Orion VS Hercules

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
When Superman realisticly, can fight DS as long as DS and Orion fought, Then I"ll consider Supers being near Orion. Orion doesn't need a strength feat per say when him and Highfather are the only beings I have seen that locked in battle with DS face to face for weeks on end. Orion could just tire Superman out. Clark would run out of juice fighting Orion.

Superman's body continually renews itself of energy. When Ruin depleted Superman of his energy, he was back to full power in a second or less.

I doubt Orion would tire him out.

And also, Orion REALISTICALLY shouldn't be able to do shit to his father.

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman's body continually renews itself of energy. When Ruin depleted Superman of his energy, he was back to full power in a second or less.

I doubt Orion would tire him out.

And also, Orion REALISTICALLY shouldn't be able to do shit to his father.

Actually realisticly he should. It was written into the New Gods that the sons would always become more powerful than the fathers. Orion was UBER in his series. Plus, without the MOther box holding Orion's strength in check, I'd say he really puts Superman down. Anyway, Clark being depleted of Energy is iffy. Clark has been depleted of Energy a couple times and didn't get his power back right away. he once Told Triumpth that depleting his energy would kill him. I dont' think Clark can fight for weeks on End a DS lvl being. At any rate, Orion beats herculese for the solid Majority.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually realisticly he should. It was written into the New Gods that the sons would always become more powerful than the fathers. Orion was UBER in his series. Plus, without the MOther box holding Orion's strength in check, I'd say he really puts Superman down. Anyway, Clark being depleted of Energy is iffy. Clark has been depleted of Energy a couple times and didn't get his power back right away. he once Told Triumpth that depleting his energy would kill him. I dont' think Clark can fight for weeks on End a DS lvl being. At any rate, Orion beats herculese for the solid Majority.

That's Orion in his so called "true form" which is his destiney. That's not the Orion that's portrayed normally. Orion is herald level. He'll be skyfather level eventually, but that's for a different time. That's like me saying Superman in a 100 years vs. somebody else (because he'll continue to get more and more powerful each year he's under our sun.) The Mother Box does NOT keep his strength in check. That's rubbish. It keeps his rage in check.

And to be fair, Triumph is part Imp...

Triumph isn't part imp iirc.

He merely had his wish for powers granted, and thats it.

He didn't show any new power, but was just competent in using them, unlike before.

He's basically Magneto with J'onn level physical stats. That guy should always look dominant against Superman.

And how old is Orion?

Lightray is 350, iirc.
Orion should be somewhere around 600 years old, human time.

Herc is definitely comparable in skill.

See him taking down an enraged Hulk, using skill against a more physically powerful foe.

And its debateable that Herc is weaker than normal Orion.

He and Thor once closed dimensional holes with strength, iirc.

And lets not bring up lead holding Orion captive, and this recently. Both have low showings to offset the high ends.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Triumph isn't part imp iirc.

He merely had his wish for powers granted, and thats it.

He didn't show any new power, but was just competent in using them, unlike before.

He's basically Magneto with J'onn level physical stats. That guy should always look dominant against Superman.

And how old is Orion?

Lightray is 350, iirc.
Orion should be somewhere around 600 years old, human time.

Herc is definitely comparable in skill.

See him taking down an enraged Hulk, using skill against a more physically powerful foe.

And its debateable that Herc is weaker than normal Orion.

He and Thor once closed dimensional holes with strength, iirc.

And lets not bring up lead holding Orion captive, and this recently. Both have low showings to offset the high ends.

He was under the influence of Thunderbolt iirc.

And that feat was bullshit anway, because siphoning energy away from Supes shouldn't kill him. He's shown that he can quickly absorb more energy to become fully powered again.

Perhaps, but anyone who can possibly take energy away from Superman, could likely block the energy from replenishing Superman as well.

If i had Dr.Lights powerset, i'd own Superman.
If i had Magnetos powerset, i'd own Superman.

If i had Magnetos powerset, on top of Wonderman level stats, i'd eat Superman for breakfast.

And other villains have taken down Superman.

I remember a pic of either Dr.Light or Polaris female vers, bending the light away from Superman, and saying she could cut off his ability to enjoy those solar shakes, and give him his own nuclear winter, effectivly depowering him.

Its not like it'd be exactly hard.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Triumph isn't part imp iirc.

He merely had his wish for powers granted, and thats it.

He didn't show any new power, but was just competent in using them, unlike before.

He's basically Magneto with J'onn level physical stats. That guy should always look dominant against Superman.

And how old is Orion?

Lightray is 350, iirc.
Orion should be somewhere around 600 years old, human time.

Herc is definitely comparable in skill.

See him taking down an enraged Hulk, using skill against a more physically powerful foe.

And its debateable that Herc is weaker than normal Orion.

He and Thor once closed dimensional holes with strength, iirc.

And lets not bring up lead holding Orion captive, and this recently. Both have low showings to offset the high ends.

Orion FTW.

Originally posted by batdude123
You also realize that Superman knows martial arts too, right champ?

And I haven't seen Orion do something comparable to what Supes did in the WWIII story arc.

And Orion should take this quite handily. As mentioned before, he's held his own against a sun-dipped Superman and even beat one of the most skilled fighters in ther universe in pure H2H. Hercules will hard-pressed to match that track record.

I'd say Hercules. But he if his pride falls into the way he can easily loose. That's some problem of Herc's he can be overconfident and let himself open for attacks.

Originally posted by Accel
Just about every one who fights crime now knows some martial arts, but I wouldn't put Superman's skill near Orion's skill.

And Orion should take this quite handily. As mentioned before, he's held his own against a sun-dipped Superman and even beat one of the most skilled fighters in ther universe in pure H2H. Hercules will hard-pressed to match that track record.

He held his own against a sun amped superman, not sundipped. Superman was more powerful than usual, true but he wasn't dipped.

Orion ftw.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Perhaps, but anyone who can possibly take energy away from Superman, could likely block the energy from replenishing Superman as well.

If i had Dr.Lights powerset, i'd own Superman.
If i had Magnetos powerset, i'd own Superman.

If i had Magnetos powerset, on top of Wonderman level stats, i'd eat Superman for breakfast.

And other villains have taken down Superman.

I remember a pic of either Dr.Light or Polaris female vers, bending the light away from Superman, and saying she could cut off his ability to enjoy those solar shakes, and give him his own nuclear winter, effectivly depowering him.

Its not like it'd be exactly hard.

Originally posted by batdude123
If you had the powers of Dr. Light or Magneto you'd get your shit stomped, buddy.

I agree, magneto isn't owning Superman at all. Dr. Light may be a different story. Faster, and able to literally turn allt he sun light to red light if he so chooses.

No one with human reaction speed is owning Superman at anything w/ Dr Light or Magneto's powers.

Originally posted by Juntai
No one with human reaction speed is owning Superman at anything w/ Dr Light or Magneto's powers.

Magneto's neural impulses = 1500% faster than a human.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I agree, magneto isn't owning Superman at all. Dr. Light may be a different story. Faster, and able to literally turn allt he sun light to red light if he so chooses.

Dr. Light would take a dirt nap.

Originally posted by batdude123
Dr. Light would take a dirt nap.

I dont' know about that one. DR. light could turn himself into Red Sunlight, Or surround himself with hard light projections and batter Superman. DR. light controlls light and thus has senses that operate on a light speed lvl.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' know about that one. DR. light could turn himself into Red Sunlight, Or surround himself with hard light projections and batter Superman. DR. light controlls light and thus has senses that operate on a light speed lvl.

lol @ Dr. Light having light speed reflexes

PS: Red sun radiation hardly works on Superman anymore.

Originally posted by batdude123
Magneto's neural impulses = 1500% faster than a human.