals the military has in place for things such as this,the more and more you find out that their theory is as big of a joke .
so yeah between those two choices,I wouldnt blame you at all for picking terrorists. 😉 but theres all kinds of books out there that prove it was an inside job which most people here dont want to read such as sweersa and xyz because they know deep down its the truth and they cant counter it and that scares them.so they just go off and insult you and dont even bother to address your points."something that other than your uncalled for capitalization remarks a while back on that other thread,YOU have stayed away from."
Please dont do that anymore in the future and continue with mature posts like this as well.I would greatly appreciate it especially since its hard to find anybody here that when proven wrong,can be mature and civil about it in a discussion like this.This is a refreashing change for me to find a poster like you in the conspiracy section who unlike xyz and sweersa,is capable of being mature about this.
Unlike sweersa and xyz,I can respect YOU as a poster because you at least appear to be open minded and capable of admitting it when you are wrong about something.You hang out here long enough,you'll find out that Lord xyz is just a troll who goes around trolling making threads about how there were not bombs that went off in the towers.His sources are jokes.Like those two threads he made which consist of two idiot high school kids who are on crack he uses as references. 😆 The thing that proves xyz is just trolling here posting about 9-11 and bombs not going off is how he constantly ignores facts and can never admit it when he has been proven wrong.
You hang out here long enough,you'll find out like Bicnarick, and chithappens are now finding out,that he is the most irrational poster you'll ever find in this section,something me and firebird and Deano have known for years.The best thing to do is just put him on your ignore list because he constantly ignores facts that prove him wrong because he is too pigheaded and arrogant to admit it when he has been proven wrong.Proof in that is he NEVER reads books you challenge him to that prove him wrong,and uses these bogus internet links for his sources. 🙄
He ignores facts such as there are thousands of engineers and demolition experts out there in the truth movement because they know that those towers could NEVER have come STRAIGHT DOWN in the same freefall manner that buidings so when explosives are used.He ignores facts you give him that scientists for hundreds of thousands of years have gone by that the UPPER SOUTH TOWER "SHOULD" have continued to tilt sideways and fallen over sideways like the videos show it inititally doing
You can see in the live video taken that the antenna starts to tilt sideways and by the laws of gravity that again scientists have gone by for thousands of years,the tower SHOULD have continued to tilt sideways and fallen sideways like it started out to instead of coming back into the center of the building and collapsing.to HIS logic,someone jumping out of an airplane,should be able to reverse their direction after falling straight down,and go back upwards to the plane. 🙄 😆 😆 Its no different,in both cases,you are ignoreing the rules of gravity that scientisits have gone by for thousands of years.
Not only that,he ignores facts you give him that there have been witnesses that have gone to these 9-11 truth movements saying they have had death threats given to thier familys to shut up about bombs being in the towers.You hang out here long enough,you'l see the obvious that he isnt interested in the truth,that he is just trolling here to get reactions out of people.
Now with sweersa,he's not a troll like xyz.He's just afraid of the truth.thats obvious wouldnt you say the way he he didnt even bother to address many of my points on kennedy and 9-11 and didnt even say he would take the time to read the book I referred him to which I listed as my source? 🙄 thats again why I lost respect for xyz years ago because he never takes you up on a challenge when you tell him to read a book that proves what you are saying to be true from credible people in their fields.He uses these laughable and unproven INTERNET SOURCES to back up his laughable claims such as debunking 911 theorys or whatever which many people have debunked for years.
The other thing Korosan about xyz which proves XYZ is just trolling here
and has no interest in the truth is just take a look at that clinton thread.Like the kennedy assassination,I have done years of research on clinton as well.I have read dozens of books about him over those years
.Until Bush Jr came along,Clinton was the most evil corrupted president of all time.XYZ uses these laughable unproven INTERNET SOURCES sources he goes by to desperately try and convince me that clinton isnt evil and corrupted.
He ignores facts you give him that several people resigned disgustedly in his administration because 3 different countrys offered to hand Osama Bin Laden over on a platter with the opportunity to capture him and clinton had no interest in him.He told the military to leave him alone.
This was all over the news back then when this happened.People in the military came forward and said that clinton told him to let him go.It showed them broadcasting this them saying this.They only played it once and never showed it again.thats the way the mainstream press operates,they will play something newsworthy and important like that ONCE and if you dont record it,your screwed.
Fortunately there are honest independent newspeople out there who were there to cover that story and thats how people know about it.even a an interent guy here I dont care for named J Beoulf has tried to tell him that but he just ignores him.pretty pitiful.
He also ignores facts that there are several people who knew about clintons scandals while he was governor of arkansas that have all died under very mysterious deaths.He laughs about it because he knows its true and cant counter it.he'll come on here and post some pitiful INTERNET LINK as always instead of doing what i do which is refer people to a book written by someone who actually has the documentation to prove his sources are true because they served under his administration and even testified about it before congress.Just do a google search called THE CLINTON BODY COUNT and you will see what i mean.Not since the kennedy assassination have so many people connected to an event or person like clinton,died because they knew too much about that persons scandals.
He ignores facts that there were like 10 arkansas state troopers flown into washington once to testify before congress because they had been granted immunity to do so of deaths that clinton was behind but congress never called them into testify because if you know anything about congress,their all crooks and corrupted because they have been payed off.Me and you both know that presidents can get awya with anything right? thats just common knowledge.
See he has this moronic belief that you cant go wrong voting for the democrats and because Clinton has disproved that by all these scandals that xyz wants deperately not to believe he is involved in,because there is documented proof of this and thats a known fact because like i said,countless numbers of people in his administrarion resigned -even more so than in the nixon admiinstration because of how corrupt they were findoing out Clinton was.They have written books about it how clinton belongs behind bars.Yet XYZ is so afraid of the truth about that,that he lives in this fantasy world that clinton was a good president.LOL.pretty pitiful.
See he has this long held moronic belief that you cant go wrong voting for the democrats.LOL.
He is just the same way about democrats as my aunt it about republicans.MY aunt she is such a die hard loyal republican that anytime i talk to her about how evil and corrupted clinton is,she listens to me and knows I am telling the truth about him and acknowledges that,but when i try and tell her that Bush is evil and corrupted and he knew 9-11 would happen,it just goes through one ear and out the other with her because again,she is a die hard epublican and doesnt want to hear anything negative about Bush.
Shes not objective at all about Bush.well XYZ is the same way with Clinton.He is not objective about clinton and constantly ignores facts about him like my aunt does about Bush. Because its an uncomforatable feeling for him to admit his long held beliefs that you cant go wrong voting for the democrats is B.S. that there is no difference between the two parties.that they sleep in bed together.
oh and to get to your point about what you were saying earlier.Unlike XYZ and SWEERSA,YOU actually make good points and I can understand your reasoning behind it.as i said before,its a nice refreashing change to see someone on here who is actually open minded about this and doesnt this have this ournt though holy attitude that sweersa and especially xzy have of-Im right and everybody else is wrong crap they sprout off.
Nice to see YOU are at least considering my point of view that differs from the government instead of coming on here with this arrogant ournt though holy attitude-Im right everybody else is wrong that xzy and sweersa have.excuse me,they really need to be called ONE WAY SWEERSA AND ONE WAY LORD XYZ.thats thier attitide ONE WAY,dont consider the other side of the coin. 🙄
Like i said,you bring up good points and Im glad to see your being objective about this all and openminded as I mentioned before.the thing is,the governments version doesnt even come close to being even 50% right.The thing you will find when you dwelve into this enough is that all normal procedures the FAA AND military routinely follows everyday everyday of the year,was NOT followed that day.so you got to ask yourself why if this was just a matter of incompetence,why werent anybody fired like they should have been? there should have been multiple heads rolling.
it follows the same pattern of the kennedy assassination where there should have been multiple people fired that day from the military to the police officers and secret service men for doing such an incompetent job yet in BOTH cases,nobody was fired instead there were promotions.so you study it enough,you'll come to the conclusion eventually that it wasnt just a matter of incompetence.it could only have happened if it were an inside job.Im glad to see that your not close minded about this like sweersa and xy z though.Your open minded enough to see that there is something wrong going on with the governments investigation,that theres something not right with it, and thats a refreshing change around here. 🙂
Originally posted by lord xyz
Iran Airflight 655?
That flight was unfortunately mistaked as an attacking military fighter. And it was non-American.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
oh and to get to your point about what you were saying earlier.Unlike XYZ and SWEERSA,YOU actually make good points and I can understand your reasoning behind it.as i said before,its a nice refreashing change to see someone on here who is actually open minded about this and doesnt this have this ournt though holy attitude that sweersa and especially xzy have of-Im right and everybody else is wrong crap they sprout off.Nice to see YOU are at least considering my point of view that differs from the government instead of coming on here with this arrogant ournt though holy attitude-Im right everybody else is wrong that xzy and sweersa have.excuse me,they really need to be called ONE WAY SWEERSA AND ONE WAY LORD XYZ.thats thier attitide ONE WAY,dont consider the other side of the coin. 🙄
Like i said,you bring up good points and Im glad to see your being objective about this all and openminded as I mentioned before.the thing is,the governments version doesnt even come close to being even 50% right.The thing you will find when you dwelve into this enough is that all normal procedures the FAA AND military routinely follows everyday everyday of the year,was NOT followed that day.so you got to ask yourself why if this was just a matter of incompetence,why werent anybody fired like they should have been? there should have been multiple heads rolling.
it follows the same pattern of the kennedy assassination where there should have been multiple people fired that day from the military to the police officers and secret service men for doing such an incompetent job yet in BOTH cases,nobody was fired instead there were promotions.so you study it enough,you'll come to the conclusion eventually that it wasnt just a matter of incompetence.it could only have happened if it were an inside job.Im glad to see that your not close minded about this like sweersa and xy z though.Your open minded enough to see that there is something wrong going on with the governments investigation,that theres something not right with it, and thats a refreshing change around here. 🙂
What a cry baby. Talk about arse kissing to that other guy. You call myself and xyz closed minded becuase we don't agree with your very unpopular theories. Face it man, if what you believe is true it would be leaking all over everywhere, not just on some fake news sites or made up ebooks.
A huge majority disagrees with you. Face it. No one will reason with a kid who thinks the US government actually set up 9/11 and an attack on its own central facility/ (the pentagon) LOL. Say it out loud and have a good laugh.
Don't even talk about trolling Mr. Parker, I remember all of thoes topics you started in the Spider-Man forums, and all thoes messages you send to people about your crazy Man-Spider thing...and your often double or tripple posts with HUGE paragraphs of shhtuff.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Oh come on, any thinking person can see that something wasn´t right with the governments story. Theres so many things that don´t fit.
you got that right,any rational and thinking person could see that it was an inside job.the other thing korosan that I wanted to mention was if it wasnt an inside job,then why wasnt there multiple firings by NORAD of people?there should have been many heads rolling for that total incompetence.
Instead as to this date,there has never been any firings of anybody.instead they got promotions for it.Lets see,the worst incompetence in the history of the united states since the kennedy asssassination occurs,theres no firings of anybody,instead we get promotions of people for their incompetence.doesnt take a genius to see it was an inside job.now people like sweersa ,are too afraid of the truth to take off the blinders to see the obvious though of course. 🙄
also something else the media didnt report in the mainstream press is that the military has in place a sysytem where they can detect if an aircraft is coming near them,if its friendly or hostile to know to engage in shooting it down.can you reasonably say that the most advanced military technology in the wrold could not have been up there with all that time they had when they KNEW they were under attack to have been on alert to not scramble jets up there to intercept the aircraft? I think not
the OTHER thing you got to remember is the FAA traffic controllers were so amazed by the manuvers the so called JET AIRLINER was making,they thought it was an advanced military aircraft because an ordinary jet airliner cant make those kinds of amazing manuvers in the air they say it did.also,I was also at a 9-11 meeting the other day,and guess what?
I met someone there who used to work for the airlines and was a traffic controller and the thing that got her insterested in this was she said that was the most important duty she had as a traffic controller was to alert her staff if an airliner strayed off course IMMEDIATELY.that they had fighters in place ready to intercept them if they did not respond.she was saying thats what got her interested was those normal procedures were not followed that day.payne stewart,the golfer,when his pilot passed out from a heart attack and the plane strayed off course,they had fighters up within 10 minutes to intercept it.yet those normal procedures were not followed that day.
I mean it gets to a point where normal everyday routine procedures that the military and the FAA are suppose to follow that were NOT followed that day,that the coincidences become so redicules,that they dont become coincidences anymore.they call the people such as me and bicnarick who dont believe their official version,conspiracy theorists,the thing thats laughable about it,is that label applies to them more so because they go by wild theorys instead of facts and have a conspiracy THEORY that muslins were behind it all.or another thing I like to say is if were the conspiracy theorists,well then they are the coincidence theorists. Hey if you REALLY have an interest in this case,this is what you should do to prove your interested inthe truth-unlike xzy and sweersa,check out thse two books at the library.INSIDE JOB by Jim Marrs and 9/11 the new pearl harbour.disturbing questions about the Bush administration.
Those are a couple of really great books to read for someone such as yourself who is a beginner and just getting started into this.They are both only like 200 pages long so they wont take long at all to read.I always refer people who are just getting started into this like i was back in 2002 when i started doubting the version thanks to a friend of mine,and that was the first one I read was INSIDE JOB because its such a short book only being 200 pages long,a quick and easy book to read. 🙂
ANOTHER really good thing to do is go to www.infowars.com and www.prisonplanet.com.especially infowars.go to the bottom right hand section there called 9-11 prior knowledge.it has documented proof of warnings given by other foreign governments to Bush that there were going to be terrorists attacks against that towers that he totally ignored and even threatened FBI agents with arrest if they tried to stop it.That site is a great tremoundous resource to get material from.theres a lot of documentary videos you can order from there as well. 🙂
I´m not a beginner🙂
The very moment I saw these events on TV I knew something wasn´t right, it was SOOoo obvious. Ive seen all the videos read numerous books on this and other subjects.
I just don´t jump in and believe every weird and wonderful idea people come up with, theres stuff out there which has been put out to ridicule the real issues.
Like the "No planes" idea where cruise missiles projecting holograms were claimed to have been used. Not saying it wasn´t the case but its very doubtfull.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I´m not a beginner🙂
The very moment I saw these events on TV I knew something wasn´t right, it was SOOoo obvious. Ive seen all the videos read numerous books on this and other subjects.I just don´t jump in and believe every weird and wonderful idea people come up with, theres stuff out there which has been put out to ridicule the real issues.
Like the "No planes" idea where cruise missiles projecting holograms were claimed to have been used. Not saying it wasn´t the case but its very doubtfull.
Well yeah I know YOUR not a beginner.I was just listing those two books for Korosan to read because it sounds like HE is a beginner into this and unlike xyz or sweersa,seems open minded about things and doesn't seem to have their our't thou holy arrogant attitude that xyz and sweersa possess which is IM RIGHT,EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG arrogance attitude they have and wont even consider looking into a source that proves them wrong.Korosan seems open minded about wanting to learn at least.as i said,its a nice refreshing change to see someone like him come on here instead of the usual people like xyz and sweersa who constantly ignore facts because their afraid of the truth obviously.
Korosan at least makes reasonable and well thought out posts.more and more people are waking up to this that it was an inside job all the time because more and more people like korosan every year are sensing that theres something not right with the official explanation given by the government and the COINCIDENCE THEORISTS -people in the government and mainstream media.
btw,have you read those two books I mentioned INSIDE JOB by Jim Marrs and THE NEW PEARL HARBOUR.disturbing questions about the bush administration and 9/11? by David Ray Griffith? or how about griffiths latest and greatest that came out this year called- DEBUNKING 9/11 DEBUNKING, an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official conspiracy theory? that one is MUST READ if you havent read it.it totally proves the official version is a bunch of lies and coverups and of course proves xyz's fairy tale that bombs didnt go off in the towers are false as well. 😄
so HAVE you read these books? Because of how I knew the CIA was behind the kennedy assassination and how they brainwashed the world including me with lies and propaganda that oswald was the lone assassin for so many years,I had my suspecions from the very beginning that it was an inside job by the government to get us into another fake and phony war as well just like they did with kennedy.
Plus it seemed to follow the same pattern of the kennedy assassination.within just a day,they automatically seemed so sure of exactly just who was behind it all so quickly.that was the red flag to me something wasnt right with what they were telling us that muslims somehow were able to use just box cutters to hijack a plane and get away with it.Right then when I heard that,I knew it had to be a government inside job.and then when I saw all these videos out there online where demolition experts were saying those buildings could only have came straight down like that in such a freefall manner due only to explosives,that was the final nail in the coffin for me that it was an inside job.sorry but I will listen to what demolition experts say than the moronic sources xyz uses as sources,"a couple of high school kids on crack" anyday of the year.LOL.
Jim Marrs who wrote INSIDE JOB is super intelligent. He also wrote the book CROSSFIRE. THE PLOT TO KILL KENNEDY.which oliver stone based his movie JFK on.I have read like over 60 books on the kennedy assassination-still would be if not for 9/11 because it was the worst tragedy ever until 9/11 came along.and I understand why stone used that book for the basis of his film because it is the most through and best researched book on the case I have ever read out there and I have read a lot of good ones.
His proof in that book is overwhelming that it was the CIA and an INSIDE JOB on kennedy as well.thats why when I heard about his book covering 9/11 called INSIDE JOB, I was excited to get that book and read it because that book is extremely well researched by him as well.both books have tremoundous amounts of information in them about the tragedys.He was at that 9/11 convention I mentioned and he signed both of my books.He definetely knows his stuff.He knows all about the bush/clinton connection as well and we talked about that.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Here's a little game fore people. Press Ctrl+F and type "xyz". Keep clicking "find next" or "keep searching", then count how many times I am mentioned by Mr. Parker. I got 22...
Haha lol. I tried it with my name, and lost count lol...this Mr. Parker seems like a total mental spammer to me, best not to get into a debate with him. Saves lots of time to avoid irrational people.
He also tries to kiss arse to the people that half way listen to him, what a hack.
Originally posted by sweersaJokes like him inspire me to make a comedy show.
Haha lol. I tried it with my name, and lost count lol...this Mr. Parker seems like a total mental spammer to me, best not to get into a debate with him. Saves lots of time to avoid irrational people.He also tries to kiss arse to the people that half way listen to him, what a hack.