Elizabeth's guilt

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
or did she do it out a selfish impulse....to see what it would be like to be really bad.....to get rid of Jack and the temptation he represents to her........I just wonder?????

In the DMC commentary, TnT brought up that snipped that someone stated.

Elizabeth was drowning her guilt and snaking her lust all at the same time.

And TnT said this was a good statement...maybe this is what the writers had in mind?
(And if im right, then its what willo, lovelyone, lovethemtigers and chiki had been saying for months? lol)

Aw, thanks, T. Maria, but I was more of an advocate of Liz being good and saving the crew rather than eliminating Jack from her life. lol.

I think when LovelyOne first brought up this idea, a lot of people (including myself) didn't like it because it makes Liz out to be this she-devil rather than the (fairly) good person she is. There are so many ways to look at it and it all depends on what you think of Elizabeth Swann.

"It's after you, not the ship. It's not us. This is the only way, don't you see? I'm not sorry."

Hmm. Well, she did see him go off in the longboat while the kraken was going after the Pearl. That is definitely evidence for the slake her lust theory. But no one in these movies is stupid except for maybe Pintel and Ragetti. These people know when they caught a break and when they didn't. Maybe Liz thought lightning wouldn't strike twice and someone would find out it didn't kill Jack and then wherever he went, there the kraken would be. Does that seem possible? Maybe she looked it at as luck rather than kraken-logic?

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Aw, thanks, T. Maria, but I was more of an advocate of Liz being good and saving the crew rather than eliminating Jack from her life. lol.

I think when LovelyOne first brought up this idea, a lot of people (including myself) didn't like it because it makes Liz out to be this she-devil rather than the (fairly) good person she is. There are so many ways to look at it and it all depends on what you think of Elizabeth Swann.

"It's after you, not the ship. It's not us. This is the only way, don't you see? I'm not sorry."

Hmm. Well, she did see him go off in the longboat while the kraken was going after the Pearl. That is definitely evidence for the slake her lust theory. But no one in these movies is stupid except for maybe Pintel and Ragetti. These people know when they caught a break and when they didn't. Maybe Liz thought lightning wouldn't strike twice and someone would find out it didn't kill Jack and then wherever he went, there the kraken would be. Does that seem possible? Maybe she looked it at as luck rather than kraken-logic?

^^^ good theory 😄

See the thing is ... was there any evidence within the film that the crew knew that the kracken was sent after JACK???
or did they assume that the kracken was after the whole ship??

Cause i mean...they either REALLY loved their captain (and I mean REALLY REALLY loved him!) or they really didn't know that the kracken was just after him, and not the rest of them....

and yet...liz figured it out.
Was this because she saw him in the longboat???

Also...those words;

"It's after you, not the ship. It's not us. This is the only way, don't you see? I'm not sorry."

when you read them...it sounds like shes almost saying them to herself...trying to convince herself that this is the right thing to do...

Well, she was the only one to see him sneak away. Jack isn't very open with his crew about what's going on. The only person I can see who could figure it out would be Gibbs, but I think the crew believes the kraken's after the whole ship. Liz knows differently because there's Jack off in the distance.

Counterpoint: Jack is in a long boat with Liz, Norrington, Pintel, and Ragetti going to Isla de Cruces and nothing happens there. That should leave Liz to believe it's after Jack and not the ship, but seeing him go off again would prove that it attacks where it THINKS Jack is.

good point willo 🙂